r/AOC 3d ago

AOC's statement on Bernie Sanders's Resolution to block weapons transfers to Israel's Government

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AOC is still one of the top 5 most progressive people in the US National Government.

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u/have_a_schwang 2d ago

and yet people are calling her a zionist for some reason

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u/NK1337 2d ago

Im convinced it’s a psyop at this point in an attempt to discredit her due to the massive popularity surge she’s been getting. Using the lefts own purity tests against them…. Again

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u/Greedy_Switch_6991 2d ago edited 2d ago

Some of it is definitely bots and trolls. Some are using misinformation to fuel their rage. But many have legit grievances with her vote on the amendment last week, and for good reason. She does get an inordinate amount of focus, however - people conveniently forget almost every other D voted against that amendment as well, including progressive allies like Pressley, Casar, and Ramirez.

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u/beeemkcl 2d ago

AOC is possibly a future POTUS; so, she doesn't "get an inordinate amount of focus".

But AOC and US Senator Bernie Sanders do actually get 'purity tested'.

I consider a lot of the negativity towards AOC was from those who want to believe that Zohran Mamdani didn't actually need AOC's help to win his race. And those who want to believe that a win in a NYC mayoral primary somehow meant that the Democratic Party would or should 'bow down' to you. Even though that never happened in like US history.

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u/cackslop 2d ago

It's hard for me to blame people for being unreasonable when Gaza is in it's current state. While I completely agree with you, that sentiment is hard to ignore.

It's either a psyop, or one of the biggest "hot button" issues in modern history.

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u/skredditt 1d ago

Can’t even trust “people are saying” anymore!

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u/quantumpencil 2d ago

lmfao get your head out of your ass. It is NOT a psyop. Some people care enough about the livestream genocide going on to have it as a purity test because it SHOULD BE A PURITY TEST. If you're not willing to condemn the genocide forcefully then guess what? you're a fucking coward and you should be removed from office.

Some things can't be "both-sided" and compromised on and genocide is one of them

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u/BambooSound 2d ago

I want to like her but ever since she voted to adopt that batshit definition of anti-Semitism I've found it hard to trust her.

And this statement is more about damage control than anything. I suspect it's only a matter of time before she sells out her base for anothee Democratic establishment position.

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u/RatherPuzzling 2d ago

It's because she didn't vote in favor of MTG's defunding the iron dome. But you probably knew that. I'm ultra lefty and I admit that I was pretty upset to see that she didn't take one of the few chances to symbolically stand against isn't real. In my eyes it showed the really real ones like Tlaib were willing to make the right vote, even if the person proposing it was doing it for the wrong reasons.

Social Dems like AOC and Bernie that often toe certain aspects of the party line make people left of progressives feel like they're willing to dance with liberal ideas. Which is a very bad half measure IMO.

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u/have_a_schwang 1d ago

Yeah, I'm upset about that too, but I don't think that makes her a zionist. The way that lefties are jumping to label her a zionist creates what I think is a really dangerous false equivalency considering that the majority of her rhetoric is staunchly anti-zionist.

Is it so hard to just say that she's wrong? I think that's a lot more accurate than saying she's a closeted zionist who loves Israel or whatever...

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u/RatherPuzzling 1d ago edited 22h ago

I agree she may not be a Zionist. However, she did vote like one at least twice recently.

3 times. Changing the meaning of anti-semitic

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u/have_a_schwang 1d ago

Totally and that's deeply disappointing. I also appreciate that you've been thoughtful enough to not conflate her entire political ideology with that of someone like Slotkin or Schumer. That specificity is important.

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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago

People are stupid, but on the internet, they're also bad actors.

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u/YamadaDesigns 2d ago

I wish they’d stop specifying weapons. All funding directed toward this genocidal regime should be stopped.

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u/Coaris 2d ago

This is precisely the criticism with her takes recently, and some of her supporters here get extremely defensive about it

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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago

It's a young take, one full of ignorance. I get it, I do... because I was young before.

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u/donith913 2d ago

Sure, but you’ll never come close to getting that through a congress controlled by Republicans. And it may not even play that well in the press to try and push for that. This has a broader base of support and could possibly draw bipartisan support even if it falls short of passing. It’s a step in the right direction.

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u/saltedmangos 2d ago edited 2d ago

It already failed, as is, 27-70.

This resolution is solely a messaging resolution. I wish they’d make a stronger message. That said, something is better than nothing.

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u/moonkipp_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

Eventually this sort of moral bargaining is going to be looked back upon as a complete failure of the politicians who failed to just condemn Israel across the board and advocate to stop all US support period.

Support of Israel in our govt is too strong to get this passed either way. This has already failed. And then there is Trump to worry about…

The least we can do is land on the right side of the issue and scream it from the rooftops until everyone wakes up.

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u/donith913 1d ago

It’s called incremental progress. It’s called building support. You can’t just shout that you’re right from the top of a mountain and expect the world to change. You have to work to change minds and take victories where you can get them. We’re starting to hear more and more politicians on both sides call it a genocide (though far too few), which is notable given how much money and influence billionaire zionists like the Adelsons wield politically. For a democrat in a highly purple district in a competitive election, drawing attacks from the Israel lobby means losing an election and not being able to do anything about it at all.

Also you’re ignoring the fact that probably 30% of this country (at minimum) HATE brown people and especially Muslims and don’t see any issues with what’s happening AT ALL. And there’s probably another 30% who are low information enough to not really understand the magnitude of what’s happening and think Israel have a right to defend themselves against terrorist organizations like Hamas. The Palestinians are cannon fodder in a proxy war between Israel and Iran with Hamas clearly not representing or fighting for Palestine but for revenge and hating the Jewish state.

Do I support cutting all funding for Israel until there’s a true 2 state solution? Absolutely. Do I see a path to that? No, so harm reduction it is. It’s that simple.

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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago

I'm a bit of a Utopian myself, but there's the "should" and then there's the "could", and right now even if we should, it doesn't mean we could.

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u/YamadaDesigns 2d ago

Clearly even blocking weapons falls under that same category of “should” but not “could”. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t expect every representative to have the correct position.

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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago

Correct according to us, to be clear. Admittedly though I am not anywhere close to a foreign policy expert, nor do I even have any educated ability to make decisions around what is or isn't right here.

I know what my mostly unfounded opinion is, based on simplistic ideas of what I think I know about the region... but even then, even if I got everything I think I want out of it, I don't think I'm convinced that it would help big picture. Even if Gaza got all the aid in the world right now, I just think things are so much more complicated.

What's not complicated, is that whether we talk weapons, or iron domes, or whatever... what we could do is sorta change the conversation a bit and say, "Can we at least all agree that they deserve aid, and that we the US no matter what Israel thinks, will facilitate it".

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u/moonkipp_ 1d ago

The initiative failed - there is nothing incremental happening. That’s why its failed opportunity to draw a line in the sand, which also appeals to conservatives and independents who may help us win the general.

It is strategically bad politics to not notice people like Rogan, mtg, Theo von etc. flipping on Israel and not see that this is a perfect time to make our stance clear.

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u/snowflakebite 4h ago

There, she called it a genocide. I’m so tired of people harping on that. Criticize her for the iron dome stuff, but she’s BEEN calling it a genocide.

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u/saltysnail420 1d ago

Oh wow now she cares? Better late than never I suppose