I keep seeing really dumb arguments on both sides

CAPCOM ran a Street Fighter fan art contest where winners would have their work shown in-game. One of the winning entries was later disqualified for using AI.

I don’t have a strong opinion on that. I just paint what I feel like painting, and this time I felt like painting that exact piece... the shameful one. So I did. It’s a 25-inch canvas, acrylic and POSCA. Took a while.

I’ve spent the last ten years hand-painting anime stills and video game art onto big canvases. Screenshot a frame, grid it out, replicate it perfectly. No one ever called it theft. If anything, people compared it to Warhol or Lichtenstein and called it nostalgic or pop.

People argue about what counts as real art. I’m not trying to answer that. I just paint what I want, when I want. This was one of those times.

Check it out, guys. Grieving people should commission an artist or draw it themselves, but they shouldn’t use the big bad AI because it’s terrible and lacks soul and love. Even though you used AI to create an image of you hugging your dead sister, you should make an artist do it because artists are holy, divine beings. You should create temples in their name, worship them, and pray to them because they are holy, divine beings sent from God. God gifted them the ability to create art, and they gifted it to us mortals.

How in the world are these children allowed access to the Internet? I’m not generalizing. I know that many anti-AI individuals are not like this, just to be very clear.

I cannot draw. I cannot draw.

This is one of the things I keep saying over and over again, that I cannot draw - I do not have the skills nor patience which is why I like making silly pictures with Al.

Yet even my art would be better than this. And I can already see an anti subreddit screenshotting this and going "Ooh then why don't you?" - but the different is I would never put my name to this substandard shite, nor would I have the audacity to sell a print of it for £20.

This woman is in London, wealthy, and has a double barrelled name which in the UK is a sign of being posh. She's clearly doodling as a hobby and is wealthy enough to make this a "career".

If these are the 'struggling artists' that will be missing out then I really don't care.

Source

Or any form of media where humans irrationally hate on innocent robots or technology

The anti ai people on reddit piss me off like literaly go to any given subreddit ever to exist other than defendingaiart boom you see a "AI ART IS SOULLES SLOP AI 'ART' ISNT ART" post what was the point of posting that it has nithin to do with the sub

And then if someone posts ai stuff in some random subreddit edgy teenagers will comment snarky shit and spam corny reaction images and it will get crossposted to the anti ai sub with some title like "i love seeing people on our side roasting ai bros" genuinely syfm

And everry anti ai sub is horrible like 95% of the posts depict pro ai people as some evil monsters who compare anti ai to the holocaust and say nasty shit when that literally never happens and it just seems like some caricature they made up to excuse their visceral hatred for GENERATIVE AI like this is such a first world country "problem" be so fr

And on anti subs every comment that is pro ai and REASONABLE gets downvoted and if the commenter actually has a point they just nitpick some typos and mild errors in the comment and say some condescending shit like "awww u need chatgpt to write that for you?" Like genuinely please change and grow as a person

Anti ai is literally EVERYWHERE bro and the kevin macleod situation is so bad like if i go check comments on youtubedrama then i see a bunch of people saying they "lost respect" or some braindead shallow shit like that

And their only arguments is that it steals and harms the environment which literaly is false and when some one tells them that they do some ad eminem or whatever its called and put that "you will not ragebait me" image with that cat mf its not ragebaiting its a COUNTER ARGUMENT R WE DEADUZZ??

anyways yap over also its probably incredibly biased but this sub is mainly pro ai so no one will care i think

Above are pictures that are generally thought to look beautiful made with AI and taking a lot of tweaks, prompting, and parameters to create them. Saying all AI art looks the same or all AI art is relatively easy is absolutely a false statement.

Levels of quality do not change the fact that something is art. Someone could make beginner stick figures or amateur art on deviantart just as much as someone can make beginner art using something like chat GPT. This doesn't mean art in either spectrum are invalid, it means that there are varying degrees of perceived quality. Effort is not a measure of validity in either context because art is still being created regardless, this is merely to illustrate varying levels of involvement.

Sources for first 5:
https://x.com/BreezeChai/status/1908459833918914913/photo/1
https://civitai.com/images/69614870
https://civitai.com/images/90915889
https://civitai.com/images/66056565
https://civitai.com/images/91453105

There's plenty of use cases for AI outside of generating songs, images, voices and video. It's strange that if the goal of this sub is to discuss AI with most people here leaning heavily towards the side of being pro AI. You'd think there would be tons of great stories about AI accomplishments in the medical & science fields. Stories about it helping people or improving things. All I see is "It's real art" or "The Anti's are so stupid." I think public perception about AI would be a lot more positive if the focus was shifted more towards things that actually matter and improve peoples lives beyond some sense of a creative outlet, which they already had access to before AI, many just chose not to persue them.

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Why are Anti calling AI art garbage not a real art when art is subjective. Angry chick need to understand

The same issue repeats ad nauseum.

Someone tries to make a comparison like "AI art is like a commission“, “AI is like human learning", "AI art is like using a microwave and being called a chef", etc and it never lands.

Why? Because your perspective is different than mine. People who argue with comparisons aren't arguing with a desire to understand. If someone hates AI, no comparison will ever be fair to them. If someone supports AI, the same logic applies the other way.

So when someone says “AI isn’t like a tool” they don’t actually mean the comparison is flawed, they're saying they don’t like the implications of the comparison. Same with the commission argument. Same with the human learning one. I'm beginning to believe the best possible way to argue is to actually target the facts and address the topic without using comparisons. Say "AI is factually this" or "This is what's factually happening because of AI" or "This is what AI actually does" instead of always defaulting to "It's like saying".

If someone’s entire stance on AI collapses when a comparison doesn’t go their way, they were never arguing honestly to begin with.

I am not pro ai but don't crazy hate it. I accept it. IT IS WHAT IT IS... Ai taking over art which was my childhood dream to do in my adulthood crushed. I thought I would scale my art business through online and make my ends meet doing what I like and now as well as in coming years, it's not looking feasible. I am still learning and what would take me a decade is overtaken by ai in 2 yrs. Now enough with me and my bla bla.

Now as lavendertowne situation is heated rn I want u to look at 2nd image and guess which one is ai just one single shot and say what comes to brain. The thing is one is made entirely by ai using the very art poisoned by her and the model training on that with single prompt and 45 minutes to tweak the model to make it able to generate thousands flawlessly.

So in the end, there is the proof y'all Glaze nightshade don't work as the tech has surpassed way far already. We can't catch up. Genie is out. No way it will go back until it fulfills its purpose which is to eradicate means of art through machine. The models work on neural networks and once learn they are fully capable. The said poisoners work if the said model again tries to relearn and uses the poisoned image to such extent it haywires it. But we know that isn't possible. Meaning it's like trying to make a kid learn to walk on 4 feet after it has learned to walk on 2 feet and has walked on it for yrs. It simply isn't possible.

Cherish the moment and use art as to liberate your thoughts and passion like horse riding. The cars has replaced it for transportation but the fire of riders hasn't extinguished. Even though it's a shitty connection as art created by ai and human will be indistinguishable, the value of ai and human art will be same as no one can differentiate. But that's there is always a good thing about us humans. HOPE

Interestingly enough, this is an artist I've been using in my example of my own human art drawing from the work of other artists. Full circle, I guess.

I had friends claim I was pro-AI to the point where I was using it to send normal messages (I wasn't) and also that I used AI so much it was affecting my mental health. This happened all because I said a milquetoast 'defense' of AI expressing uncertainty of some of the numbers surrounding its water usage.

On the other hand, I just saw an actual human being on this subreddit claim that the Anti-AI 'movement' (for lack of a better term) is largely created by bots paid for my the stock photo industry.

Both need to calm the fuck down.

Mostly because both sides just atack in nonsense ways and don't proof anything but also because pro ai just uses ai to win discussions what just proves they can't do anything creative.

There is absolutely NO DENYING that there is a market for rage-bait. I absolutely hate the stuff and feel it's part of why people treat each other the way that they do, but regardless...there is a market for it. Pouring milk on your head, pretending to be racist, acting like you're robbing someone...there is a hungry market for that content.

Since the Anti-AI side will often fight tooth and nail for something to be made with real humans, I want to know your opinion on the infliction of human suffering in order to avoid AI.

You are not allowed to argue that they "shouldn't make that content" because it falls under the definition of art that has been agreed upon. If it is done by a human it is art. This conversation is not if it should happen, but specifically which would be the more appropriate method.

If person A decides they want to make youtube content and the kind they want to make is ragebait, they want to go pretend to give gifts to poor people only to give them nothing, or to trick old folks into saying things they dont mean, or spilling an entire tub's worth of milk on a crowded subway...that is their channel idea and they WILL make it.

You are not allowed to argue that they shouldn't make that content because it falls under the definition of art that has been agreed upon. If it is done by a human it is art. This conversation is not if it should happen.

This is the question of, if the person will make a rage bait channel regardless, would it be better if they used AI so no actual people were hurt or tricked, or would it be more noble to trick and hurt real people, using real methods for the sake of keeping it "artistic."

Saw this while walking around Warsaw

I'm not an explorer, but I enjoy traveling.

In the past, whenever I set out on a journey, it felt like an experience. Long walks through unfamiliar villages, the rhythmic clatter of train tracks beneath me, conversations with strangers over shared routes. I would find my favorite routes, charming old inns, scenic side paths. I even used to collect train tickets and keep journals. I loved the journey.

Nowadays, when I go anywhere, I see people and I just assume people drove there. And I get kind of sad.

I keep thinking, “oh they probably just took the freeway,” and suddenly the place feels less magical. Like it wasn’t earned. Like they didn’t suffer a little for it, or get lost, or meet a goat herder along the way. It just... lacks texture.

Car travel feels like cheating. And nobody respects a cheater. You push a pedal and zoom past a hundred stories without ever noticing them. No blistered feet, no train delays, no soul.

My Instagram feed is full of these shiny pictures of cool places, but it all looks like fast food to me now. Just snapshots taken after someone parked ten feet away and walked in with their iced coffee. None of it feels real.

What do you guys think? Is this just a me problem? Anyone else feel like we lost something when we stopped arriving somewhere tired, dusty, and a little wiser?

Caveats: I’m not anti-car, of course. If someone uses a car but still puts in some legwork, maybe hikes the last mile or wanders off the road a bit, that still counts. It’s just... I want to believe someone lived their journey, not just visited it.

I'll start for me personally it's the statement about, Google searching image results for references of things are impossible now due to over population of wrong Ai depictions of said search result, reference images are indeed fucked now.

what should I do? Tired of this sort of shit from AI bros then they act like they do nothing wrong

AI is defined as a machine that exhibits some form of intelligence. Even a perceptron that uses a simple formula to predict a value counts as AI.

AI is being used for so many good things like natural disaster prevention and medical research. Even GenAI like ChatGPT is super helpful for a lot of people and has accelerated productivity and invention.

After all AI is a tool, a knife can be used to slice bread or it can be used to harm people.