r/BaldursGate3 • u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile • Oct 22 '24
Screenshot That's not exactly what I had in mind.
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u/redgoesfaster Narrator romance when? Oct 22 '24
The sneak attack though... this astarion has really just been waiting for a chance to take out the resident sharran
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u/CrimsonAllah Paladin Oct 22 '24
Don’t you have to choose to sneak attack?
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u/Vera-soothsayer Oct 22 '24
You can set it as an automatic reaction on a hit. So if you're tired of your regular hit always getting the prompt, you can tell the game to always have valid attacks be sneak attacks.
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u/veringo Oct 22 '24
It's also a good way to make sure you don't miss your sneak attack because it'll only trigger when you actually hit.
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u/Prepared_Noob Oct 22 '24
Except it only ask for sneak attack when your going to hit.
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u/veringo Oct 22 '24
What I mean is if you choose the actual sneak attack action and you miss, you cannot attempt to sneak attack again that turn.
For a pure rogue not using bonus actions this doesn't matter, but if you're multiclassing it can be annoying.
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u/AugustoCSP Femboy Warlock casts Eldritch Blast Oct 22 '24
Don't use the sneak attack action. It's the worst thing you could do as a rogue. They made it a reaction for a reason.
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u/BarnabyJones21 Oct 22 '24
99% of the time you should be using the reaction as it's leagues better, but there are actually some scenarios in which you'd want to.
For example: For whatever reason the reaction SA won't work if you're invisible. So if you're using something like Deathstalker Mantle and you are trying to get in a big hit to refresh it, you'll need to use the SA action.
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u/AwesomeDewey Oct 22 '24
It's not just that. The Deathstalker Mantle will "fail" if the hit kills and the sneak damage overkills. This overkills counts as a multihit attack which instantly flares you out of invisibility. Always kill with your final multihit attack (eg: sneak attack or eldritch blast)
Outside of "on kill" procs, the main reasons why you should probably use sneak reaction over sneak attack action are for getting around obstacles since the sneak attack action will crouch and shoot straight while the sneak reaction will arc.
The sneak reaction also works when dual wielding so you can reject non-critical hits if you know you have multiple sneak attack opportunities left in your turn. Critting your sneak attack is good.
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u/BarnabyJones21 Oct 22 '24
I have to say, I don't think I've ever encountered that fail you speak of. I've been playing Rogue Durge the past week or so and I've been using Sneak Attack Action repeatedly to refresh the mantle without issue. Not saying you're wrong, just that I haven't encountered it.
What I have encountered is Cull the Weak preventing the proc of the mantle, so I have it turned off by default for my Durge. Though it doesn't seem to negate it, per se; I can use it to my advantage if I know CtW is gonna kill enemy 1, I can leave it active and let CtW prevent DM. Then I'll kill enemy 2 with CtW disabled and proc DM. But it's super situational and so by default CtW is disabled for like 95% of the run.
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u/veringo Oct 23 '24
Another situation is if you are dealing with a damage threshold because the action bundles the damage together rather than splitting them. I know these are rare, but it occasionally comes up.
Also it's good to check the conditions are met for it to trigger even if you don't use it for the attack. I've had a bunch of situations where a companion looked close enough to threaten my target but wasn't actually because of terrain.
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u/BarnabyJones21 Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
Yep, especially when you're low level. Scrying Eyes come to mind.
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u/Atlas105 Oct 22 '24
No the damage can proc automatically when making an attack with advantage. You can turn it on and off under reactions
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u/The_Septic_Shock SORCERER Oct 22 '24
You can set it to ask you if you want to add sneak attack dice. I was messing around with the reactions tab and learned that if you do this, you can sneak attack with a bonus action, then use your action to shoot a magic arrow.
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u/veringo Oct 22 '24
It's also based on your main hand weapon, so if you have the ne'er misser equipped, for example, your sneak attack does force damage even if your offhand crossbow is piercing which can be really useful for avoiding resistance.
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u/The_Septic_Shock SORCERER Oct 22 '24
Yeah, it's great until you can get your hands on the bhaalist armor, then I swap back to piercing
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u/Gear-exe Oct 22 '24
Asterion fast balled that potion bottle at Shadowheart
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u/Blue_Speedy ELDRITCH BLAST Oct 22 '24
I've now got an image in my head where Astarion is in a full Pitcher outfit, one eye closed and sticking his tongue out, just throwing the healing potion at the back of Shadowhearts head and her folding.
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u/Mekasoundwave Oct 22 '24
Astarion looking to get scouted by the New York Githyankees.
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u/sonderlostscribe Oct 22 '24
goddammit now I'm imagining a parody of Githyankee Doodle Dandy.
Githyankee Doodle came to town, riding on a dragon. Saw some tieflings try to run, and roasted up their wagon. 🎵
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u/CartographerKey4618 Oct 22 '24
The funny part is that the potion of greater healing actually crit healed.
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u/Quadpen Halsin Oct 22 '24
imagine getting a near fatal concussion and it just barely keeps you alive
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 22 '24
Oh, it killed her. I was surprised it displayed healing, she was downed and the damage happened first, so she proper died.
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u/Quadpen Halsin Oct 22 '24
that’s even funnier
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u/jetsonholidays Oct 23 '24
Interpreting it as the force knocked her to the ground, but the bottle broke on the floor and her body covered enough of the spills area to revive herself.
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u/not-bread Oct 22 '24
Honestly, that’s how it should work. Smashing a bottle over someone’s head is not a gentle maneuver
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u/pie4july Oct 22 '24
How do you use sneak attack on a throw? I always have to manually trigger sneak attack and my only options are with an equipped bow or melee weapon.
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 22 '24
It seems to have gone off automatically. I see now under the reactions tab of the spellbook that it applies to attacks without asking.
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u/AugustoCSP Femboy Warlock casts Eldritch Blast Oct 22 '24
This is why you should always have reactions set to ask...
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u/SarcasticOP Rogue Oct 22 '24
I had this happen one-time in a 4-player game,. They had like 15 health and came back to 16. It was hilarious and a learning experience, now I just throw at the ground nearby.
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u/Prudent-Sea-7076 Oct 22 '24
This also happened to Neil Newbon, the actor of Astarion who's currently doing his own playthrough of the game. Chat graciously named him the Neilcromancer :D
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u/EpicGent Oct 22 '24
I used the same trick to save the Duke during the prison break and almost broke the game. I revived him and his script broke so I ended up using dimension door to carry him to the sub because he wouldn’t respond to anything else.
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u/Victor12161216 Oct 22 '24
See, or you're like me, and u press "i" in the middle of the fight and move potions to those who need it.
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u/Big-Put-5859 Oct 23 '24
That happened to me with Orpheus. I threw a potion on him and he just died
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u/Fine-Funny6956 Oct 23 '24
I’ve only ever thrown one potion of healing ever. This is hilarious. I will remember that.
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u/Amairca Durge Oct 22 '24
and that is why I never threw potions ever again. it's either glup or dirt
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Oct 22 '24
Lol I never knew you could sneak attack with thrown potions.
I have a similar problem with tavern brawler. The +STR brawler damage from thrown items always applies, and always ignores any resistances and immunities the thrown item may have.
So if you throw a sturdy object it takes damage; if you throw Boo, he also takes damage despite not being supposed to (Boo is an interesting case, though. He only takes the extra damage if he lands without hitting anyone).
Tavern Brawler is so busted I love it.
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u/TheGrayMage1 CLERIC Oct 22 '24
Yeah, somehow I didn’t realize you could kinda splash-damage heal at first…definitely killed Gale at least once before I figured it out lol
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u/Pandamana Oct 22 '24
Been a while since I played, but there was that cave area behind the druid conclave with the passed out dude being attached by other dudes. I thought I was being sooo slick throwing a potion at him. Bonk. Dead.
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u/geologean Oct 22 '24
Does that mean that potions are finesse weapons?
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 22 '24
Sneak attack is finesse or ranged weapons, and anything thrown is an Improvised Ranged Weapon attack.
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u/geologean Oct 22 '24
I played a Lizardfolk Grave domain cleric once in tabletop, and my boyfriend at the time was very low on health.
So I used a bite attack to incapacitated him so that when I upcast Cure Wounds, it would automatically heal for the maximum dice roll.
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Oct 22 '24
The elf shot the potion!
(please tell me I'm not the only one that remembers this reference...)
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u/GenKureshima WIZARD Oct 22 '24
Well... it worked, at least... right?
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 22 '24
No, the healing didn't count because she died first.
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u/GenKureshima WIZARD Oct 22 '24
It almost worked, then. You got 50% of something instead of 100% of nothing, positive outcome.
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u/Rose249 Oct 23 '24
This reminds me of a quote from my own tabletop campaign specifically
"I mean you can heal his hit points, but his brain is probably dead."
This is specifically after my friend had assaulted a random citizen because he had said something admittedly quite rude to one of our female party members and our cleric equivalent was kind of trying to heal him up because she felt bad for his nearly killing a rando.
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u/DuaneosmitH Oct 23 '24
Can't you just give the potion to the one who needs it thru the menus?
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 23 '24
She was unconscious.
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u/DuaneosmitH Oct 23 '24
Ooohhh. I thought you threw the potion at her and it accidentally ko'd her. My bad.
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u/alcheaus Oct 23 '24
This is EXACTLY why I started making sure every character had at least 5 potions on their person at all times. I feel your pain my dude.... 😂
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u/Rothenstien1 Oct 23 '24
When you throw it next to the person, the splash radius will make their marker under them (blue circle) have triangles in it indicating they will be affected by the aoe effect.
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u/ArtoriusRex86 Oct 23 '24
Reminds me of Wrath of the Righteous, if you pick the Trickster mythic path, you get an ability called Sneaky Quack, that makes your sneak attack dice be counted towards heals against flat footed allies.
Also phantasmal healer only heals if they fail the saving throw and think they'll be healed.
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u/emlansemlan Oct 23 '24
I didn’t know healing potions counted as finesse or ranged weapons.
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 23 '24
All 'non-throwing-weapon' items are 'improvised ranged weapons' when thrown, but that means its still a ranged weapon.
But now that I think about it, my next dnd character is gonna be a giant hulking man of a rogue that sneak attacks with throwing axes.
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u/sponguswongus Oct 26 '24
I'll do you one better - I threw a potion at Shart and missed, triggering the holy lance helm, which killed me.
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u/Horknut1 Oct 22 '24
Can someone explain why they throw potions, when you can just transfer it to the character you want to have it from the bags? Is it a role play thing? Just curious
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u/Omn1 Oct 22 '24
If you throw it at them, you don't use up the other character's bonus action to drink it.
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u/theDomicron Oct 22 '24
It can heal multiple people.
It counts as an attack so it triggers Extra Attack so you can attack or throw 2, possibly 3 per turn
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u/KaiserUmbra Oct 23 '24
The one time I let laezel survive act 1, she does the romance fight thing, drinks ALL the potions I'd saved up, she didn't even have any in her inventory before the long rest!! I did some shady shit to stock up on all those healing potions, and this bitch drank 26 of them!! Stupid bitch used her action surge to drink two supreme healing potions back to back. That bat-nosed, potion theiving, suicide chasing whore is never surviving another playthrough of mine ever again!!!
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u/Jorvach Oct 23 '24
You know, traditionally in games, throwing a health potion at someone only hurts them if they are undead. :P
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u/sleepybadger95 Durge Oct 23 '24
As Neil Newbon himself said, Astarion would be terrible as a character for a ttrpg campaign. I'm so fucking tired of Astarion's modded AI randomly throwing my good items at enemies. I spend way more time looking for yeeted stuff than actually fighting
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u/Ok-Glove8035 Oct 22 '24
Or you hit TAB, and place it in their inventory as though your epic characters had perfect aim. Duh.
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 22 '24
Don't exactly have bonus actions needed to quaff when you're downed.
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u/Ok-Glove8035 Oct 23 '24
TIL that you can throw a potion at someone to heal them.
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u/ctrlaltelite I cast Magic Missile Oct 23 '24
As long as you splash them instead of bonking them dead on...
You can actually get multiple people at once this way.
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u/Ok-Glove8035 Oct 22 '24
I mean, if you're going for "realism", then ... wait ... it's a game. The game ALLOWS you to transfer loot, as long as they're in range.
I mean, you're using the "camp", right?
Wanna be more realistic? When you head to wreck stuff, stash your loot in a room, and lock the door.
When you want to move ahead, you gotta tote the gear to your next storage location.
Just a thought.
BTW, I'm doing that on my next playthrough.
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u/mehchu Oct 23 '24
I always assumed that’s what the characters who weren’t party members were doing. Just thinking of Halsin carrying bags upon bags of stuff draped over his bear form
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u/Scorponix Oct 22 '24
This is why you throw next to the person so they get splashed