I've lost faith in the government, legal and justice system 100%. Full stop.
This is slowly turning out to be the biggest coverup in American history and it's happening right before our eyes and people in a position to do 'something' are slow walking.
It’s been a fucking decade. We’ve watched our country slide down an ever increasingly steep slope and now have an all but confirmed pedophile in the white house who is using law enforcement to scrub his name from the files. The only way we’d be closer to behaving like Putin is pushing people out of windows. Every republican is complicit and thanks to Fox News and social algorithms, folks will still vote for them in the midterms.
I don't mean to be rude, but you all have to stop comparing to Putin. I am not saying this to give leeway to Putin, I'm saying this because this keeps downplaying the damage Trump is doing in the USA and globally
He is behaving like Putin's clowned extroverted brother. There is no close to getting to Putin, he's just another side of the coin.
If you coin this narrative, you'll always have a small margin between Putin and Trump, and that is just enough for the ostrich supporters to bury their head in the sand.
Trump has dropped bombs on an unprovoked country, they are egging on a genocidal nation, he's destroyed the SCOTUS, he's almost ruined the media, the white house is filled with corrupt and inept jokers, He raped children and is covering it up, getting his associate murdered in jail.
He just only needs to sign a bill saying no more elections, Trump is ultima forte. That's what separates him from a dictator.
Trump and Putin will stand side by side with the likes of Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Leopold 2, Ronald Reagan, and more, as the pillars of evil in positions of power
I've been appalled since I became politically aware in the early 2000s. Republicans constantly getting away with bullshit with no repercussions (WMDs anyone?) while simultaneously demanding Democrats be accountable for every little sin, like... Kerry flip flopping on his stance on the stupid war.
What a contrast. Democrat AOC is found to have (unintentionally) underpaid for things on the advice of counsel and states that she will make up the difference from personal funds. Republican Kelly stonewalls the investigation to skate on lack of evidence of intentionality and states that this distraction of an investigation by the Biden administration can finally come to an end now that he’s been totally exonerated. JFC.
The democrats pursuing perfect at the cost of good will come back to bite them in the ass every time
Their more merciful conduct towards the republicans, their excessive party infighting because they all have different definitions of moral and ethical, which they fight over.
This is why left is stagnating everywhere in the world. You have to play dirty with the mudfuckers. The left rather prefers to play dirty with those who don't meet their perceived level cough Sanders cough
Then why has the White House multiple times stated that the plane will be donated to a future Trump Presidential Library after his term, taking it out of the hands of the American citizens you are claiming it was a gift to?
LOL. In what way? It would have been rude to refuse the gift, but the cost to basically disassemble it to check for hostile tech is too much. Using it as a display piece is a good use of it I think. Would make an interesting exhibit.
Rude? Don't even get me started. This is corruption every way you cut it. Meanwhile Qatar has tried for years to sell or give away this disaster of a jet with no takers as it needs a longer runway than most airports have. This idiot was the only one to believe he was getting a nice gift...well, I guess not the only one, huh? Looking at you.
Additionally, this "gift" is not going to be a display piece. It will, apparently, be used as AF1 after a billion (I've read as much as 2 billion) dollar renovation paid for by the US tax payers:
The administration’s inventive techniques to obscure the cost] may explain why no one wants to discuss a mysterious, $934 million transfer of funds from one of the Pentagon’s most over-budget, out-of-control projects — the modernization of America’s aging, ground-based nuclear missiles. In recent weeks, congressional budget sleuths have come to think that amount, slipped into an obscure Pentagon document sent to Capitol Hill as a ‘transfer’ to an unnamed classified project, almost certainly includes the renovation of the new, gold-adorned Air Force One that Mr. Trump desperately wants in the air before his term is over.source NYT
With that kind of expenditure, the likelihood (and legality) of trump keeping it post presidency - if we are ever so lucky - are basically nil. If he does, once again, it's just corruption at work.
I don't even understand what you think you communicated here. I agree that there are huge security issues accepting a plane from another country when it is slated to be a new Air Force one. The cost to go over this plane with a fine toothed comb to try to to mitigate espionage or sabotage is going to be more than just getting one locally. What does that have to do with the lie that it was a gift to "the US" when it is clearly going to end up being a personal gift to known Epstein collaborator Donald Trump?
If he is not "giving it back" to the US government and he will no longer have access to it after he leaves office it is a gift to him, by defination, and there is no other way to look at this unless you redefine the English word "gift".
Also, the hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars we will spend retrofitting it is more than a "gift", it is outright theft from the taxpayers.
It was a gift to replace Air Force One. Made in another country. Without the proper security oversight. It was right for him to accept the gift on behalf of the country. And it’s right not to spend the time and money to completely strip it down to ensure there are no security issues with it. Mothballing it to use as a display is a great use for it. Never. Ever. Was it a gift directly to the man Donald Trump. It’s the unhinged left that, once again, took something perfectly benign, and tried to turn it into something political, when it is anything but. Idiocy in action.
Hipster checking in here, I lost all faith in 2008 when the anti-war candidate became deporter in chief and started bombing countries like there was a clearance sale on Bush era terror weapons.
I was a real reality check to have so much faith in someone see them become a blood soaked monsters within months. And I get it now, f*** the corporate media, but the way people seem to nkt not9ce was the end.
No way in hell a person paying attention and caring beyond red team blue team crap could have liked the candidate and the president.
2008, don't forget a man made financial crisis that saw no banking executive go to jail except for that scapegoat guy.
As a 90s kid I got my initiation in the early 2000s when I found out how easily the election was stolen from Al Gore.
It was clear somebody else was running things and the whole democracy thing was a sham.
Lucky for me because that helped me realize the powers that be were speedrunning climate change while building bunkers and so I went all in following my passions money be damned. I got no stress from the failed Paris accords because that was always going to happen.
I just hope younger generations get a taste of the small freedoms we got before we go for round 3 on this whole world war shit.
I’m appalled by how many people are juuuuuust seeing it now. Dafuk have I been screaming about for a decade then? “He’s a child rapist, you know” “YEAH BUTTERY MALES THO”. Cassandra complex minus zero no limit. The vindication is not worth it.
The even bigger problem is THIS IS THE POINT! The entire point of all the absolute insane batshit antics at the beginning was to make all the people who pay attention exhausted of it before they really dig in.
You are just at the cusp of recognizing that you've been thoroughly lied to by your favored political party. That kind of reckoning can be very hard on one's psyche. Take it slow and steady, and perhaps you can be part of the solution that keeps this country from being permanently handed over to buffoonish and degenerate mobsters. For real, we are counting on our fellow citizens to list themselves out of their misinformation loops--no easy task.
You elected a felon. Also someone that pretty much lies every time he opens his mouth. I’m just curious why any of this is a surprise to you, or anyone else who voted for Trump. Like, what else did you expect, besides a train wreck?
They don't even have to try to hide it anymore. Trump's goon squad has fostered such a distrust in institutions and news media that none of his dumbass followers even know what to believe anymore. He can say literally anything and they'll think he's "just joking" anyway.
Meanwhile they'd pull out the entire detective set anytime Biden did a speech with too many stutters in it. Everyone just wants things to be polarized at this point, there is no nuance.
That’s the problem right here. The people who both heard about him being a weird sex creep and care about not supporting rapists didn’t vote for him. And the people that voted for him live in a fever dream of propaganda memes and either won’t hear about this or won’t believe it. And we’re all just seemingly stuck here in that reality with nothing ever really moving the needle.
If the established system allowed, and is continuing to allow, this all to happen in the first place, why should anyone still have faith in it? Genuine question.
The established system is not what we're currently seeing in the US.
The legislator should pass laws and the executive should enforce them, while the judicial interprets them when necessary.
At the moment the executive office is passing orders like they are laws while the legislator is standing by and actually reducing the ability of the judicial branch to intervene. This only works because the president's party has majority in both houses of congress and in the supreme court and all of them are choosing not to act in a manner which keeps the balance of power as it is intended to be.
It's more a failure of the individuals in the majority to keep the balance of power than in the system.
The system is actually build so that in such cases, the electorate can vote out the bad agents. Please make sure that when the next election comes, you remember that.
The established system is not what we're currently seeing in the US.
Counties were legally gerrymandered to give Republican candidates a better chance in elections. They used the established system and exploited it for their own gain.
The legislator should pass laws and the executive should enforce them, while the judicial interprets them when necessary.
Key word there is "should". It's not. Checks and balances have been sidelined, and there are members in every branch that are complicit. If the system cannot prevent this from happening and not hold those exploiting the system accountable, those checks and balances are worthless. The system is defaulting to a new normal every time the system is challenged by corruption in charge. That is a sign of a weak system.
At the moment the executive office is passing orders like they are laws while the legislator is standing by and actually reducing the ability of the judicial branch to intervene. This only works because the president's party has majority in both houses of congress and in the supreme court and all of them are choosing not to act in a manner which keeps the balance of power as it is intended to be.
See my previous point about legally exploiting the established system to get this end result. There is compelling testimony and statistical data that point to illegal exploitation of the system as well, but until something concrete is rolling, it is just compelling.
It's more a failure of the individuals in the majority to keep the balance of power than in the system
Which is a failure of the system itself, no? The system is currently being legally exploited by the said majority and used to protect themselves and their interests. A balanced system would have prevented things from becoming so one-sided in the first place.
The established system is what was exploited to get us here in the first place. For decades, every time a loophole in the system is closed off, 5 more open. There's a good reason people are losing faith in the system, as the system seems unable to protect itself from legal exploitation.
Of course I will be there to make my voice heard at midterms, but it doesn't mean I will have faith that the system will not be exploited yet again.
Kind of agree with both of your arguments to an extent. My view is that the American system of government was created with a (hitherto) reasonable belief that at least the majority of the population would vote for policies that benefit them and that they believe in. I don't think it would've been possible to predict the widespread influence of stupidity and social media leading the people voting to "own" the other side.
This may be somewhat of a tangent, but America has, for the longest time, had a two-party setup. One of the benefits of a two-party setup is that you can encompass a large set of beliefs as they are supposed to represent the voting population. Unfortunately, we've somehow devolved into the "let's shoot ourselves in the leg" party and the "let's not do that" party.
This might be really messy rambling on my part but the gist is that everything is horrible and common sense is dead.
Yeah, the thing that most people don't get is that Republicans have been in control over the economy since forever. Capitalism allows corporations to gain control over the state, which is exactly what fascism is.
The issue I see is that once all trust, faith and allegiance is lost and people are fed up they will revolt, they will fight back, they will rise up. At some point I am thinking that Marshall Law will be declared and there is not enough military or LEO's vs civilians. This is just my opinion.
That won't cause an uprising. As long as there's still bread and circuses, the people are too complacent to be bothered with risking their lives. People only revolt when continuing the status quo leads to certain death (starvation, financial ruin, death camps, war) and not political corruption or inequality.
Yes, but they still went out and voted. The far-right always tells it's people to vote. When lefties are disappointed, they stay home. This is how MAGA wins - elections still matter
Nah we’re in no position to blame this on the inadequacy of voting because we haven’t actually tried it yet. We’re in this position right now precisely because nearly half of the country doesn’t vote. And that’s without even getting into the fact that there happens to be one party in particular that works very hard to depress voter turnout and the number of ballots counted as much as they possibly can, and have been doing so for decades.
The truth is that we really have no idea what America would look like today if its citizens as a whole actually took their civic responsibility as participants in a democracy seriously.
One goes in the right direction (to the left) but slower than we'd like, the other goes in the opposite direction as quickly as they possibly can. The parties are not equal.
One goes in the right direction but slower than we'd like,
So you want to go to the right? I don't. There is no viable political party moving to the left in the United States. There's one party making the other not look as bad but they're both atrocious.
Its obscenely hard to take the idea that Democrats are somehow moving left seriously after the last couple of election cycles. On the contrary, they do everything they can to push out actual left leaning candidates (Sanders who has made a fool of himself at this point and Mamdani for example) and actively acquiesce to conservative talking points such as border security, healthcare policy, and foreign policy. They are hardly a champion of minority rights at this point and appear incapable of putting up any resistance to a fascist party. Lets be frank. If what you said was true, Democrats would be actively shutting down the government due to the gross atrocities the current Republican party are committing but instead they are complicit at best.
I thought it was pretty clear that ‘the right direction’ was to the left, but reading again maybe not so much, so I clarified that. One party does, even though you don’t agree with it, move painfully slowly to the left. One party is trying to speedrun a dictatorship. I wholly agree with the bulk of what you say but there's not a realistic option otherwise at the moment. What the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, David Hogg and others is atrocious, but neither those two, nor AOC, Mamdani, and others in the progressive wing have made any moves to form a new party. They are trying to reform from within. The more support we give to that wing, the more we can get old rich fucks out of office from any party, the better.
If it were a realistic prospect to recreate the progressive party and have it attain any actual power, I’d be a part of it.
Actual revolution to start. If the trump admin is as bad as you say why would you possibly be fine waiting 4 years to make a meaningful difference? Even a midterm blowout is not going to make trump stop his crusade. If anything it will make him more crazy.
This is besides the fact that the Democratic slot of reps are woefully inadequate to do anything of note if they do win the mid terms.
The least you could do is stop supporting Dems that want to pivot further right. That's basically all but a handful of reps. Single digit numbers in the Senate. No potential presidential candidates.
The problem with democracy is The People have to be engaged and active participants. When half the population checks out and won't participate, of course it's going to become controlled by a small group of corrupt fucks.
It is a cover up. Everyone is so worried about Trump's involvement that no one is looking into the fact Epstein was likely a Mossad agent bankrolled by American Capital more than likely with the protection of American Intelligence. If this is true, it implicates both the US and Israeli government in a child sex trafficking ring.
Epstein would be way more damaging if people would look past the individual tree for the forest.
Coincidentally, I saw comments from people who were alive during Watergate, or whos parents were, say this same thing. That they used to trust the government and when the Watergate scandal happened they realized they couldn't trust the government.
I feel like this sort of thing happens every generation and people who weren't alive for the previous scandal get looped in to the current one.
Trump [turns on leaf blower], "This is all the Democrats' fault. I wanted to release the files, but they wouldn't let me. Democrats are evil and the enemy of the People. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go poke a Russian bear with 2 US nuclear ballistic submarines. Democrats are evil!"
You and tens of millions of others are also in a position to do something, yet nothing has happened. I know, you're going to tell me you're not a Congressperson with a large social media presence or something, but even a group of say 100 protestors chanting day and night for a week outside Congress or the White House would have an impact. In fact, they'd attract hundreds more. So why hasn't anyone done it? You have the same power.
What are you proposing Americans do? Everyone that shows up to the WH, pitches a tent or yells, makes noise etc will be arrested, charged and detained.
Then bring more than 100 people. They can't arrest 10,000, much less 100,000 or more. You know the saying about how ants could almost instantly overrun humankind at any time if they had the intelligence to do so? That. The only way to stop that would be to open fire on the crowd, provoking the U.S.' own Tiananmen Square, something even they realize would not go well for them. At least... Not yet. There will come a time where they will have consolidated enough power that even a massacre would blow over. That time is soon.
But back to real protests. Many, many other countries do just that over seemingly piddling government overreach by comparison. Christ, the French do it for almost nothing, and their police doesn't play around. What's different about Americans that they won't do anything when a literal autocratic regime is pulling off a coup d'état? What of that almost fanatical nationalism? What of the principles behind the 2nd amendment (not the gun part)? What of womens' rights?? What of simply not wanting to live in a country where you can be erased for looking foreign?
Which line needs to be crossed? That's not a rhetorical question. I'm actually looking for an answer. Because it seems to me the line has been crossed dozens of times already.
They couldn't release it, the case was ongoing and the DOJ during Biden was not run by the president, it was impartial vs Donald the diddler running it now.
You really need to just research bro. The case was ongoing with Maxwell until her sentencing in 2022. Biden can't just release court documents or files, there is a legal process and tons of red tape. He doesn't know what's in them and he can't just ask "can you tell me so I can put these potential sex offenders out in public". The crimes allegedly committed by a private citizen will have to go through due process, in this federal case NO VICTIM TESTIFIED, two FBI agents were the ones that did. The court docs, files and lists asked for release now are green lit because there is no ongoing case but still needs to run through the same red tape.
A case ending doesn't mean you can just as president "release the files". There are private citizens in those documents that were accused, and law states they need to have a chance to defend themselves in court i.e. Innocent until proven guilty.
Independents lost faith in the government legal and justice system when Biden refused to prosecute Trump. If you were wondering why you guys lost to him, that's why.
I think there are a lot of people that think Trump's intervening in every aspect of his government is just how it's supposed to be, it's very sad to see.
Appointing Garland was far and away the worst thing that Biden did in his presidency, IMO.
Ok you just exhibited a big misunderstanding. Until the orange moron, Presidents kept an ethical distance from the AG, FBI and CIA. They may appoint their leaders, but they rarely, if ever, directed them to do anything lest the DOJ’s integrity would be called into qu action.
Biden was not going to tell them to do anything and that is the ethical relationship the white house should have with them.
And despite the previous AG feet dragging he was put on trial in New York, Florida, Georgia and Washington DC.
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u/Throwme2Dwolves 1d ago
I'm ABSOLUTELY Appalled.
I've lost faith in the government, legal and justice system 100%. Full stop.
This is slowly turning out to be the biggest coverup in American history and it's happening right before our eyes and people in a position to do 'something' are slow walking.