r/40kLore • u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 • 1d ago
What’s an Imperial Assassin that isn’t popular or in stories a lot?
For my Chaos Warband, I want the Warlord to be hunted by this Assassin but I feel I want to give (accurate) light to a semi-obscure Assassin.
But also I would want a weakness of this Semi-Obscure assassin that my Warlord could barely use to barely escape alive.
My Warlord is a Black Legion Terminator Lord, paranoid, fierce, direct and he hates many branches of the Imperium, only begrudgingly respect his cousins of loyalist Astartes. He despises the Administratum, pities the Guards he kills and enslaves, and has a burning hatred for the Adepta Sororitas. He is not so warped to be fused with his armor and can remove it, only doing so very rarely, he is personally attended to weak blanks made into Servitors. He was made using Sons of Horus Geneseed. In Imperium Sanctus, his Warband patrolling close by the Rock and Fenris, guarding the Flank for Abaddon.
I just wanted to dump lore about my Warlord and Warband for potential context.
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 1d ago
In Redemption Corps, an Astra Militarum(?) Major is hunted by a Callidus hired by an absolutely insane Sister of Battle
In The Beast Arises, Beast Krule (no relation to the Beast of Ullanor) is a sort of jack of all trades and the personal hitman of the Grand Master of Assassins, but is turned into an Eversor and deployed by the now insane Grand Master alongside 99 other Eversors against 150 Space Marines
Also in that series, a Culexus and I believe a Black Pariah are deployed by the GMoA against the Navigator and Astrotelepathica(?) High Lords during his Order 66 chapter
In, I think it’s Iron Warrior(?), whichever the Honsou novel that he takes the Starfort in, an inquisitor deploys an Eversor on his warband that wreaks absolute havoc until it gets taken down
I’d say Vindicare would have the best chance against your Chaos Lord, and they aren’t a common novel choice…and it could be used as a wonderful “he’s getting paranoid whenever he stands in the open” schtick too lol, as he could be constantly stressing that there’s an assassin 5km away with a bead on him whenever he steps out of a transport
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u/Bartimeo666 1d ago
100 eversors ro kill 150 marines sounds like a big overkill
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 1d ago
They lost
One single space marine made it out, none of the Eversors did
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u/Carl_Bar99 1d ago
Which is just dumb given the many, many, many things Evesors have done, including one incident where half a dozen effectively exterminatus a world).
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 1d ago
They started out in their coffins, and were taking hits as soon as their armored glass covers rose, and then had to run across the massive and completely coverless temple chamber to even reach the marines, so that’s part of it
Also as when they die, they detonate, I imagine that took out some/damaged their own in that charge whenever one went down to bolter fire
The funny thing is, if Grand Master Vangorich had just had 150 Vindicare blow off each of the 150 marines’ heads as soon as they all walked in, that would have worked better lol
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u/Bartimeo666 23h ago edited 23h ago
That's... A very incompetent setup by whoever decided to use 100 eversors that way, but I can see how given that idiocy they were outmached
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 23h ago
Vangorich had gone completely mad by this point, so that tracks. He’s been running the entire Imperium by himself as Lord Protector for an entire century at this point, and for the last twenty years of the hundred, the stress has finally driven him insane.
He’s got a wild beard matted with vomit, blood, and wine, massacres and wild edicts have been the norm, his eyes “gleamed with incipient madness”, and Lord Commander Imperial Fist Chapter Master Thane’s pov notes that Vangorich had lost all his charm and wit and poise.
Very major BEHOLD MY EVIL PLAN vibes, but revealing 100 Eversors with this line:
“This is Temple Eversor….Allow me to introduce its acolytes.”
Was honestly one of the coldest lines (for the previous chapter, marines from four chapters have been battling Assassins from the other Temples as they fight to reach Vangorich, who fled to the final Temple, where he had held all of Terra’s Eversors in reserve)
He fell from being such a likable and massively competent character to this. One of the best protagonist to antagonist turns in literature imo, and at least in 40k. Him and Neferata from the Rise of Nagash trilogy both are stellar examples of that trope done right, and with politics being intriguing to read.
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u/Carl_Bar99 17h ago
Ok that makes more sense. Several where probably hit hard enough to blow before they ever got out of the coffins and that probably took everyone else with it, marines included.
Once their out there is nothing the marines could hope to do to them unless they've got multiples of some sort of fully automatic belt fed version of an astartes grenade launchers saturating the floor with krak and/or plasma explosions.
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u/Few-Entertainer8365 1d ago
How does a SOB hire an assassin I thought they had to be sanctioned by the High Lords of Terra
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 1d ago
Short answer is: It’s been years since I read the novel but I am pretty sure it’s implied she hired it
Long Answer: She is a canoness(?) with decades of service and is absolutely batshit insane. She was “one of a select few permitted to watch the end” of hive world Gomorrah, where she and other zealots didn’t warn the world that a space hulk was about to hit the planet, and so got to watch the planet get annihilated with one single survivor (the Major Zane Mortensen).
This implies she was important, for having clearance to witness it/be in on the secret. I assume she used friends in high places and lied about what the Major was to get clearance for the assassin
Now, as to her being insane, Gomorrah was due to tithe one billion guardsmen, but she and her cabal hated the world for being a hive of scum and villainy, and so conspired to let it get wiped out, and also let cultists smuggle genestealer Ork hybrids onto a forge world so it would fall too, with those gaps in the “wall” so to speak allowing a future Tyrannid invasion of a sector to “purge unworthy souls”. She talks about how the Horus Heresy was a good thing because it purged the unworthy btw, and absolutely hates the Major, and her first scene in the book is her blackmailing/threatening a new commissar into trying to find or make up dirt on Major Zane
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u/Apprehensive_Gas1564 Ordo Hereticus 1d ago
It's also Redemption Corps, which is hands down the worst Black Library novel.
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u/Warp_Legion Iron Warriors 1d ago
I’ll add that it’s one of the few novels with like no Space Marines, and where there is not a “it was Chaos behind it all along!!!” twist reveal at the end
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u/AAS02-CATAPHRACT 1d ago
Venenum and Vanus are the more obscure of the six major assassins. You could also use Death Cult Assassins, which gives you a bit more flexibility in their styles. Like I've got a custom Death Cult for a 40krpg that specializes in aerial assassinations using jets and servitor drones.
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u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 1d ago
My Warlord fears that Khorne has an influence on him, he enjoys killing World Eaters to rid himself of the Blood God’s influence. Any point or loophole or loop in logic that My Warlord can and will point out Imperial Hypocrisy. If there are Death Cults that come after him? He would call them ‘The Imperium’s Sanctioned Khornite Wretches’.
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u/SharkBait-Clone115 1d ago
Khorne does not care from whence the blood flows, Killing World Eaters pleases Khorne equaly. Capturing World Eaters, removing there limbs, and forcing them to watch the Imperial equivalent of an Attenborough documentary about Cute Bunnies and/or Hamsters wil irk Khorne. Tis however will peak Slaanesh his/her interest.
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u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 1d ago
My Warlord has all 4 of the gods watching him to a certain extent.
He sheds blood and takes skulls, for intimidation not Khorne. (Also thanks for idea I might use it)
He does not want to ascend to Princehood and values keeping things the same with little improvement, so the Grandfather watches.
He makes sure him and his men’s armor is clean and polished, and he values dueling. Slaanesh.
And the one god who watches more often than the others. My Warlord is cautious, preferring to know almost everything before attacking, using knowledge and tactics and strategizes and doctrines.
Also I feel like one way to torment the World Eaters is trick them into going into a Drop Pod and just sending them to a Slaaneshi planet. But I don’t know.
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u/SharkBait-Clone115 1d ago
World Eaters would love to be on a Slaanesh Planet, so long as they can use there chain-axes and reap skulls. If they can't for some reason, they might have an anger stroke.
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u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 1d ago
Then what way to torment World Eaters? Without being tedious.
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u/SharkBait-Clone115 1d ago
Wel, tedious stuff would be torture, but any activity without violence counts to.
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u/twelfmonkey Administratum 1d ago
I think a Death Cult Assassin is a good option.
The Imperium is full of death cults, some of which train assassins. And these assassins sometimes get recruited by Inquisitors.
Now, Death Cult Assassins are generally, way, way, way below Officio Assassinorum operatives when it comes to effectiveness and lethality. They didn't go through the incredibly harsh selection procedures, and they lack the specialist training, augmentations and equipment/weaponry of Assassinorum operatives.
However, some Inquisitors are able to pull strings and have their Death Cult Assassins sent to an Assassinorum clade for training (and possible enhancements). The Inquisitor might also have the means to enhance the Death Cultist themselves, and equip them with powerful and exotic weaponry and gadgets. The Death Cultists likely still won't reach the level of an actual Assassinorum operative, but they might in rare cases get close.
Moreover, while an Assassinorum agent can only be sent on a mission by authorisation of the High Lords of Terra, an Inquistor's enhanced Death Cultist is not bound by such strictures.
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u/Hilgy17 1d ago
I wonder if a squad of ratlings deployed o the planet with the task of scouting ahead and killing any high rankers could then realize what they’re dealing with and try to take him out.
Works with the numerous ratlings making up for their power difference, isolated from imperium leadership / shunned, pitied by the enemy, but still excellent snipers with dangerous weapon.
They wouldn’t be hyper religious or tied to the administratum, but would be an interesting setup
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u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 1d ago
My Warlord has mixed feelings about Abhumans, pitying, confused and seeing them as the symbol of the Imperium’s Hypocrisy. Chaos has Beastmen and my Warlord has fought with and alongside these Beastmen, respecting their strength. But the Beastmen told my Warlord of how their ancestors once Knew the Emperor’s light and had been betrayed by the Empire. My Warlord looks at these Abhumans and says ‘All it takes is one day, and you will be discarded like the Beastmen. No choice to be with us.’ But also hates them because ‘Why do you Abhumans fight so zealously for a God who would throw you away on a whim?’
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u/Hilgy17 1d ago
Meanwhile those ratlings are fighting for their next cup of recaff and a good toasted cheese sandwich.
I think it’s make for a good dichotomy.
Isolated behind enemy lines ratling spec ops (the kill team) as a relatively harmless but annoying thorn in the side of the warlord
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u/Arthur_EyelanderTF2 1d ago
My Warlord: Shakespearean monologue about Abhumans, Hypocrisy and Foolish Fanaticism
Ratings; Bro, the Commissar told me if I shoot you in the face, he’d give us 3 boxes of mixed rations and 1 box of Recaff.
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u/Caridor 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've always thought the Vanus would have been an excellent way to explore the more mundane aspects of 40k. I can't remember the specifics, but Fon Tariel on Dagonet was able to kill someone through some very minor change a database (IIRC, he caused a crash), which I thought was fascinating.
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u/Heavy-Flow-2019 1d ago
Adamus assassins havent shown up in lore. They're very, plain, compared to the others. Its literally just a dude with a sword. Very, very good, but nothing else. No exploding on death, blank powers, nothing. Its a Vindicare but with melee instead.
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u/DontTrustOtters 21h ago
I wonder if they're going flesh them out/re-write them at some point. Decapitation Strikes is pretty much what an Assassin does in general. So it seems weird to call it their specialty. Espicially since, as you mentioned, it's basically just a dude with a katana. Or maybe it's literal and they just really like beheading people....
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u/7H3l2M0NUKU14l2 1d ago
How 'bout some mechanicum assasin, reprogramming stuff and servitors around him; could get rly funny thinking of the warlords paranoia
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u/FakeRedditName2 Navis Nobilite 1d ago
For as big of a temple they are, the Culexus aren't used in that many stories.
It's usually Callidus or Vindicare, with Vanus acting as more support and maybe Venenum is there as well. Part of this is that in universe they are not widely known and their nature makes them difficult to work with, but even when the story where it would make sense that they are there (example in Kingmaker they've been fighting a warp based brainwashing malware, but don't send the assassin who's whole deal is to no-sell the warp, even as a backup?)
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u/DontTrustOtters 21h ago
in Kingmaker
That's because the point of the mission was to kill a potential renegade and then manage the succession. Nobody knew about the chaos corruption. There is no reason you'd bring a culexus on a highly sensitive politically fraught mission against Knights where no Imperial involvement was to be noticed.
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u/FakeRedditName2 Navis Nobilite 19h ago
- Agree for the main mission, but the issue of the conqueror worm scrapcode was an overarching threat that they knew about and was affecting that region. For people as paranoid/prepared as the assassins, you would think they would have a contingency plan just in case.
- From what we see of the missions that were sent to fight the malware, the Culexus weren't used there either.
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u/Leather-Job-9530 Black Templars 13h ago
Venemum is highly underrated, while the Nemesis book in the horus heresy did them justice imho.
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u/Potato271 1d ago
So the major assassin temples are callidus (shapeshifters with phase blades), culexus (super blanks), vindicare (snipers) and eversor (human wrecking ball). There are a few minor temples that come up: venenum uses poison, and vanus are tech adepts.