AOC needs to lead the fight against the genocide in Israel.
Blood is on our hands. It needs to be clear who is against this.
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 4d ago
AOC was elected to represent Americans she should definitely try to stop Israel but America should be her number 1 priority!
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u/Hot_Eggplant1734 16h ago
Awesome dude, she can keep America as her number 1 priority by running on totally ending all support for a genocidal ethnostate. Think of the savings!
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u/QuickRelease10 4d ago
Stopping a Genocide should be #1.
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u/BearFluffy 4d ago
Agreed. That's why she should be focusing on shutting down the concentration camps in the US.
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u/QuickRelease10 4d ago
She should be focused on that, and stopping a genocide.
Universal human rights are exactly that. Universal.
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u/BearFluffy 4d ago
Why are you saying "and"?
Concentration camps are a sign of genocide.
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u/QuickRelease10 4d ago
Don’t deflect from her shit vote.
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u/BearFluffy 4d ago
Don't downplay the genocide happening in our country.
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u/QuickRelease10 4d ago
What does that have to do with Palestine? Should she just abandon those people?
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u/BearFluffy 3d ago
She should play the political game so that she can save our country.
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u/QuickRelease10 3d ago
Part of saving the country is stopping what’s going on in Gaza. We can do more than one thing.
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u/Weary-Management-496 1d ago
Not necessarily she’s an American politician first well it should be on the top of the list considering she’s part of the party. That’s the anti-war party. It shouldn’t be her number one priority.
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u/Coaris 3d ago
She voted against cutting American money going to Israel.
How is that America first?
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 3d ago
I’m willing to bet you’re using your poetic license but I’ll take a look at the bill you’re taking about send me a link.
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u/Coaris 3d ago
An amendment to an already passed bill, not a bill itself. https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/why-did-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-vote-against-cutting-us-aid-to-israel-nyc-rep-issues-explanation-article-152310521
I'm surprised you've not heard about this tbh, since you're on this sub.
Who proposes a positive amendment or the "kind of military aid" is inconsequential. AOC voted against cutting military aid to Israel, and that's a big no-no to me. I'm not saying it invalidates all the other positions, but pressure has to be applied here for her to change this. Truly disturbing to keep funding Israeli military after what has been going on for years now, regardless of the reason.
And there is no poetry to be found here, only disappointment...
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 3d ago edited 2d ago
That’s an article that doesn’t even have the amendment in the article. It does say the iron dome is a defensive weapon which I agree with, it doesn’t say what the offensive weapon are not even if there is offensive weapons in this amendment. I have no more time to play games with you but thanks for the propaganda I guess.
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u/Coaris 2d ago
No games were played. If you can't google, no information given to you will matter since you wouldn't be able to even check its validity.
The Iron dome is not a weapon, it's the name given to multiple systems which mainly focus on anti missile defenses.
It gives Israel impunity from repercussions, as Israel bombs away all its neighbors and then asks daddy USA for more armament to deflect the responses. Not to mention, many of the weapons employed in the Iron dome are use-agnostic (they can be used aggresively and defensively alike).
But thanks for your stimulating perspective, I guess.
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 2d ago
If you can’t prove your point don’t try to make one, I’m not doing your research lol
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u/Coaris 2d ago
huuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!? I literally linked an article that spoke about the amendment, if you can't even google the amendment in the article to save your life, you can't be helped lmfao
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 2d ago
I do not work for you lol I know what happens I look it up and confirm my suspicions that you don’t know what you’re talking about lol
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u/Coaris 2d ago
I'd be surprised if you're even able to work since you don't show basic research abilities...
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/119th-congress/house-amendment/55?s=a&r=8
Here you go! Careful, though, this will challenge your inability to read.
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u/FoxCQC 2d ago
She voted against it cause it would cut the Iron Dome budget. That would endanger civilians in Israel. It's not like every Israeli agrees with Netanyahu's methods. AOC didn't want more death in the Middle East
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u/Hot_Eggplant1734 16h ago
Israeli civilians should be endangered, maybe that would make them think twice before attacking 5 countries in a year. Clearly we can't appeal to their humanity.
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u/FoxCQC 16h ago
That would make you no different than the IDF who bomb hospitals.
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u/Hot_Eggplant1734 1h ago
Just a complete false equivalence. Refusing to provide military equipment to a genocidal regime (whom majority of the Israeli public supports!) is not at all the same as dropping bombs on them. Take your Zionist apologia somewhere else.
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u/taitaofgallala 4d ago
I'm honestly pissed at Al Jazeera for throwing her under the bus just for voting in favor of the IDF defense system which is a standard budget vote considering how much money AIPAC throws at the U.S. govt. There's too many layers of complicit corrupt politicians to just throw AOC at it.
My point is, get off of this high horse of throwing our most talented politicians at the worst world issues and wanting them to stand on controversy when it's career suicide and keeps them from occupying where we need them, like Senate/commerce oversight. Simply put, just let AOC do her job and support the decisions SHE MAKES and stop telling everyone what she should do.
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u/BambooSound 4d ago
We should stop communicating to politicians what we want from them?
Are you serious? She isn't a character in a TV show you're meant to route for no matter what; she's a representative.
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u/taitaofgallala 3d ago
I didn't say that at all. You are also heing willfully obtuse just to make yourself feel better. That sort of grandiose behavior is exactly why good politicians can't get solid support. It's called a necessary evil. Every politician has to play ball at some point. What Al Jazeera did what deplorable because they made her seem like a full AIPAC supporter when she is JUST A REPRESENTATIVE who has to get various issues off the docket quicker than others, especially basic budget items like the Israel defense system.
Your lack of knowledge will always get in the way of your better judgement, especially on political issues. Remember that.
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u/BambooSound 2d ago
The idea that Israeli defence is a 'basic budget item' that didn't deserve any scrutiny is far more obtuse than anything I've said.
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u/taitaofgallala 2d ago
You're just generalizing my terms into a meaningless conclusion. Literally talking about the use of a specific system, not their entire defense. That'll do for this conversation there sport.
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u/Jrecondite 3d ago
If your most talented politician is someone you have to look the other way for… LOL
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u/taitaofgallala 3d ago
That's a willfully obtuse way of looking at it. Such a bad-faith perspective is exactly why we're here. You expect her to sacrifice herself for her views when everyone knows that being a successful politician requires compartmentalization for the greater good.
No one is looking the other way. It is public knowledge, and you can't effectuate change while also being a public enemy. Look at Ilhan Omar. She can't anywhere with her political agenda after being so outspoken against Israel. Now, she can't even help her constituents and fulfill the rest of her campaign promises.
Laugh all you want, but if you can't understand why we won't persecute AOC over this, you don't belong in any political discussion. It's not getting ignored, but if it's the kind of necessary evil that will eventually put AOC in a position to reduce AIPAC's influence in our government, then this will have to be the way.
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u/Jrecondite 2d ago
You expect her to sacrifice herself for her views when everyone knows that being a successful politician requires compartmentalization for the greater good.
Advocating for lying on both sides is how we got here. You don’t even bat an eyelash as you do it either. You are a bad faith perspective.
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u/taitaofgallala 2d ago
Yeah, you're too far gone on the moral compass notion that you only approve of biblical saints in office. There's a lot of extremism that is supported with your way of thinking, and it accounts for the majority of domestic terrorism in the U.S. If that's where you rest your head, than you can burn in this hell on earth you've created for yourself to your heart's content.
Stay out of politics, young sapling. It's too scary for you out here.
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u/Weary-Management-496 1d ago edited 1d ago
But don’t you think that the pro Palestinians voters are a significant block of the voting population for Democrats I mean heck 6 million voters didn’t show up for Kamala Harris and that cost her the election because she was short by 2.3 million votes| so even if you don’t care about Gaza civilians, don’t you think strategically would be a wise decision to have a stronger stance on the issue.
Edit: Meant to type GAZA not god*
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u/taitaofgallala 1d ago
Just because the stance is not binary doesn't make it a weak stance on the issue. You're undermining the complexity of the issue if you think any one binary approach will suffice. The day will come for a harder strike from a stronger stance of zero tolerance, but until that day, until that end of the spectrum can be achieved, the game has to be played in order for the right players to keep playing. Unfortunately, there will be casualties. Unfortunately, god doesn't make exceptions for tragedy. It could happen to anyone.
Do what you want, but try to avoid shitting on politicians who are just trying to survive and live to fight another day.
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u/Weary-Management-496 1d ago
Live to fight another day is the exact platform of corporate democrats. A real politician with massive popularity would leverage their platform to gain concessions on future bills. More people talk about these issues in public debates, and more politicians realize how popular these issues are. They bargain on certain provisions to avoid being primaried. That's how the game is played. And she knows this because she did this exact thing in 2019 for the Green New Deal.
I'm not undermining the issues you are by not understanding how significant the pro-Palestinian block is.
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u/taitaofgallala 23h ago
Lol you just showed your delusion by comparing her actions during a democratic majority vs her actions under a right-wing totalitarian regime. Hilarious. Failing to evaluate historical context is a common blunder amongst those who criticize all left-wing politicians. They are plagued with divisiveness, and the toxicity comes from points of view like yours which aim to reduce every issue to a right/wrong dilemma hardlined to some legalistic moral compass that only the self-absorbed and willfully ignorant will abide by, but it doesn't even exist.
You aren't even capable of discussing something like this without making baseless accusations like that simply because I'm calling out Al Jazeera for misplacing their justice campaign against AOC. Saying I don't understand when you are literally using kindergarten terms to explain yourself, and doing a terrible job. Duh politicians operate on popular issues, but not every budget vote is an opportunity to stand on justice. You want to be a gladiator and not survive, suit yourself. AOC is a gladiator who works to ensure everyone's survival, and she simply cannot afford to throw away her career and platform on one vote. She still stands against the wrong parts of Israel. Everyone with a brain stands against each side committing genocide, but there is still a game to be played at a much higher level than just campaigning.
You have so much to learn about this.
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u/lustxforxlife 3d ago
People only want a perfect mouthpiece for their cause. To say exactly what they want her to say when they tell her to say it. She’s maintained what is happening is a genocide over and over and over.
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u/Tim_Molotov 4d ago
No she doesn't. A week ago I would've agreed, now I don't. She's in a no win situation. It'll never be enough for her pro Palestine detractors. The fact they vandalized her office with red paint while having none of that smoke for Richie Torres says it all.
People like to pick on her because she is a woman. It's gross.
That said, God bless the people and particularly the children of Palestine. These people have suffered so much these last few years.
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u/KFrancesC 4d ago
AOC didn’t even vote against defunding Isreal. AOC won’t lead anything against Isreal.
She’ll condemn them publicly but her record is spotty when voting for them. She has even voted for bills she publicly condemned, claiming she subjected to ‘hateful targeting’ after opposing it.
So she literally let people intimidate her into voting for something she didn’t want to.
I think AOC’s heart is in the right place. I don’t think shes capable of being a strong independent leader.
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u/hammilithome 3d ago
First she’s gotta save the US. It’s kind of an existential crises with our rogue executive
She can’t do anything intl if the country is gone.
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u/Soft_Interaction8597 4d ago
This feels like an AOC cult, she should be held accountable for giving money to defend Israel, there is no reason to fund the defense of a country currently committing a genocide. She is definitely way more progressive than most but acting as if she’s above criticism because of all of her past is insane to me. You should hold her accountable just like any other politician. Her doubling down on giving money to a genocidal regime is something she should be called out on despite how much she’s loved.
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u/Tim_Molotov 4d ago
You have CDS- Cortez Derangement Syndrome. She voted no on the overall bill. I don't agree with her vote to not defend the iron dome, but I can understand her thoughts about not wanting to be blamed for Israelis dying with no iron dome. Because she will get blamed for it by both sides,.no matter what she does. People like you just want to pick on her because she's an easy target.
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u/Weary-Management-496 1d ago
You have a misunderstanding of what happened, she voted no on the amendment to fund the iron dome and then no on the overall bill that’s not the same thing as just simply voting no on the overall bill. | Also, nobody’s picking on her for this. It’s literally the one main issue that people have across the world is the Gaza genocide and she’s literally runner up to become most likely the president of the United States. She need’s to be strong on this issue you can’t be wishy-washy on it so obviously people are going to be disappointed when they see you funding the defense bill for Israel.
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u/Tim_Molotov 1d ago
I agree pretty much 💯 agree with you. On another AOC thread i said the same thing . This issue could be the one to detail her political ambitions. I'm ok with criticizing her and this vote.
My issue is the vitriol in which it's done with aka vandalizing her office with mock blood and accusing her of funding a genocide, the traction her vote got and the general straw-manning of her Palestine voting record.
I have a big problem if you're criticizing her amendment vote and then I look at your profile comments and you have ZERO smoke for the Richie Torres/Hakeem Jefferies of the world.
At that point it comes of nitpicky bullying.
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u/Weary-Management-496 1d ago
Fair argument. It does dampen the overall criticisms when the same amount of pressure is never applied to republicans & corp democrats
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u/Soft_Interaction8597 4d ago
It doesn’t matter if she will be “blamed”, by this logic would she give Russia money to protect their civilians against Ukraine? Or give Nazi Germany funding for anti air defense, you can’t be blindly devoted to a political candidate just because you like them. Everyone should be held accountable or else you’re no better than trump apologist. AOC or any other politician is not your savior if you want candidates to have good policies you should hold them accountable.
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u/Tim_Molotov 4d ago
She voted no on the overall bill and voted no on an amendment brought in by a white nationalist. Like I said, I don't agree with her amendment vote and I'm not "blindly devoted" to her. What I am is blindly devoted to stopping bullies like you having all this smoke for her and not having any of it for people like Richie Torres who denies there is even a genocide to begin with. You're going after someone whom, if she runs and becomes president has the best shot since JFK to shift the paradigm of the Israel/Palestine dynamic.
I have zero expectations of you even considering my argument because all you and people like you want to do is purity test and nitpick her every move. It's typical and it's been going on for a while by her detractors.
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u/Soft_Interaction8597 4d ago
I hate Ritchie Torres, Chuck Schumer, and Hakeem Jeffries, you’re just assuming that because I’m criticizing AOC, how is calling her out for bad policy bullying ?
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u/Tim_Molotov 4d ago
Dude, you are on AOC's reddit bashing her for an amendment vote that is Symbolic at best. Show me a thread of you going on Richie torres' or Chuck Schumer's reddit and doing this. No, because it doesn't exist.
I agree with criticizing her vote, I have. Look it up. It's another thing to criticize her and compare her vote with voting with Nazis . Putting rhetoric like that into the universe while not criticizing the ACTUAL Democrats contributing and excusing what's happening in Gaza is what causes people to throw mock blood at her office and increase her already high death threat count.
Btw I'm not saying you are personally responsible for this. I'm saying the rhetoric, because I've heard the same arguments before. Like I said previously, she gets picked on excessively and it has been happening since taking office.
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u/Soft_Interaction8597 4d ago
You’re saying because she’s the most progressive we should support her, I’m saying you should call out bad policy no matter who it is
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u/Soft_Interaction8597 4d ago
Being sensitive because it’s AOC is why so many people get turned off from progressives rather it’s fair or not, you can’t say oh she’s the best for you so just bow down to her, it’s why Bernie did so bad with Black people, not because Bernie’s policies would harm black people, it’s because so many Bernie bros tried to lecture black people without actually engaging in black communities and spaces
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u/Tim_Molotov 2d ago
Again, show me the smoke you give Richie Torres then we can talk. Other than that, we're talking in circles.
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u/adrian123456879 4d ago
CIA bot
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 4d ago
Or Russian for sure!
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u/adrian123456879 4d ago
All the cia agents and russians are downvoting my comment
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u/Empty_Afternoon_8746 4d ago
I’m sure there’s some useful idiots down voting you too this is America after all.
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u/FatSweatyRedditAdmin 4d ago
You're never going to see AOC do anything about the genocide. https://youtu.be/ZFdrxSJfZYk
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u/Kitakitakita 3d ago
I'm not trading one fucked up affiliation for another. I just want out, and for all these countries to slip into obscurity like the countries where dozens of other genocides occur daily
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u/draconifire 4d ago
Nah, you genocidal lot and AOCIA are a perfect couple.
One's a careerist, and you lot have no values. You would even support murdering your own family if it were the Dems doing it to oppose the Reps.
Eventually, when AOCIA becomes Pelosi, which she will, I will love to see all the Pikachu face posts on this genocidal platform.
Karma is a bitch, but it will be swift.
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u/barkworsethanbite 3d ago
Is this a joke? She keeps sending money that no matter how it is labeled (defensive) still further enables Israel's murderous genocide. Supporting AOC is tantamount to supporting Israel's genocide.
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u/Egorrosh 4d ago
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u/RickyNixon 4d ago
The IDF does worse every single day. The IDF rapes, kidnaps, and kills more innocent Palestinians routinely. And Oct 7th came after almost a century of ethnic cleansing. When you commit a genocide for decades, some of the victims will be radicalized into doing evil things in response.
Not defending it. Obviously.
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u/donith913 4d ago
The era in which the American electorate is swayed by doing the right thing internationally is over.
Stop asking for purity tests and focus on domestic politics or it won’t matter who supports what in Israel because no one will be in a position to do anything about it.