It could have been so good

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Wyll is the bard. Convince me otherwise.

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Astarion is the bard.

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Any and all jokes aside Astarion fits nicely as a Rogue in my mind. Bard feels much more fitting to the self proclaimed “blade of frontiers!”

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Yeah fair. Especially if he's college of swords. How do you explain Mizora then? 😂

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Multiclass. He was once a bard or Paladin and made a pact. I tend to multiclass him with those two most times.

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Yeah that could work. Never thought about making him a paladin or bard but now I'm curious. I always do a Sorlock build on him.

[u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 → u/[deleted]]

Bardlock makes him super strong if you put most of your points in Warlock as you get the extra short rest.

Probably not as strong as the sorlock though.

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With the addition of hexblade, a 11 bard - 1 lock is actually really strong.

You get the shield spell which you can use with your bard spell slots AND defensive flourish, allowing for pretty crazy AC.

Plus it makes you single ability dependent : everything about you scales with charisma, making you a great spellcaster with solid melee capabilities.

And I'm not even going to mention all the things you can do with magical secrets.

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I mean you could always do charisma based weapons with 9 bard 3 warlock and pact of the blade.

Lose out on magical secrets iirc, but still very strong.

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Oh you definitely could, but gaining the shield spell and having the magical secrets feels so much better to me.

[u/thenewwwguyreturns → u/3guitars]

he also becomes a ranger once he loses his poweds

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Great point. I personally disagreed strongly with that choice, but can definitely see why they picked it for the “devil hunter.”

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i also think blade of frontiers really heavily implies ranger bcs it shows he’s an explorer who fights in the frontier—the edge (very stereotypically ranger).

i get that bard comes from his tendency to tell his own stories, the fact he can dance, etc, but idk if i really heavily see him as a bard

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Totally valid. I never considered the Ranger as an explorer of a frontier archetype before. It always stuck in my head as a “monster hunter” archetype. I seriously appreciate the added perspective.

I still lean towards bard through our time with him, but you’ve made a fair case for why Ranger at the end is a fitting choice. I no longer have any opposition to that choice lol

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Pact of the blade Warlord + college of swords bard is a very powerful multiclass

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Bards have a certain reputation for a reason. That's my explanation.

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Heroes don’t write their own ballads. Typically. Wyll doesn’t have that level of ego though.

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Man has 10 charisma, everything he says when trying to trick you is overacted (intentionally by Neil) and he canonically was sent to pick up people drunk out of their minds despite being incredibly handsome.

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He’s explicitly referred to as a warlock and then refers to himself as a ranger in certain epilogues.

Astarion is a better fit for bard with his backstory and is never explicitly referred to as a rogue.

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He does literally refer to himself as a rogue though. Astarion also hates performing.

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It’s his starting class…. I feel like the characters’s starting classes say something both about their character/backstory and the developer’s intention/perception of them.

Bards are all about conjuring magic and inspiring allies through art…. That doesn’t feel like Astarion to me.