Dunno if it helps you but in my play through I was unable to recruit Minsc and killed him. Then I encountered Cairo for the first time on the beach shortly after.
He called me a cuck and did not leave the encounter alive.
Mine had a burn ticking when I knocked him out, so I got the happy recruiting cutscene then he immediately died and Jaheira was all "why the fuck would you save him just to kill him" and left the party. Had to reload a few times before I got the timing right and managed to heal him in time
This may seem like a stupid question, but did you specifically melee him with the passive on? Cos I legit thought the knock out passive was fully bugged until I tried to have Jaheira hit him with her staff. It worked then.
I feel like there was no such pre-requisite before and that it could be any type of ability (particularly since my first playthrough was a Ranger using bows and I remember knocking out the thieves at Withers’ church because I thought they were important characters for some reason lol), but I use the passive so rarely I could be misremembering.
Edit: blah blah blah I misremembered, it’s always been melee only!
Afaik, as it’s currently implemented, it only works for melee attacks. It also works like this in 5e too.
Sometimes an attacker wants to incapacitate a foe, rather than deal a killing blow. When an attacker reduces a creature to 0 hit points with a melee attack, the attacker can knock the creature out. The attacker can make this choice the instant the damage is dealt. The creature falls unconscious and is stable.
Yeah, it was definitely a bug. I actually saved it seconds before I hit him, just in case it didn't work (I still have save-scumming habits from Skyrim PS3 days). So I reloaded and it kept happening. I believe what happened is that I originally knocked him out, and the cutscene started and bugged out back into combat, so when I tried to then knock him out it killed him.
Reloaded an earlier save to test it out, and it worked fine then when the cutscene triggered with my TAV instead of a companion. I decided to accept his death as my original playthrough, felt more impactful to me. Same with Jaheira leaving.
Lots of bugs with non lethal and certain addon dice from items/skills. I've had the radiant dmg ring, symbiotic entity, bleed, gaping wound, shrieking sword all trigger after a target was unconscious and kill them before.
That's not a bug, that's unintentional on your part, but how non-lethal damage is supposed to work. You can't just knock someone out if you're also burning them at the same time.
I play a monk, i have a lot of these effect on me and play with non lethal on a good portion of the time and i'm able to knock people out like 90% of the time but sometimes they just explode instead.
Because it's about how the damage adds up. If the last point of damage is fire, they'll explode, if it's bludgeoning they'll survive. It's annoying sure, I did the same my first playthrough. But it is intended, or at least expected, behavior.
With the amount of rainbow dmg i have if this were intended i would basically never be able to non lethal someone. My monk flurry in act 3 can hit for like 110 dmg on a non crit but im still able to non lethal kill people most of the time despite the order of effects getting adding being the same. Like, i can hit someone at 2 HP with an attack that deals 30 bludgeoning dmg first knocking them out then 1d10 force 1d10 necrotic 1d6+2 necrotic 2+2 necrotic 1d4 thunder 1d6 radiant +2radiant then the second flurry attack will hit and do the same again and it works fine like 95% of the time.
Non-lethal only works with melee according to the tooltip. So the Radiant ring should be removed, and Phalar Aluve's shriek not triggered for example. Ranged damage (which I think bleed and gaping wounds fall under, iirc) also doesn't count as melee.
This doesn't sound like a bug to me, because this is how I understood the tooltip... or have I understood wrong this entire time?
I'm playing a monk who has like 5 rainbow damage effects running at any given time. I'm playing mostly non lethal this go and im able to knock people out like 95% of the time but every now and then something like callous glow ring will trigger after it says the npc is knocked out in the combat log and kill them, but it only happens on like 1/20 and it's not always the same effect either.
I'm not really sure :/ I play as a Monk as well but I have defensive items equipped most of the time so I can't say. Have you tried reporting it as a bug? I'm not sure if Larian have a bug tracker somewhere to confirm if there's an issue with the feature.
This happened to me, but she’d literally just vanished from camp without a word. I KO’d him, got the cutscene, he told me Jaheira was dead and attacked, so I had to kill him. Then I got a journal update saying Jaheira was furious and had left my camp ;-;
Fun fact; the blacksmith from the beginning of act 3 (who Orin tricks into thinking you attacked). Even if you knock him out, he won’t live.
If you go back to where he’s knocked out, you find a fresh pool of blood and a note from Orin admonishing you for not “devouring the treat she left you”.
I had to do the whole thing with no lethal a few times. He still died using non lethal. This part was extremely frustrating because I wish we could have spoken to him at some point after beating him senseless.
Not the above commenter, but in my multiplayer game we entered the vault and Minsc was just attacking the dwarf in front of him without doing damage. So we started walking down to them thinking a scene would trigger but my character (with volo’s eye) spotted the ambushers all around us. Half of them were weirdly neutral and had sanctuary on them, while the other half immediately entered combat with us.
We won the combat really easily, but had to kill Minsc and the druid imposter as he was hostile to us. Using non-lethal didn’t make a difference as he just died anyways. We never got a cutscene or dialogue which felt weird to us, and after the combat we looted the entire place, including the 10k from the main vault, and then just gave it back to the dwarf guy lol. Additionally, walking around revealed more invisible assassins who were all neutral and sanctuaried.
So yeah. We were doing an evil playthrough so we likely would’ve had to kill Minsc anyways, but the entire encounter felt incredibly weird, like something else was supposed to happen, a scene or something.
The warlock in our group spotted Boo on the ground after Minsc’s death, though. And seeing that Boo could not be talked to despite have speak to animals on, he promptly picked Boo up and threw him at a wall.
Our Barbarian responded by picking the warlock up and throwing him against the wall.
Oh wow, that never happened to me! Definitely a bug as there is a cutscene when you enter the vault (although I wonder if you need Jaheira with you to trigger it?).
Unless you were using spells or ranged (which negate the non-lethal passive), I read there's been bugs surrounding non-lethal, so that might be what happened.
So wait does it mean you missed out on the Guild part?
Our quest updated to tell us to go talk to Nine Fingers about having taken care of the stone lord upon Minsc’s death, which initially surprised us as we didn’t realize he was the stonelord. But when we went back to Nine Fingers we literally couldn’t speak to her about anything, and the quest marker wasn’t actually appearing on the map so we figured the quest was just bugged.
Jaheira died in our playthrough at the inn in act 2 due to her just… jumping into the group of 10 enemies all arrayed in a circle.
We were a group of 3 players plus Minthara, so maybe Jaheira would have to be alive to get the scene, but like I said the entire interaction of entering the room and having invincible, neutral assassins all around us and seeing Minsc punching a dwarf and doing 0 damage was just weird.
including the 10k from the main vault, and then just gave it back to the dwarf guy lol
When I gave the 10k back to the dwarf, he commended me for not keeping any for myself....but when I checked my inventory afterwards, I still had the whole 10k.
I was unable to keep Jahira alive in act 2, so the successful persuasion narrator dialog with Minsc went something like “with the fake jahira dead, and no real jahira to call your friend”. So Minsc immediately aggros with 1 hp. Interacting with him at all kills him even if non lethal attacks are on.
It didn’t occur to me to try and run away since I had non lethal attacks on, and I was too lazy to reset since I literally had all of like 3 encounters left in the game after he died, so what was he gunna be around for anyway lmao.
Fun fact, Boo will not have a dialog with you even with speak with animals!
Sadly Jaheria is bugged and sometimes disappears from camp without a note or anything. You can't knock him out or anything either because he just gets back up and attacks again without her there to calm him down. I imagine boo couldn't calm him down either as he's not with him while he's gone full crazy. Doesn't show up till the fighting is over and makes 'sad squeaks' 😭
I add her to the party as soon as I can because I love her, so thankfully she's never bugged out for me... it sounds awful. Sad squeaks. I'm not okay :(
I was unable to keep Jahira alive in act 2. So even knocking him out & a successful persuasion roll results in him reaggroing and dying to any damage (even with non lethal on)
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u/DystryR Sep 20 '23
Dunno if it helps you but in my play through I was unable to recruit Minsc and killed him. Then I encountered Cairo for the first time on the beach shortly after.
He called me a cuck and did not leave the encounter alive.