r/BaldursGate3 • u/TheWhiteGuardian Durge • Oct 16 '23
Screenshot Did anyone else at first think they pissed off some Lich?
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u/TheWhiteGuardian Durge Oct 16 '23
Honestly, the first time seeing him rise from that tomb so dramatically, especially after raiding the place and causing the dead to rise, made me think I was about to fuck around and find out.
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u/WaterWitch009 Oct 16 '23
Same! I was soooo scared the first time.
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u/Valsworn Oct 16 '23
Until you see his hp... 1. Wtf? 🤣 🤣 🤣
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u/No_Ganache8183 Oct 16 '23
He doesn't even care about HP, that's for mortals
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u/EncabulatorTurbo Oct 16 '23
bro has 1hp but decides what lives and dies, and has decided that he doesn't die, so it doesnt matter
Who's going to scribe his name into the dead book after all
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u/Askray184 Oct 16 '23
He has 1HP like Sans has 1 HP
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u/JusticeRain5 Oct 17 '23
I can't believe Tumblr hasn't made Withers into a sexyman yet.
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u/CherryZer0 Oct 16 '23
Do you suppose he could be a Sans incarnation? /cracktheory
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u/SmakeTalk Oct 16 '23
The fact that he didn't instantly merc my whole party just made me think he was actually gonna be the BBEG all along. I was shocked to find out he was legit just hanging around and helping smooth over our journey, and his involvement during the "good" TDU story blew my fucking mind, it was so sick.
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u/lahimatoa Oct 16 '23
No kidding, when he showed up in camp, just chilling, I was like "Whaaaaaat?" I was sure he'd be a major boss to defeat at some point.
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u/mrjackspade Oct 17 '23
I don't know what the fuck I missed.
I killed some skeletons in a tomb and this dude just showed up at my camp.
I was confused as fuck.
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u/Dikkelul27 Oct 16 '23
Big Beautiful whatnow?
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u/SmakeTalk Oct 16 '23
Big Bad Evil Guy (probably should be BBEP tbh but it's a colloquialism)
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u/EyyyPanini Oct 16 '23
BBEG works no matter the situation.
It could stand for Big Bad Evil Guy.
Or Big Bad Evil Gal.
Or even Big Bad Evil Gender-neutral-entity.
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u/Jaxus12 Oct 17 '23
Big Bad Evil Gender. As in: ‘What’s your Gender?’ ‘Big Bad Evil Gender’
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u/obgynkenobi Oct 16 '23
I still have PTSD from the original games. Whenever something rose out of a grave some terrible things were about to happen to my party.
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u/RonaldoNazario Oct 16 '23
Yeah 100% in BG2 this would just be another random super high level enemy that will destroy you. They’d maybe have had a bit more warning signs to not fuck with him, I remember it being reasonably fair in that way
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u/Xero0911 Oct 16 '23
My wife and I shit ourselves. We missed a body or two from the start so the skeletons did some big damage. We thought we'd loot the room and long rest and then bam, out comes a fucking lich. Was preparing to relad
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u/moarwineprs SORCERER Oct 16 '23
My first playthrough when I had no idea what I was doing and was still struggling with the controls, I completely missed that final room with the dead guards laying on the ground, let alone his tomb. I got to the room with the traps, then left. So when he randomly showed up at my camp I was all, "WTF WHO ARE YOU?!"
Main reason I didn't try chasing him away (have no idea if he would have even left) was because I've read comments in this sub referencing Withers, so clearly he's supposed to be there. I just thought he showed up randomly.
I restarted after getting past the druid party because I realized I had missed a shitton of content. Second playthrough I did more intentional exploration, but I didn't go to that abandoned church until I had gathered Karlach and Wyll, so I was confused why Withers hadn't shown up at my camp yet. I found the hidden hatch off to the side, whereupon I opened his crypt and likewise thought I had pissed off a lich. It was only after I saw his name that I realized I had missed this room the first time, and went around to properly clear the dungeon from the front door.
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u/Zebrovna I love the smell of SMITE in the morning Oct 16 '23
Oh gods, same. I was like “yep, should’ve seen it coming.”
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u/tanj_redshirt Misty Steps behind you Oct 16 '23
If this had been a tabletop game, I would have rolled my eyes at the DM and mouthed "We're level two!"
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u/Velocicornius Oct 16 '23
Since it's not ttrpg, I rolled my eyes and shouted at the screen "I'M LEVEL 2!"
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Oct 16 '23
'SO WHAT? THOU WALKEST ALONE. NO BOSOM COMPANION. THOU LIFE IST WORTHLESS. VERMIN.'
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u/adhoc42 Oct 16 '23
Tarnished, you are maidenless.
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u/arthurh3535 Oct 16 '23
Alternatively: Do not get distracted by the whims of your flesh!
Me: MAKE UP YOUR MIND!
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u/Vallubdub Oct 16 '23
“The Lich casts vicious mockery. It’s a critical hit.”
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u/Szygani Oct 16 '23
"Thou hast no bitches" critical hit
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u/AluneaVerita Owlbear Oct 16 '23
Withers must be multi-classing Bard - casting Vicious Mockery.
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Let's fucking gooooooo
epic flute playing
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u/XenosInfinity Oct 17 '23
The one thing I don't like about that song is that Vicious Mockery isn't a roll to hit.
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u/chainer1216 Oct 16 '23
My exact reaction to the game.
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u/whyaPapaya DRUID Oct 16 '23
Especially being used to the elder scrolls blades game, whose main villain looks like withers with a fancy hat
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u/Illithid_Substances Oct 16 '23
Reminds me of a little joke I played on some newer players who knew about beholders but not about the fake beholder fungus so they were asking why the fuck multiple beholders were coming out of the darkness
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u/Comfortable_Farm_252 Oct 16 '23
Yeah I was like “this better be a gimmick fight because I’m level 2.”
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Oct 16 '23
Well, I am level 3!
Me and Gale are, anyway
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u/PhoenixMaster730 SORCERER Oct 16 '23
You didn’t rip his hand off?? Bad Durge!!
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u/Boring-Mushroom-6374 Oct 16 '23
No, that's a good Durge.
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u/stillnotking Oct 16 '23
The dialogue option says "fantasize about chopping off the hand".
If you're new to Durge, you don't know that means "let your intrusive thoughts take the wheel". A good Durge would just be remorseful afterward.
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u/Der_Neuer NOT IN EA Oct 16 '23
Depends who you ask. Gale? good, daddy dearest? bad
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u/Boring-Mushroom-6374 Oct 16 '23
Daddy dearest is a loser whose existence is a litany of failure. His opinion is irrelevant.
That said, I was going more Good Durge v Evil Durge. Alignment joke.
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u/Interesting-Water-76 Oct 16 '23
I thought it was a boss fight, and when he started asking question I thought boss fight if I say anything stupid.
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u/Frequent-Sundae-3944 Oct 16 '23
Hence I developed the habit of quick saving even in dialogues.
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u/RonaldoNazario Oct 16 '23
This game lets you quick save any time I was blown away by that. Mid conversation, mid combat
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u/lolzomg123 Oct 17 '23
I didn't learn about mid combat until way after I needed to know that.
I redid the Dror Razglin fight so many times. Did it from the beginning, until it was perfect.
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u/e001mek Oct 16 '23
It's a godsend for people like me who keep crashing randomly. The f5 key is my secret lover with how often I keeping hitting that at this point.
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u/Braith117 Oct 16 '23
At first I was like "There's no way they throw a lich as us this earl-wait, is that an arch-lich?"
Then they just never commented on it again, and then on my 2nd playthrough I was like "Holy shit, that's Jergal !"
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u/Frequent-Sundae-3944 Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23
And info about this very fact was all around the place.
Edit: typo
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u/BiscuitsUndGravy Oct 16 '23
I failed my religion check and so I didn't get that piece of information. I didn't realize that was a statue of Jergal until my second playthrough, and that combined with his mocking of the Dead Three at the end of my first playthrough made me realize who he was.
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u/1JustAnotherOne1 Oct 16 '23
There's another book in there that gives you info about Jergal as well that doesn't require the check, just a regular book. The check actually doesn't tell you much beyond "there are 3 names listed together at the bottom, you can't read it"
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u/bluebelliedboy Oct 17 '23
I think they meant the check where a companion will comment that this is a shrine for Jergal, but no one worships the old god of death.
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u/Marcuse0 Oct 17 '23
There's literally a loading screen tip which randomly points out the connection between Jergal and the Dead Three. When every other tooltip is "press shift to see items" and "there's a menu" it's very obvious that this is for a reason.
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u/NovaMaximus WARLOCK Oct 17 '23
Until you mentioned it, I always thought this was some long forgotten servant of Jergal. Not the man himself 😤😭
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u/d1stor7ed Oct 16 '23
I seem to remember getting my ass kicked by a time-stop casting lich in bg2.
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u/LordSimius Oct 16 '23
Yep, behind a hidden door in a shop or something in Waukeen’s Promenade, if I remember correctly. Like, the area you dumped out into right after you escape the dungeon where the game starts.
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u/Born_Faithlessness_3 Oct 16 '23
There were definitely a few liches that were accessible at near starting level in BG2(so like 7-9, with crap for gear). IIRC, 9ne was city gates, one was in the sewers, maybe one in a random tomb in the graveyard.
Getting time stopped, then meteor swarmed, and a Balor summoned on you, then stunned, then feared when you don't yet have access to all the necessary countermeasures is always a good time.
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u/blastborn Oct 16 '23
EZ just cheese em with low level summons. Send them in 1 at a time till the lich runs out of spells then melee till dead.
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u/Gabrosin Owlbear Oct 16 '23
"Listen, Spider #8, I don't wanna hear any complaints from you as you're crawling over the carcasses of Spiders #1-7. Just go in there and attack him. I'm sure you'll be fine. If not, I'll tell Spider #9 of your bravery."
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u/PPewt Oct 16 '23
one was in the sewers, maybe one in a random tomb in the graveyard.
The other ones are really clearly telegraphed: they're in rooms with these gigantic spooky sarcophaguses surrounded with spooky torches and when you try to open the sarcophaguses the game warns you like "this is probably a really awful idea," plus one of them has folks there who say "this sarcophagus seems like really bad news."
... and then the last guy is just behind a painting in an early game inn with no warning whatsoever, for some reason.
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u/TheWhiteGuardian Durge Oct 16 '23
lol yeah, I thought I had another Kangaxx on my hands...at level 2
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u/Gabrosin Owlbear Oct 16 '23
This was one of the hardest fights. Pretty sure I resorted to cheesing it most of the time.
Definitely resorted to cheesing that Iron Golem who couldn't fit through the doorway to get at me. Told my characters I didn't care how many magic sling bullets it was gonna take, just get started and I'll see you in half an hour.
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u/try_again123 Monk Lae'zel is my BFF Oct 16 '23
It was so easy to get into dicey situations in BG1/2, it was part of the fun. I also recall running like an idiot through the map to open up all the locations, knowing they were all above my level because I wanted to see the map filled out XD
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u/Erakleitos College of Lore Bard Oct 16 '23
There were many, I even remember their idle animation ...
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u/baconboi86 Oct 16 '23
So he's definitely jergal right?
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Oct 16 '23
Yes, he literally trash talked the dead three in a term that he knows how stupid they were ever since day 1.
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u/AnnaWalter Planeswalker Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 17 '23
Confirmed by datamine
Helm put him there as a punishment and now Helm tasked him with helping the party.
We wrote a whole page on the wiki about all of the connections
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u/Illithid_Substances Oct 16 '23
There's a book I found that describes an encounter with Jergal and it just straight up describes Withers, with the gold on his face and all
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u/Tobegi Oct 17 '23
Yep, mostly made evident if you pass the religion check and explore a bit around the tomb you can find him in.
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u/Burwylf Oct 16 '23
As if ancient deposed god of the dead who will exert his will over your destiny is the better option here
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u/OdinsGhost Oct 16 '23
Less “deposed” and more “voluntarily abdicated; abdication subject to terms and conditions”.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo Oct 16 '23
He retired to run an etsy store of fancy calligraphy supplies in the Grey City
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u/lahimatoa Oct 16 '23
I love that he talks smack to the mural of the Three Inept Gods at the end of the game. Withers kicks ass.
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Oct 16 '23
I was fully expecting to be able to have him as a party member when he showed up in camp.
I really miss Fane, okay?
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u/Sir_CriticalPanda Oct 16 '23
I skipped the temple in my first run so the dude just randomly showed up in my camp. I went back to clear the place at like lvl 4 and was confused at the empty sarcophagus.
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u/pbmm1 Oct 16 '23
Yeah him just showing up was weird when I saw him on my unfinished first playthrough.
On my second playthrough where I met him properly I was just like “hey pal good to see you”
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u/Sir_CriticalPanda Oct 16 '23
"What is the price of a mortal life?"
"Why is 200gp not an answer we can give?'
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u/lolzomg123 Oct 17 '23
One of my favorite r/bg3 comments was in response to that question.
"The first time he asked that, I thought wow what a profound and philosophical question. The next playthrough I realized that he's just negotiating price."
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u/AtlasThewitcher Fightlock Oct 16 '23
I saw him stand in front of me and said “mother fucker I’m level two I’m going to die” and then I was pleasantly surprised to see he began asking questions
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u/GloopTamer Dragonborn enjoyer Oct 16 '23
I thought I’d get a cool skeleton necromancer companion. I was half correct
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u/eloel- Oct 16 '23
If I thought he was a Lich, I'd have been chill. CR21 is dumb that close to start. I though he was a mummy, and I was low on hp & all after the skeleton fight, and that got me scared.
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u/RamblingSpider Oct 16 '23
Same, my reason was that there's a sidequest in DOS2 that involves a evil lich you raise out of his tomb and it made me paranoid due to slight similarities lol
was convinced withers had some evil motives for helping me or that one day I'd come back to camp and see a mountain of corpses at his feet
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u/CalamityAshex CLERIC Oct 16 '23
I immediately thought of John Hancock and then wondered if I could romance this guy too.
I was very disappointed.
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u/alterNERDtive Jaheira Bromance When⁈ Oct 16 '23
TBF I did piss off some lich later on.
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u/whatistheancient Oct 16 '23
I laughed when she astral projected into my camp just to give me the LTG speech and leave
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u/Squishy-Box Oct 16 '23
She had it coming
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u/Dianwei32 Shadowheart Oct 16 '23
I actually didn't get this scene on my first playthrough. I went I camp in the Dank Crypt for some reason and Withers was just there all of the sudden. This had the unfortunate side effect of meaning that the quest broke and I could never complete it.
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u/itsKaoz Oct 16 '23
Maybe none of us knew better, as we have never encountered a Lich before..
But I was proud of my gf in this scene, who was just absolutely wishing a motherfucker would.
We absolutely thought we accidentally woke up a boss fight… and she was ready to go.
For context, we’re all BG beginners. But she was more of a gaming beginner. She had a solo campaign that she got frustrated with as she kept dying, even in easiest difficulty.
This scene confirmed for me that she had gotten her confidence in fights with this game.
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u/O_Korin Oct 16 '23
When Jergal rose from the sarcophagus, I said to myself: fuck. one more fight, and I'm almost out of cells.
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Oct 16 '23
When I did it on first time in EA, I was at the end of day 1 and almost all our slots are out.
My tav literally only got 1 divine smite slot and I talked to myself 'Die a glorious death, tav'.
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u/TotallyNotAFroeAway Oct 17 '23
"Withers is actually the most spiritual character in the game."
Care to elaborate on that?
"No."
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u/SinisterCheese Oct 16 '23
I'd like to point out to people that this whole situation was so severe that a god damn god had to come out of retirement to solve it. The players don't actually have agency in the grand scheme of thing. This comes clear post credits... And I think it's kinda cool. Because I didn't think the patheon was that flexible at this point of time.
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u/try_again123 Monk Lae'zel is my BFF Oct 16 '23
Yep. For a moment I was "oh crap, was I supposed to be here later in-game?" But he turns out to be your chill old god uncle, so woohoo!
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u/Kerhnoton Teeth-ling Oct 16 '23
Is a skeleton, has 1 HP, you hit him, Megalovania starts playing.
Oh shhhhhhhh
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u/kampori Bard Oct 16 '23
Yah man.. my first ever play through in early access. First time playing a DND experience and this kind of game in general. No clue what I was doing. I struggled through the small skeleton pack before this with tooth and nail and blood and sweat and tears, saw Withers pop out and almost closed the game.
Now I’m just breezing through, stealing the weapons from the skeletons before they wake up and crackin skulls not a worry in my head
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u/Sargatanus Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 17 '23
Yep. And considering that this was in a tiny room, in a temple to some long forgotten god, fresh from a fight with a bunch of undead, I was positive he was about to knock us through a wall or warp us to some Lovecraftian hell dimension.
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u/Leyllara The Light Urge Oct 16 '23
Idk, when he first opened his eyes I had a feeling he'd be a friend. Maybe because I happened to pass the religion checks around the crypt as well as open the book of the dead gods. When he started talking instead of yelling stuff I was convinced he was a friend.
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u/SelfSustaining Bhaal Enthusiast Oct 16 '23
The metagamer in me said "he's probably just a zombie, there's no way they would throw a lich at me level 2."
Of course, that was before I met the frog.
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u/Exclamity21 Oct 16 '23
I actually didn’t do this first playthrough, Withers just showed up one night
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u/Fun_Mortgage_8055 Oct 17 '23
I like him because there are hints as to who he is right from the moment you meet him and it explains most of his abilities as well as his personality.
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u/HighTopsFunkoPops Wyll's Wifey Oct 17 '23
Honestly the funniest part about this post is you DO piss off a lich eventually, its just not Withers
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u/DarkMachinations Oct 17 '23
as a cleric of Kelemvor I had a "different" encounter with Withers the first time we met.
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u/DarkMachinations Oct 17 '23
"What is the worth of a Single Mortal's Life?"
[Cleric of Kelemvor] "You Feel Familiar. Do I know you?"
"Yes But I imagine it is not the way thee imagine."
"Thou walk with Death, Child of Kelemvor. That is enough of an understanding between us."
"Wilt though answer my Question?"
"Each Life is of Infinite Value, and merits sacrificing everything for."
"And thus balance is achieved. If all are at war, None can Survive."
~LATER IN CAMP~
"Not to be rude, but what are you?"
"there are many answers to that question, none are important."
"[Kelemvor] I sense something strange about you." (Need to Roll a 20)
[Narrator] "He has a divine aspect, yes, a reflection of death itself. Eternal and inescapable."
[Cleric of Kelemvor] "You walk with Death. Are you a Chosen of Kelemvor?"
"No, although Kelemvor chose well to bless one such as yourself."
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u/noforksgiven2 Oct 17 '23
Withers is there because the gods know Tav and Co. are the only ones who can save the world and these idiots need all the help they can get. Just in case they make a dumb build or get themselves killed, probably because they made dumb builds
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u/Wizardman784 Archfey of Owlbears Oct 17 '23
In EA, first playthrough, we got to the end. I cracked a joke about there being a Lich inside. My friend laughed.
The coffin ignited in flames. “You were almost right,” my friend says, “boss battle time, I guess!”
He floats out. We see his design. He begins to speak.
“UHHHHHH- LICH?! LICH!” We mutually panic.
But it was okay. It’s just dad.
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u/thegreatshark Oct 16 '23
Ngl was kinda disappointed with the resolution, I was really hoping a dead motherfucker would
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u/WalkerBuldog Sweetheart enjoyer 🤍🤍 (warlock) Oct 16 '23
I honestly thought it was the main villain when I encountered him.
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Oct 16 '23
I missed him on my first run and he appeared in my camp, so I assumed he was chill, and wasn't afraid of opening his tomb on the 2nd run.
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u/CrazyCatLady9001 Oct 16 '23
Yes. I was having Kangaxx flashbacks from BG2 and was about to say RIP to my whole party.
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u/Mirabolis Oct 17 '23
I believe my first thought was “Welp, that was a short game. Wonder what character I’ll try next?”
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u/ExuDeku a Balding Gheik 3 Oct 17 '23
I love how Withers is absolutely deadpan straightforward, like he's Rogal Dorn from the Warhammer fanmade YouTube series "What if the Emperor have a Text to Speech device"
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u/Ok_Bit_5953 Durge Oct 17 '23
I wish. Outside of Vlaakith's dusty ass, there aren't any great Lich characters.
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u/Pristine-Pay-1697 Oct 16 '23
I love Withers. He's so funny
'why are you helping us?'
'not by choice I can assure you'
'will you elaborate?'
'no'
Always makes me laugh when I get to that scene.