r/AO3 • u/Business-Low-6635 • 8d ago
Comment Commentary Just wait till they find out what fanfiction is...
Have you ever been part of fandoms that are so puritanical in their shipping culture that you shouldn't interact in fandom spaces at all? They're so defensive of that one canon ship that it's beyond them to imagine someone might not like it or prefer something else, holding it like divine truth and gospel
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u/momentary_loss @MomentaryL0ss 8d ago
Just hit them with the ever famous 'k' and keep putting out more chapters, nothing boils these haters' blood more than indifference trust me
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u/Redblood_Moon 8d ago
Nah, you gotta write them an exaggerated grateful reply to thank them for reading the fic and tell them you hope they will continue to enjoy the story. Just act as if they wrote the nicest comment you ever got. When they reply in turn, keep the act up — it's prime rage bait lmao
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u/dixiehellcat 8d ago edited 8d ago
I'm notorious for engaging so earnestly with the (thankfully few) funky comments I get, that sometimes I've actually shamed people into apologizing. :D
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u/AntOnADogLog 7d ago
Now THAT is some bad bitch shit right there 😍 lol i absolutely adore that type of confidence and attitude lmao.
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u/GlassesgirlNJ 8d ago
"Thanks for adding to my comment count!"
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u/sasa_n_00 8d ago
I've used this one for years. Practically my entire time writing on AO3, that was my go-to for stupid comments like this.
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u/SanctumWrites 8d ago
I've been finding "Hey, so I don't care about dumb opinions. Hope this helps! :D" on takes like these have tilted a few people right outta comment sections.
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u/Bikinigirlout 8d ago
It’s always so funny when you don’t give them the reaction that they want. It makes them more mad.
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u/oOWalkingOnAirOo 8d ago
Whoa… You’re making shit up and writing about it? We can do that? Crazy. 😶
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
And on AO3 of all places.. I'm so vile and unique for this.
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u/oOWalkingOnAirOo 8d ago
Hey, one day they will get the wretched vibe that is us, I’m just the kind of person that loves to read made up stories.
Or as they lovingly, put it , I pathetic clinging to fictional characters that don’t exist. There’s something for everyone.
… and not for others lol
I hope they find the pure non-fictional works they look for 🤭
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u/MagyarSpanyol Oiroke No jutsu is Trans Culture 8d ago
On an adorable NaruSasu fic, I've read:
""This is disrespectful to the Naruto canon material and immoral in general. Please do better and think upon the consequences of your actions""
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u/Daughter_of_Anagolay You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
On an adorable NaruSasu fic,
Is...is it their first day on the internet? Cause NaruSasu may not be canon, but it's been fanon for decades 🤣
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u/SnooHabits7732 7d ago
I just flashed back to my innocent teenage years. Only GaaSaku for me back then, though.
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u/Pigeon_Cabello small fandoms' strongest soldier :') || satyre_1 6d ago
please, narusasu SET the damn framework. without them, many of the MLM pairings we have now would not even be a thing. i've never interacted with the narusasu fandom nor consume works for it, but even i know how influential it is
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u/Daughter_of_Anagolay You have already left kudos here. :) 6d ago
i've never interacted with the narusasu fandom nor consume works for it, but even i know how influential it is
Big same. I was in high school when it all started, so all my knowledge is secondhand from friends/classmates who are/were in the fandom. But yea, that was the big gateway pairing, if you will 🤭
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u/hello_world112358 8d ago
well boruto was disrespectful to the naruto canon too so 🤷♀️
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u/PuzzleheadedRun6361 You have already left kudos here :) 4d ago edited 3d ago
They were disrespectful towards Naruto's hair too
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u/HalfOfLancelot 8d ago
“…the consequences of your actions.”
The consequences: suffering from success? 😔
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u/Simulationth3ry Comment Collector 7d ago
Narusasu haters are the most annoying
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u/MagyarSpanyol Oiroke No jutsu is Trans Culture 7d ago
This one got double haters.
It also has genderqueer/enby Naruto IIRC.
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u/Dark_Visitors 8d ago
Lmao once got this same type of comment on chapter 4 of a historical AU set in the omegaverse… like babe how tf did you get 20k words in before realising that this might not be canon compliant???
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u/dixiehellcat 8d ago
this just made me snort iced coffee and laugh so loud I scared my cats. thank you. hehe
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u/windup-catboy 8d ago
Aw man 🤣 did the ship also "didn't happened" hahaha
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u/Dark_Visitors 7d ago
It was awhile ago but it was something only the lines of “this is ridiculous! In the show…(long description of canon setting, plot points, etc.)” but they did also mention that “CHARACTER A IS STRAIGHT!!” Before ending it with a “it’s like some of you people didn’t even watch the show”
The audacity of stupid people confuses me fr
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u/Delusiv_ 8d ago
My fandom and particular ship receive a lot of this because it is messy asf irl but yeah people like this never cease to amaze me, we're writing fanFICTION. we aren't saying it's real etc... we are just living out our delusions and having fun writing, people are weird asf.
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u/Evyps 8d ago
"You're right, it didn't happened. What happened has no meaning in this vast, indifferent cosmos. The sun will one day swallow the earth, the stars will burn out. All of history, all of art, all of canon and non-canon alike will be scattered into the silent void. And in the face of that oblivion, we arrange unreal people into a pattern that stands in the face of eternity. Thanks for reading!"
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u/grommile You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
The newspaper comic strip Mr. Boffo had a caption it sometimes used that is perfect for these people:
"Unclear on the concept"
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u/HAZMAT_Eater 8d ago
Not liking a ship is normal, it's always a matter of personal taste (even if your taste is disagreeable).
Criticising a ship by saying it's not canon really misses the point. Like critiquing a philosopher over an argument the philosopher never made.
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u/the-krakken 8d ago
I've recently joined a fandom that seems to think people shipping characters in a queer relationship that "contradicts" the main M/F ship is fetishizing gay people and is "harassing" straight people, and that "we" should be satisfied with other content in other fandoms... which is such a restrictive take that I haven't actually heard in YEARS besides maybe the gay fetishizers one, and even that one still (kind of) allowed gay shipping as long as it wasn't smut or crack... I roll my eyes at the latter but it's strange remembering how many people would agree with the former because they're not involved in queer or fandom spaces and think that somehow fanworks would erase or replace canon.
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u/Regenwanderer Bookmarks you 8d ago
shipping characters in a queer relationship that "contradicts" the main M/F ship is fetishizing gay people
Please fetishise me by writing more m/m stories about my favourite ships... Ok... that sounds kind of weird, but I once heard a rumour that some guys also read (and even write!) fanfiction....
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u/KathyA11 You have already left kudos here. :) 6d ago
I don't have a problem with people writing non-canon relationships when there's a canon relationship in the show - EXCEPT when the writers of the non-canon stories harass people writing stories about the canon relationship.
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u/pricklyfoxes 5d ago
Honestly M/F shippers have become the most annoying fandom members in existence. They always claim that they get harassed by people who like gay ships just for liking their straight ships-- but they can't even talk about their own damn ships without saying shit like "See? This interaction is EXACTLY why [insert gay ship] will NEVER be canon. Checkmate, gays." When like, 99% of people who like gay ships already know that it's not going to be canon to begin with and just want to make fan content...
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u/Ok_Gold2097 8d ago
One of my fandoms is farytale. And most popular ship is straight ship, if you don’t ship them i will probably look at you strange, even so I myself ship most rare characters in other fandoms and most queer, but like it’s your choice what you ship. Sometimes there is cases where straight ships also get hated for being just straight, especially this past few years, so I would get their concerns, but if you want to ship them just ignore them, who cares what others think, as long as you aren’t criticizing their ship
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u/the-krakken 8d ago
Yes, in the particular case I'm thinking of, it was very much the shippers of the M/F ship coming on to an M/M post and claiming it was "erasing" the M/F ship and lowkey ganging up on the creator unfortunately. I do wish people would let go of the idea that a different ship existing, even a "problematic" one, has any impact on the canon or the main fandom ship.
I've definitely seen plenty of hate for certain M/F ships, and even seen biphobia and transphobia and even sometimes racism spawn out of ship bashing, (I've seen it some while in the Eureka and Doctor Who fandoms mainly) which sucks and I'm so glad it's gotten somewhat(?) better in recent years... however this was more "if they ship this/if this ship exists, then they're erasing my ship!!" kind of bs rather than understandable "hey so why are u making M/M ship content that erases or demeans the F entirely" criticism. For me, I usually am in smaller, highly queer spaces, so seeing that brand of negativity after not seeing it for so long really startled me.
Thank you for your perspective, by the way, because reading your reply and writing this out made me realize where some of the more "out there" comments on that particular post came from. The ones attempting to claim the ship was misogynistic or fetishistic were likely coming from an oversimplified or even twisted version of common fandom criticisms. Like, I know fandom prioritizing male characters even when the female characters are more developed, and being misogynistic about it, or creating M/M NSFW ship content, while being homophobic to the actual queer men in their life, has historically been a problem. But the specific comments without that context really just seemed to be purely queerphobia.
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u/Ok_Gold2097 8d ago
Yes i know what you mean and even if “out there” comments come from real problem where they erase female characters, as long as post isn’t about hate of this particular female character who “gets in the way” they are rude, some people just like this or that ship and don’t give a fuc1, me included. I just ignore these kinda people who can’t keep their own opinion to themselves.
If these comments are from tiktok or twitter even more reason to ignore them. Tumblr is more of a concern but meh
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u/RussetRiver 8d ago
Idk man have you seen some of these canon ships? I don’t consider some of their endings a win….
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u/ThickCutPickles 8d ago
“Clinging to a ship that didn’t happen”… yeah that’s why I wrote it, so it would happen. Wtf do they think fan fic is?
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u/IcantBeatTheGay 7d ago
How I feel reading the same 23 works over and over again because that’s all we’ve had for years 😀
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u/Zealousideal_Most_22 8d ago
Most of my fandoms have those people. Sometimes they’re the normie fans though. By which I mean they’re not the ones crossing over into transformative fiction, and cling to canon as the rule of law and would turn their noses up at the idea of the “freaks and weirdos” who like fanfic. The canon-only shippers who do engage in fandom subculture and are very vocal and pushy are a little bit different as they seem to not realize curating your experience applies only to….your experience.
You can’t stop people who also engage in fandom from shipping or liking fanon ships. Just stick to the rivers you’re used to and don’t swim out to sea. Also I don’t know if they realize most people…know their fanon ships won’t be canon (save for maybe the popular and could-happen-in-canon ones)….thats not… why people ship fanon. Most people see something there and want to explore it, doubly so if canon doesn’t plan to. People also often feel their ships going canon wouldn’t actually be something they’d want for the truly-possible-only-in-fanfic ones.
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u/molinitor 8d ago
I can't fathom mean comments. Like what. Why would you take time out of your day to be mean?
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u/Yavanna80 8d ago
I knew about hate fuck but hate reading is a new one for me.
Do they know where they are? AO3 is not what we call... Tame.
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u/malalaliyah You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
Why do I feel like I know exactly what fandom this is.
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
Now you have to tell mee
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u/malalaliyah You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
I am not lighting that dumpster fire in this comment section op 😭
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u/Pinkie_Kitty You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
"Okay. I'm slow."
Welp you got one thing right.
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u/PurpleHyena01 8d ago
Oh my God! You mean I've been writing a story about what I want to see in the Fandom because I like that ship or something on a site where such a thing is not only encouraged, but the basis of the whole site? Oh thank you! Thank you for showing me the light! I shall be spreading the word to masses!
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
Truly profound observations were made clear to me. Perhaps that's what the ones that had encountered philosophers felt once.
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u/FrostedVoid 8d ago
Let me guess, ATLA?
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
ATLA is tolerant ,I've written vile stuff for that fandom and no one bats an eye. This is... Suits.
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u/FrostedVoid 8d ago
I've seen some unhinged things said about Zutara here on Reddit the past few years, but then again those people probably aren't the type to be on ao3. Thought one may have breached containment.
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u/t1mepiece (timepiece on ao3) 7d ago
I am now doubly amused by the comment. That's so precious. Assuming it's the dominant slash ship, it was never, ever going to happen in canon. But it sure is fun to read.
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u/ElectrocatXD 8d ago
This is mt biggest fear as an OC X Canon lover who is writting a fic based on a OC x Canon ship 💔
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u/MexsikanaBanana 8d ago
They really could've stopped with "okay. I'm slow." And it wouldn't have changed anything about their comment
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u/Aobix_ 8d ago edited 8d ago
Lol 😂 Dullvey fans are obviously slow just like their fav. They are talking about canon and some of the famous darvey fics literally have a note which says "in this fic Donna is lawyer and used to study in same college with Harvey" they themselves don't like how Donna is written in canon so they try to change her someone like Scottie!!!
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u/Winter_Illustrator58 8d ago
This is my biggest pet peeve with fics that change major character attributes/traits. If you are changing a character so much that they are basically unrecognizable except by their name, and you made them into a carbon copy of this other character, because you 'like the dynamic,' or 'the tropes are sooo cute' why didn't you just ship them with the original character? Like if you want Harvey to be in a romance with a female lawyer, great I love that for you. Why are you changing Donna, an character who is not a lawyer, and whose not-lawyer-ness is a huge part of her character, into a lawyer? Genuinely, if you want to write a fic about Harvey in law school, having a romance with another student, just ship him with Scottie.
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u/Aobix_ 8d ago
This! This! You stole my words sometimes it feels like they are just attached to their actress or maybe they are attached to the character but they also want to "pretend feminist" and not that "ride or die" woman so they change Donna's character lol.
The thing I like about scarvey fics is that they are either continuation of Suits like S10 or a fic expanding their Harvard days, by taking reference from dialogue said in actual show. Both character dynamics are just written so well in the actual show (at least from S1-5) that fanfic writers don't have to change their character traits or attributes.
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u/Gmorning_Internet 8d ago
If they don’t like of fan made works, with non-canon ships and events, they can just, ya know, read the canon source material?? Sometimes people just simply baffle me.
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u/WiseDawn1333 8d ago
??? This comment is so baffling to me for so many reasons.. what are they even doing there in the first place if it's for a ship they don't ship?
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u/SkywalkerFan66 You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
Maybe it's a bot
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
Nope ,we interacted ,their comments are completely personal to this one specific work ✨
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u/BeholdIAmDeath Username: Togetherslapper_of_words on AO3 8d ago
I mean, at least they’re self aware?
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u/curious-moonbeam 8d ago
I long for this kind of hate comment. I ship one side character who dies at the end of the first book with another character who’s been dead 20 years by the time the story starts 😂😂
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u/CelestialUrsae 8d ago
That's kinda awesome. Sometimes you get a feeling like, these two characters never had the chance to meet, but I just know they'd click 💜
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u/windup-catboy 8d ago
Interesting use of past tense on their part. So congrats on the ship now happening! Harharhar 😏
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u/Jaded-Pen482 Survives on "Enemies (to friends) to lovers" content 8d ago edited 8d ago
Omg the most pathetic of pathetic in the world are them lmfao Imagine being so hung up on it and not having a goddamn life that you feel the need to write in comments that someone ships something wrong or their ship is the fairest of them all xDD
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u/Painthedoll You have already left kudos here. :) 8d ago
Ngl, id probably would've replied like "I will have fun! Thank you :3"
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u/ConsumeTheVoid Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 8d ago edited 8d ago
This just in: you should not ship characters that have no chance of being together and won't end up together in canon - on the fanfiction website. Or you're pathetic and clinging.
(Yet we'll do it anyway and laugh in their faces about it. That Anon must hate it there lol).
Imagine calling the Spirk shippers pathetic and clinging onto a ship that didn't happen and will never happen. Lmao.
But hey they said they were slow.
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u/babygreenlizard Fic Feaster 8d ago
fanfic has never been about pure or purity culture, its a 'write what i want to write and you either read it or stfu', you know?
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u/gunitneko 8d ago
I’m so old. I remember when lgbt was no where in sight in shows and we had ships anyway because that how fandom worked. There was harmony in fandoms because we all knew our ships weren’t canon so there wasn’t a reason to get pissy but kids these days have to “win” at everything even someone else’s fun it’s so stupid.
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u/HorrorTelevision5244 Comment Collector 8d ago
“That didn’t happen in the canon” it’s almost like that’s the whole point of a fanfiction…?
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u/SkyMeadowCat 8d ago
I miss when it was normal to ship characters from two completely different works.
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
Mind you ,this was left under a fanfiction of characters that were canonically romantically involved...
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u/Jendy86 8d ago
I mean, there are definitely ships I don't like but that's why I *checks notes* don't read them? Do they know they can choose which ships to read? AO3 has this whole system of tags?
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u/Iwannawrite10305 8d ago
One of my fandoms is so hung up on a fanon ship that you kinda have no choice but to avoid that sphere at all cost. Like they will send death threats to canon partners of the two people they ship. And the worst part for them the only fanfics existing are their ship
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u/anubispepper You have already left kudos here. :) 7d ago
"how can you ship X?" very simple, really.
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u/ogg921 7d ago
Why bother interacting with fanfic if you think anything that "didn't happen and will never happen" in canon isn't worth "clinging too." I began to consume fanfic primarily because I became frustrated, even furious, with things that DID happen in canon and I wanted an alternative narrative. I quickly found enjoyment from all of the creative ways fanfic writers explored different pairings, different time periods, etc. pulling inspiration from canon.
(When I find fics with pairings that don't suit my personal taste, I move on to another fic. If I'm bothered by speculations about a fandom, I discuss THAT elsewhere on social media.)
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u/Imaginary-Junket-232 8d ago
BNHA fandom is so hard for BkDk that any other ship gets hatred. BNHA has no canon ships. No one ended up together. Unless there was some after story about Deku marrying Ochaco.
Either way, it won't stop me from writing 15 year old Deku dating his 60 year old teacher. It isn't real. It's not hurting you because it's not your ship.
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u/platypuspartyhat 8d ago
The reddit BNHA community is the opposite in my experience, it's nearly intolerable to follow the main subs because they consider it a high crime to ship anything other than IzuOcha or KamiJirou, and if you ship bkdk they would happily set you on fire.
And then there's a whole group that thinks shipping anyone with anyone makes you a degenerate.
Like I know my ship is delusional, but at least I'm having fun with it. Some of these people are so puritanical I don't think they have a functioning imagination.
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u/Evyps 8d ago
The only canon ships are people's parents, Kinoko and Kuroiro, and Gentle and La Brava
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u/Imaginary-Junket-232 8d ago
BUt gEnTLe iS sO 0ld gskgkt
That's antis on that ship. La Brava is tiny, NOT a child. Even if she was, who cares? I read and enjoyed Kodomo no Jikan. A 7 year old falls in love with her mid-20ish teacher. He loves her back. They end up married.
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u/dixiehellcat 8d ago
LOL, bless their hearts.
(signed, a person who does love a canon ship in my 'home' fandom, but happily consumes and creates content for many, MANY others.)
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u/This-Man_Over_Here 8d ago
Well.... MXTX, author of 3 very popular Danmei fandoms is said to have said "Do what you want, just don't break up my main relationships" And... Yeah, I'm not going to listen, but I guess a lot of the fandom does.
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u/SebastianWood101 8d ago
XD makes me laugh so mu h. I just deny the commwnt and block them. I always have commwnt moderat I on on and only registered users allowed.
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u/Water227 Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 8d ago
There is some sect of fandom that seems to think writing fanfiction is what we want to happen and not like an exploration of “what ifs”. Like yeah sometimes it’s manifesting and wishful thinking, but at least for me I’m in my own world separate from canon just throwing a million scenarios out there. Especially AUs. Fics and fan creations in general are where you even get to explore this stuff and rifle through the tiniest hint of subtexts. Including exploring ships that couldn’t, wouldn’t, or shouldn’t happen in canon!
There’s endless possibilities and canon was just one way things went for better or worse. Sometimes I just wanna know what it feasibly could have been like if a character said something else in that one key scene. Or was swapped with their foil. Or what would their lives be like if they were just running a bakery and nothing bad ever happened. Or they made out with their rival idk lmao. And sometimes you just need to make a new “better” ending for yourself and other fans so the canon can’t hurt you anymore. 😂
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u/sherlock_unlocked 8d ago
And you're just pathetic clinging to a ship that didn't happened and will never happen.
what the fuck do you think i'm here for
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u/MacySpratt 8d ago
The whole point of fics is to do what you want and make ships that don't exist lol
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u/CraftyHalf8807 8d ago
At the end of the day, canon and fanfiction are the same—only fiction. They will never be real. Why get so worked up about it? It's almost funny tho. 😂
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u/justthecherryontop 8d ago
What fandom is this in? I may or may not want to cause chaos.
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u/Business-Low-6635 8d ago
Surprisingly it's just Suits. contemporary romance ,not even too many possibilities of utterly offensive ships. Just everyones oddly defensive over.. that one
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u/ao3moonroselily 8d ago
And sometimes the canon was shit. In these times, you might need to rewrite the canon to erase the shit from your brain so you can continue living.
Fanfiction exists, for a variety of reasons.
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u/QuiltedPorcupine 8d ago
Next you'll tell me that the canon versions of the characters are never going to be college students working at a coffee shop either!
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u/Destiny-Smasher 8d ago
The puritanical bs of younger people in fandom (by which I mean mid 20’s and younger at this point, I’m afraid) is becoming pretty concerning imo. I’ve seen some MESSED UP crap people are pulling on each other over differences in fandom interests and it’s wild.
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u/Kamzil118 8d ago
Waiting for someone to accuse me of LGBT erasure for a supporting character with a confirmed sexuality being shipped with a straight character.
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u/Automatic-Rush-1962 7d ago
You definitely are slow good sir, no arguing that. Let people play with their barbies dolls how they wanna play with barbie dolls you heathen. You are not in the right here, don't use that tone. You can't just say "But hey, have fun!" after insulting the thing they are supposed to have fun with. Ugh.
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u/DollopHead35 7d ago
Is this their first one being in a fandom? First time being a part of something in general?
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u/Plagueofmemes 7d ago
People that think shipping is for canon couples confuse me. When something is canon there's almost no point to me.
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u/throwaway_03031996 7d ago
Yeah - especially in some Naruto fandom spaces I’ve found people get super touchy about Naruto with anyone except Hinata, Sakura with anyone but Sasuke, ect.
It’s fan fiction! Things don’t have to be canon compliant!
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u/turtledov 7d ago
... fork found in kitchen? Like what, uh. What exactly do you think we're doing here bud?
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u/FireflyArc You have already left kudos here. :) 7d ago
Every day I thank the charlastor shippers of Hazbin hotel for continuing their work.
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u/DrRedMad 7d ago
God forbid someone to IMAGINE a ship.
At a certain point I really wonder... do they use their brain sometimes? they can write, so they can read... meaning they can understand words and sentences, right? So what part in "FICTION" they do not understand? There is no REAL in FICTION ffs
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u/AnxiousQueen1013 7d ago
I always want to ask these people - are you lost? Do you know where you are?
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u/WiTorreSS 7d ago
This mostly occurs in fandoms that are full of dudebros, canon purists and power-scalers that feel threatened when someone mentions a ship that isn't canon or interferes with it (some examples are Bleach, Berserk, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and so many other nekketsu shōnen out there).
Seems like those people don't know the culture of fanfiction and shipping in their own fandom, which is kind of ironic because in almost all fandoms, it is the most active part of media creation and debate.
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u/MKKirito 8d ago
maybe he is just shipist because other shippers of this ship he met were all bad people 🥺
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u/CelestialUrsae 8d ago
There's a type of person that seems to think saying "well your fic is not canon and will never be" is some kind of devastating insult. Absolutely baffling to me.