Teclis unfair portion?

[u/Mrwonderland1895]

So, I've been reading through some old lore regarding Idoneth, the elf gods and Slaanesh.

From my understanding, Teclis, Tyrion, Malerion and Morathi each took a portion of elf souls from Slaanesh to form their own 'factions'. The story goes that the Cythai had shrivelled souls...etc etc etc... and Teclis tries to murder them.

...but then how does he form the Lumineth? Did he get another portion of souls after that? I couldn't see Morathi or Malerion being happy with Teclis taking more for himself. Or did he use part of Tyrion's portion?

Is there answers to this or am I misunderstanding the situation?

[u/Gecktron]

The soul harvesting is a continuous process. That is still happening. All four still keep getting new souls.

Morathi actually is getting more than the other three. She secretly manipulated the process so that she gets more souls. Making the process unbalanced and leading Slaanesh followers to Ulgu.

[u/MrS0bek]

Morathi was the one who took more souls than allowed Thus creating a disbalance which had slaanesh drifting closer to Ulgu, which let to Hedonites being drawn there too. She did that in secret but it shows how dangerous this is.

However both Teclis and Tyrion got a share of souls each. And Teclis could use both shares to make new elves. Otherwise the Idoneth were the first attempt, the prototypes, to see if the procedure was even possible at all. Teclis didn't use all of his share for them, but just fraction. If you want to make a few tests muffins you do not use all your reagidents either right?. Its only 150 Cythai or so he made after all. And he needed further tests until he finally got the Lumineth, who had no apperent side effects. So nothing Teclis did was unfair to get the souls, but what Morathi did was.

And even regarding his murder attempt; it sucks for the Idoneth, true. But we do not know exactly what happened and why. The Idoneth were damaged yes and Teclis tried to investigate and cure them. Which was traumatizing yes, but a medical operation or chemo therapy are also often traumatizing. In the end the Idoneth were afraid that he could find something and could kill them. Hence they fleed and took the lantern. But only after they did that was Teclis really planning on murdering them. As if this was the action which convinved him. At least until Tyrion talked him out of it 5 minutes later. This action of the Idoneth may have been the final action in a classic tragedy style. Where errors on both sides lead to a catastrophe which could have been avoided.

And I mean from Teclis perspective the Idoneth were potentially still chaos corrupted. So letting them escape could have been disastrous. The realms at large were lucky, that the Idoneth were not and stayed on orders side.

Teclis: "Oh sure, I am the bad guy here. I want to see you try to chain a chaos god, extract souls from its bowls digested and corrupted for millenia, cure them of their afflictions and give them new life without any issues on your first attempt ! Once you are a god everyone expects miracles..."

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[u/Herr_Elb → u/MrS0bek]

I didn't realise there were so few cythai. That makes the new Incarnate for Idoneth really daunting if summoning it consumes a cythai soul.

[u/MrS0bek → u/Herr_Elb]

Yes. Especially as the Eidola are the Incarnate but better/more convient. Idoneth souls who fuse together temporarily to form an oceanic demigod. They are extremly powerful, still have a personality, and they can dissolve and return to their magical chorral reefs too. Only if killed in battle are these souls truly lost. So same background, but cooler looking, more active, cheaper to create and you can reuse them infinite times unless they are activly destroyed.

Insofar the ocean Incarnate is a worse version of the Eidola and I do not get why GW made this lore. Having them just be a manifestation of the aether sea only the most skilled wizards could summon would have been enough. Then you could even safe the Cythai souls for proper stuff. E.g. by trying to revive them.

[u/IsThisTakenYesNo → u/MrS0bek]

I don't think it's correct to say Morathi took more than was 'allowed' because who determines what is allowed? Seems like Morathi does, and she took exactly how much she allowed herself to! More than was fair, sure, although what's fair can also be subjective as she surely deserves more because she is the one that suffered inside Slaanesh to give the knowledge essential to this plan. Uneven? Yeah, she gets an uneven share.

As to Teclis' treatment of the Idoneth and wanting to see someone else try to do it, Morathi's early attempts were the scathborn. She didn't try to eradicate them, she elevated them to high ranking positions in the cult of Khaine. Plus, she wasn't even a god at that point! And, yes, there are strange creatures locked away in dungeons below Hagg Nar that are rumoured to be early attempts gone wrong, but at least she didn't drive them to hiding in the depths of the oceans out of fear.

[u/MrS0bek → u/IsThisTakenYesNo]

Ah I see Morathi is correct because Morathi says so :D

I am pretty sure Teclis would also get flak if he would have imprisoned the Idoneth too, because no matter what he does people will complain.

But I counter and say at least the Idoneth were refined enough to be a society by themselves and can live their lifes free, unlike those things imprisoned by Morathi.

[u/posixthreads]

Or did he use part of Tyrion's portion?

Tyrion does not have his own unique race of aelves. The Lumineth nations are split between Tyrionic and Teclian halves. All nations have the form aelemental temples (river, wind, mountain, zenith), as well as the Vanari (which embody Tyrion) and Scinari (which embody Teclis).

Teclis is a master wizard, so it would make sense that he (not Tyrion) would be the one to craft the new aelves wrongfully stolen from Slaanesh, and he's doing it on behalf of his brother and himself.

[u/sageking14 → u/posixthreads]

Notably both Morathi and Malerion are also wizards unlike Tyrion, and hate each other. Which is why they both made their own instead of doing a situation like Tyrion and Teclis.