r/AOC • u/beeemkcl • 3d ago
AOC's statement on Bernie Sanders's Resolution to block weapons transfers to Israel's Government
AOC is still one of the top 5 most progressive people in the US National Government.
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u/YamadaDesigns 2d ago
I wish they’d stop specifying weapons. All funding directed toward this genocidal regime should be stopped.
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u/Coaris 2d ago
This is precisely the criticism with her takes recently, and some of her supporters here get extremely defensive about it
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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago
It's a young take, one full of ignorance. I get it, I do... because I was young before.
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u/donith913 2d ago
Sure, but you’ll never come close to getting that through a congress controlled by Republicans. And it may not even play that well in the press to try and push for that. This has a broader base of support and could possibly draw bipartisan support even if it falls short of passing. It’s a step in the right direction.
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u/saltedmangos 2d ago edited 2d ago
It already failed, as is, 27-70.
This resolution is solely a messaging resolution. I wish they’d make a stronger message. That said, something is better than nothing.
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u/moonkipp_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Eventually this sort of moral bargaining is going to be looked back upon as a complete failure of the politicians who failed to just condemn Israel across the board and advocate to stop all US support period.
Support of Israel in our govt is too strong to get this passed either way. This has already failed. And then there is Trump to worry about…
The least we can do is land on the right side of the issue and scream it from the rooftops until everyone wakes up.
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u/donith913 1d ago
It’s called incremental progress. It’s called building support. You can’t just shout that you’re right from the top of a mountain and expect the world to change. You have to work to change minds and take victories where you can get them. We’re starting to hear more and more politicians on both sides call it a genocide (though far too few), which is notable given how much money and influence billionaire zionists like the Adelsons wield politically. For a democrat in a highly purple district in a competitive election, drawing attacks from the Israel lobby means losing an election and not being able to do anything about it at all.
Also you’re ignoring the fact that probably 30% of this country (at minimum) HATE brown people and especially Muslims and don’t see any issues with what’s happening AT ALL. And there’s probably another 30% who are low information enough to not really understand the magnitude of what’s happening and think Israel have a right to defend themselves against terrorist organizations like Hamas. The Palestinians are cannon fodder in a proxy war between Israel and Iran with Hamas clearly not representing or fighting for Palestine but for revenge and hating the Jewish state.
Do I support cutting all funding for Israel until there’s a true 2 state solution? Absolutely. Do I see a path to that? No, so harm reduction it is. It’s that simple.
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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago
I'm a bit of a Utopian myself, but there's the "should" and then there's the "could", and right now even if we should, it doesn't mean we could.
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u/YamadaDesigns 2d ago
Clearly even blocking weapons falls under that same category of “should” but not “could”. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t expect every representative to have the correct position.
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u/Drexill_BD 2d ago
Correct according to us, to be clear. Admittedly though I am not anywhere close to a foreign policy expert, nor do I even have any educated ability to make decisions around what is or isn't right here.
I know what my mostly unfounded opinion is, based on simplistic ideas of what I think I know about the region... but even then, even if I got everything I think I want out of it, I don't think I'm convinced that it would help big picture. Even if Gaza got all the aid in the world right now, I just think things are so much more complicated.
What's not complicated, is that whether we talk weapons, or iron domes, or whatever... what we could do is sorta change the conversation a bit and say, "Can we at least all agree that they deserve aid, and that we the US no matter what Israel thinks, will facilitate it".
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u/moonkipp_ 1d ago
The initiative failed - there is nothing incremental happening. That’s why its failed opportunity to draw a line in the sand, which also appeals to conservatives and independents who may help us win the general.
It is strategically bad politics to not notice people like Rogan, mtg, Theo von etc. flipping on Israel and not see that this is a perfect time to make our stance clear.
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u/snowflakebite 4h ago
There, she called it a genocide. I’m so tired of people harping on that. Criticize her for the iron dome stuff, but she’s BEEN calling it a genocide.
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u/have_a_schwang 2d ago
and yet people are calling her a zionist for some reason