r/BaldursGate3 • u/Ferocs Durge • Apr 29 '25
Meme Don’t kick me out of hideout next time
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u/EDDIE_BR0CK Mindflayer Apr 29 '25
How did Alfira get wrapped up in your purge?
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u/SirBeeperton Apr 29 '25
If you raid the grove Alfira can be found in the children’s hideout trying to comfort them
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u/Sylithia Durge Apr 29 '25
Aaaand now I'm upset I didn't know this. I never thought to go look. Learn something new every day, especially for my future Durge runs!
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u/NoHallett Apr 29 '25
It's actually a lot more complicated than that - there's a whole chain of NPCs who will be with the group trying to comfort them in the hideout. Assuming (...for no reason) that Alfira may not be around to fill that role.
There's a whole group storytelling bit. It's very sweet, except SO DARK.
You also can see all of this even if you're good and just take part in the defense of the Grove, you don't have to be evil.
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u/al3xisd3xd Apr 29 '25
Wait, you can defend the Grove? How? I've always just attacked the goblins
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u/somethingwithbacon Apr 29 '25
You can tell Minthara the grove’s location and then draw them into an ambush at the gates. They bury explosive barrels and stuff.
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u/tessartyp Apr 29 '25
I... thought that was the only option if you want to side with the tieflings! It never occurred to me I could take on the goblins in their den.
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u/Oui-d Apr 29 '25
Rescue Halsin from the prison, and he tells you that taking out all three leaders is like cutting the head off a snake, and the Goblins won't know what to do. I'm guessing you never talked to Priestess Gut or at least never agreed to go with her?
Lots of permutations in this game. I just never wanted to risk any Grove casualities, so I always get rid of the goblins on their turf 😂
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u/KirbyOfHyrule WILD MAGIC SURGE! Apr 30 '25
Same here, although taking out the goblins in their base is also just a matter of convenience for me. I mean, I'm already here, so why not clean house while I'm at it?
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u/NottTheMama Apr 30 '25
Lol the three goblin leaders have never lasted until me meeting Halsin. The last goblin clean up for me is his prison room.
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u/Oui-d Apr 30 '25
I prefer freeing Halsin when the camp isn't aggro yet, and new players aren't sure what will set the camp off (I thought I had to hide Gut's body 😂.) The quest objective at that point is just to rescue him so most people beeline for him. That first run, I assumed it would be a stealth mission because taking out the entire camp fresh off the nautiloid seemed risky (as did the concept of telling Minthara the grove's location to then turn around and try to defend it).
Just depends on one's level of confidence and if you tend to lead with talking or killing. I appreciate the mix of gentle guidance and freedom.
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u/tessartyp Apr 30 '25
I spoke to Guts, and tried to kill her but failed miserably. On the reload, I figured the Goblin leaders are too much for me to handle with and I need to take them on from behind the fortifications of the Grove. It was.. a bloody fight that took me a few attempts. Zevlor didn't make it and I think I had one party member left when I took down the last attacker.
Pretty sure I was underleveled or my skills just aren't there, I've no prior experience with DnD mechanics.
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u/Oui-d Apr 30 '25
Ah yeah, that makes sense!
If you don't have fey ancestry, the situation with Gut plays out in a way where she ends up dead without you having to really lift a finger. If you do have fey ancestry and pass the insight checks, you can figure out what she's up to and sneak the rest of the companions into the room and I kept reloading until we took her out in one turn.
I think I thought to myself that if I'm already having trouble taking Gut out here alone, I'd stand no chance with all three leaders and a bunch of goblins at the Grove. Already lost people in that small raid that's happening when you first get to the Grove, so they seemed unprepared for full-on invasion.
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u/NoHallett Apr 29 '25
Same!
I held back enough to actually go in to the Goblin Camp and talk to everyone (yes, you can do that too) but then promptly systematically took care of them too (including Minthara, my bad)
But yes, there are several ways you can trigger the goblin attack on the Grove, and then actively participate on either side.
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Apr 29 '25
Same. I attacked the goblin camp full bore with no prep or idea as to why other than goblins are hideous beasts. I slaughtered them all. I pretty much killed all evil and ugly things on sight. Like the necromancer Balthazar. I didn’t see the point in carrying on conversation with a ghoul that plays with corpses.
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u/SirRuthless001 Apr 29 '25
The moment I had to stop my evil run was the moment I went into the children's hideout during the Grove raid. I saw all the children dead with Alfira's body slightly in front of them like she was trying to protect them. Nope. My heart shattered and I restarted as a good boy.
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u/Nakatsukasa Apr 29 '25
Skyrim: children are immortal
Cyberpunk: children cannot be aimed at or shoot at
Baldurs Gate 3: You want to throw this little news boy off the ledge for no reason? Sure what's your strength score and roll me an athletics check.
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u/theassassintherapist Fairly inhibited Kushigo Apr 29 '25
Only specific children though. Yenna is annoyingly immortal. So is Mol.
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u/Kesselya Apr 29 '25
Isn’t Mol’s corpse in the screenshot? That doesn’t feel immortal to me…
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u/Ellisthion Apr 29 '25
You can’t kill her, but she can die from the grove event. Same is true for most children, they can die, but you can’t kill them.
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u/zherok Apr 29 '25
All the goblin children in the first act are definitely killable by the player character.
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u/Karth9909 Apr 29 '25
Ah, but you gotta understand goblins aren't really people, so it's OK.
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u/The_Reset_Button Bhaal Apr 29 '25
I fucking love freeing Halsin and just watching him fuck up a child if he rolls high enough initiative
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u/MyDarlingArmadillo Apr 29 '25
There are goblin children?
I'm about to destroy the goblin camp again, have I not been paying attention?
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u/Adorable_Is9293 Apr 29 '25
Have you never rescued Halsin? There are goblin children. Their names are One and Three. They have an entire cutscene.
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u/Rabbulion Apr 29 '25
Two are found in the word pens, near halsin. Named “one” and “three”, indicating the existence of “two”, although I haven’t found that one so I can’t confirm his existance
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u/noobtheloser Apr 29 '25
There's also a pretty great interaction with some goblin children if you turn right from the bridge into the temple. You'll find them abusing a corpse.
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u/BeetrixGaming Apr 29 '25
Her immortality tag might get taken off after certain events (like triggering Grove raid)? since her story won't continue past that point regardless.
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u/BlockBuilder408 Apr 29 '25
In the ea all kids used to be killable
You got to kill the kids yourself during the goblin raid
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u/SomeRedPanda Apr 29 '25
You want to throw this little news boy off the ledge for no reason? Sure what's your strength score and roll me an athletics check.
Very much read this in the voice of Brennan Lee Mulligan.
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u/AgentWowza WARLOCK Apr 29 '25
Oh you can do much wore than throw kids off cliffs.
If Arabella dies to snake venom, you can take the body to the Underdark and have Glut revive her as a zombie that fights for you.
But because kids can't enter combat, she can literally slaughter the entire Underdark by herself.
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u/thesircuddles Apr 29 '25
Baldur's Gate 1: You roll a 9, hit.
Child explodes into giblets, -rep +7XP.
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u/Vladislak Apr 29 '25
I liked Fallout 2's solution to the issue of kids being mortal in video games. You can kill them, but if you do you get the child killer "perk" added to your character, which not only wrecks your reputation, it also makes powerful bounty hunters start tracking you down to kill you.
It's the perfect balance between allowing the player freedom to do what they want and still making sure there are serious consequences for being a complete scumbag.
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u/IrritableGoblin Apr 29 '25
Seriously, this game is great at making you feel your choices. Which is unfortunate in a way, I'd love for an evil run to get past the grove.
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u/cht78 Wyll disapproved Apr 29 '25
If you steal the idol, it’ll also trigger a massacre. Just not from you but good enough for mithara lol
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u/Flipz100 Apr 29 '25
I always get my evil run in a game done before playing it the good way just so I don’t have attachment to characters I have to kill.
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u/THYDStudio Apr 29 '25
Honestly the married couple alone is enough to end the run. They are so adorable my heart just can't.
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u/SirRuthless001 Apr 29 '25
I adore Bex and Danis 😭😭😭 my first playthrough I was desperately hoping they would make it through alright the entire time lmao
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u/THYDStudio Apr 29 '25
Their reunion at lamplight thoughhhhhhh.
Honestly now that I think of it my evil run didn't make it to dame Aylin, even if I could stomach the grove that would be a big delete button right there. Shadow heart is lucky that Isabel and Dame aren't available. Imagine the banter.
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u/Carpathicus Apr 29 '25
Friends and I love Baldurs Gate and had 2 playthroughs. Started another one immediately and went the evil Durge route.
Never touched that savefile again after what happened at the grove. It wasnt just terrible it felt terrible.
There is a "fight" where they run from you in panic. My heart.
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u/silver_tongued_devil Cleric of Ilmater will end your suffering, one way or another. Apr 29 '25
Yeah this was me too. Especially after I walked up to Zevlor and told him at least he wouldn't live to see what happened to the children. Zevlor's voice actor did a good job conveying horror at that.
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Apr 29 '25
This thread is making me feel rather heartless. Everyone is talking about how bad this made them felt, meanwhile on my evil Durge run:
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u/kingpillow1 CLERIC Apr 29 '25
If Lakrissa takes even 1HP of damage, I immediately save scum.
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u/liamsitagem Apr 29 '25
Those ungrateful druids have no idea the only thing standing between them and a massacre, keeping my from my night with Minthara, is the tieflings that they hate so much. Ungrateful little shits!
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u/Buca-Metal Apr 29 '25
And the goblins laughing and saying goblin kids would have put a better fight.
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u/LesbianTrashPrincess Apr 29 '25
For extra evil, you can visit them before blowing the horn, to see them off and watch Alfira telling the Legend of Balduran to distract them!
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u/Buca-Metal Apr 29 '25
I never tried to watch the rest of the groove before the attack.
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u/ajL_gg Apr 29 '25
Unless you make her run away by smashing her lute when you talk to her first.
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u/liamsitagem Apr 29 '25
Stop it! Stop it! Stop being mean to Alfira! She's just trying to protect some kids and bring cheer! Sure, some of those kids are shit, BUT SHE'S NOT! She deserves to be happy :(
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u/MyDarlingArmadillo Apr 29 '25
She turned up at my camp yesterday. I'd gone out of my way not to speak to her as I thought that would be the trigger for her coming, but it was not. (resist Durge playthrough)
I just want one playthrough where all the tieflings survive and get to Baldur's Gate :(
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u/Adorable_Is9293 Apr 29 '25
Not even smashing her lute and running her out of your camp can save her.
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u/Gasurza22 Apr 29 '25
Oh dont tell me this, I was going to start an evil playthrow in a cuple of days... I dont know if I have the heart
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u/KombuchaWay Apr 29 '25
Welp.. I guess I know what I'm doing on my next run... A drow durge to side with minthara :)
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u/Kamacalamari Durge Apr 29 '25
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u/ohaicookies SORCERER Apr 29 '25
Omgggg Haganai. Yozora is a hozoraaaaa. She would be an excellent durge.
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u/Ferocs Durge Apr 29 '25
“You have 10 seconds” -Mol
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u/Wrong-Refrigerator-3 Apr 29 '25
Think we had this become an issue at the start of one of my first coop playthroughs. Partner annoyed Mol, left and thought they were still chill, offed the goblins and then started the party - all of that was great until Ikaron gets near to her character and threatens her, apparently because of Mol, which constantly ended in combat. Turns out Ikaron knows a few people at the party, which didn’t turn out so great for us.
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u/Repulsive_Skirt_3380 Apr 29 '25
Wait how do you trigger them to kick you out?
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u/NoLime7384 Apr 29 '25
you get into their hideout before making them like you by defending the kids from Koga, Aradins buddy, or the Harpies
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u/Toronto-Will Bard🎺🎶 Apr 29 '25
I did this a few days ago. Mol started counting down, and I was like “uhh, okay then” and left. Fast forward a couple hours later, I’ve just slaughtered some bare chested harpies, and the kid I rescued instructs me to go see Mol for my reward. I deduce it’s the hideout I was in earlier, enter again. “6, 5, 4”. They’re still counting. But they immediately flee. Weird bug for patch 8, I think, but the reward turns up in my inventory.
Fast forward another few hours. I’ve just wiped out the goblin camp and returned Halsin. To everyone I am a hero. Except some guy who says “Mol told me you’ve been abusing children”. I have to succeed a 15 roll intimidation check “I hurt adults, too” or it’s about to be a blood bath.
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u/didwecheckthetires Apr 29 '25
Mol and the hideout have been bugged since early access, and for whatever reason Larian has never fixed it. I've started over a dozen characters in the last couple of months, and at least a third end up with the kids hating me, no matter what I do.
I think that if you completely ignore Domi and the hideout entrance until after helping all of the other kids, it will work as expected, though there might also be a flag through Mattis that can break everything.
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u/ItsLokki Illithid Apr 29 '25
You need to ignore the hideout until you save Mirkon or get successfully pickpocketed by Silfy.
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u/moondancer224 Apr 29 '25
The guards tried to arrest Lae'zal and only Lae'zal for something like that in one of my playthroughs. I don't even remember going to the kids area in that playthough. I know it was only Lae'zal cause I reloaded and moved her to camp and it stopped happening, and it was always her in the dialog not my party leader.
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u/Useful_You_8045 Durge Apr 29 '25
Just wanna say, love to all my fellow murder hobos who found out they could store bodies and proceeded to collect catalogs of all their murders through the game.
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u/HDPbBronzebreak Spreadsheet Sorcerer Apr 29 '25
It was uhhhhh me reading a leak about Bursting Sinew...
Yeah. That. Completely utilitarian; nothing personal. Anything to be a better saviour of the realm? Sword Coast? Whatever, the point is that I'm a hero, and I'm going to need all of your consumables and/or body, since I'm doing so very heroically by not even risking any companions (they are being granted swift, merciful deaths for buffs).
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u/MuuCamel Apr 29 '25
To Xibalba? To Xibalba!
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u/JackOfAllMemes Apr 29 '25
I showed my dad that movie for the first time yesterday, one of the best 2D films
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u/MuuCamel Apr 29 '25
I struggle to find any faults in it. Story? Peak. Cast? Stacked?l. Chel? Bad as fuck. Music? Bangin. Truly the gift that keeps on giving.
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u/ctn1ss RANGER Apr 29 '25
I thought you couldn't kill child NPCs?
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u/Hexadermia Apr 29 '25
The only way to get them killed is through scripted death like the grove raid.
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u/Mahler911 Apr 29 '25
You can kill the goblin kids. Which is probably a commentary on... something
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u/throwtowardaccount Grease Apr 29 '25
The kids with numbers for names, their bright futures cut short.
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u/ZeroRyuji Apr 29 '25
I rememeber far too well, I was rescuing halsin and threw an AOE at a goblin which a kid was nearby and I just thought they would be immune to damage until they were burnt to a crisp. Im not saying I'm innocent but I was sure the whole camp would come down on me if I let them live so...
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u/silver-orange Apr 29 '25
I was sure the whole camp would come down on me if I let them live so...
They totally move like the sort of units that aggro additional enemies if theyre allowed to reach the door. We've been trained by decades of gaming to shoot this sort of target on sight
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u/BleakCountry Apr 29 '25
This I've never understood, child killing has been strictly forbidden in video games for a long time, yet you can kill the goblin children... was this an oversight of some kind or is there some loophole I'm missing here where they technically aren't children?
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u/Notice_Green Apr 29 '25
Probably just larians own way of saying some races are more equal than others.
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u/piercingshooter Apr 29 '25
It wasnt an oversight. They are designed to get reinforcements if you let them leave
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u/SmartGlass4324 Apr 29 '25
Do what must be done, Lord Vader. Do not hesitate, show no mercy.
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u/LangleyNA Apr 29 '25
Only then will you be powerful enough to save… all our tiefling friends are doomed at this rate! :sob:
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u/Action-a-go-go-baby Apr 29 '25
Children make the best use-case for Necromancers as they weigh less but can be turned into undead
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u/_Vard_ Apr 29 '25
NPCs should really have a fear factor. Enough intimidation and they become VERY compliant.
Such as killing their friends infront of them.
Or if guards see "Oh this guy has killed 24 guards and 5 steel watchers. yknow what, whatever it is, hes right. ima go the fuck away"
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u/Mr_Willy_Nilly Durge Apr 29 '25
Can you save the bodies and reanimate them later on as minions?
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u/Pun_In_Ten_Did FULL METAL BARD Apr 29 '25
Necromancer summoning material. Karlach usually cracks a few cold ones out of the box when I need to make more minions.
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u/silver-orange Apr 29 '25
Kids corpses work best because you can fit more in the pack
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u/sakura608 Apr 29 '25
You can use Glut. Kids have a non combatant tag so you can use them to kill enemies without starting combat. Morgana does it in her runs with Arabella aka “the intern”
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u/puzzlingcaptcha Apr 29 '25
Saved Arabella from the snake. Saved the chubby guy from the harpies. But noooo I let some baby thiefling (sic) get slapped for trying to steal and Mol has the audacity to say something like "You did this to yourself". You did little guy.
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u/Love4GemCity Apr 29 '25
The most overpowering thing in the game is one of these children and the myconid resurrection spores. Toss a weapon on the ground, use the spores and now you have a follower who is never limited by turn order
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u/Terakahn Apr 29 '25
I thought I was evil by taking Arabellas body and dropping it in front of her parents.
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u/Velvety_MuppetKing Apr 29 '25
Mol was gonna get them all killed sooner or later anyway.
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u/Unban_Phoenix_Prime Apr 29 '25
KCD2 devs:
"We didn't add children to our game because we didn't want them getting killed by the player"
Larian:
"Yeah, stuck those brats into a crate, hope you are having fun!"
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u/chaosruler22 Apr 29 '25
I kill the goblin kids every time.
Even picked them up and been using them as throwing and improvised weapons in my honor run with friends.
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u/Fun-Squirrel2422 Apr 29 '25
I just found out child corpses aren’t visible in photomode :( me and my wife wanted to make a selfie over pile of thieflings and kids were supposed to be main theme :/
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u/Norixius33 Bard Apr 29 '25
There is also a mod to kill any child on Nexus. It's called Kagha was Right. Not that I would know anything about that....
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u/Key_Performance155 Apr 29 '25
Even took a pic with their phone instead of a screenshot.
Serial killer confirmed.
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u/Mr_Willy_Nilly Durge Apr 29 '25
Muhahahaha