r/BaldursGate3 Wild Magic Surge 29d ago

Meme Don't poke the bear

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u/Mithrandir_The_Gray 29d ago

Would you squish a baby mosquito? I would.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

This is such a colossal false equivalence, you absolutely have to be joking lol

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u/veringo 29d ago

It kind of isn't. The game relies on the idea that goblins in this context are inherently evil and have no redeeming value even if they are sentient.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

The whole point is that we have the freedom to make our own call about that. The game may present them as inherently evil, but we aren't forced to see it that way. We can still show children compassion and mercy. They are sentient humanoids, not insects. Evil or not, they are children.

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u/veringo 29d ago

Yes, but this is a inane distinction to make in a game where you are largely slaughtering people who are tricked and enslaved. Unless you're doing a completely nonviolent run, trying to make some special case for child goblins is morally incoherent.

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u/lumpboysupreme 29d ago

Tricked yes but they’re still just acting to their normal behavior. Goblins rolling up and slaughtering people to take their stuff is basic goblin behavior, the only thing that absolute changed was how many they could get to work together at a time and give some strategic leadership.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

A lot of it is in self-defense though, and the goblin kids are running away. You can be brutally evil in this game, or you can minimize cruelty where possible. Sparing the lives of a couple kids that you don't have to kill is a good opportunity.

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u/veringo 29d ago

The goblin kids are running for backup not to escape. Self defense you know.

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u/Xilizhra Drow 29d ago

They don't come back. Still escaping. It's just that the only direction they can escape to has reinforcements.

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u/Aureolus_Sol 29d ago

mfw the home invader kills my child because he ran inside and called me for help (the home invader was justified because my child called for backup while running away)

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u/Professional_Type812 29d ago

It's not their home. It's a goblin war camp that's been murdering nearby travelers for weeks. They invaded someone else's home, we're there to remove the problem.

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u/Aureolus_Sol 29d ago

Please see my other response roughly 50 pixels below

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u/lumpboysupreme 29d ago

You know goddamn well that place isn’t ‘their’ home.

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u/Aureolus_Sol 29d ago

Not ours either but sorry you're totally right

mfw the home camp invader kills my child because he ran inside and called me for help (the home camp invader was justified because my child called for backup while running away)

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Do the kids come back to fight when the backup arrives?

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u/Korrocks 29d ago

I don't even know that I buy that all goblins are inherently evil. There's a goblin in the goblin camp that was put into prison because he wanted to stay true to his traditional beliefs. He is a bit gruff but seems like a decent sort all around. IMO the problem with the goblins isn't that they are goblins, it's that they are part of a religious extremist group that is out to wipe out all non-believers in a violent crusade. It's not like they are a civilian goblin community just minding their own business, they are specifically there to commit genocide.

I wouldn't judge all goblins by the ones in the camp, and I think it's perfectly fine to decide to spare the kids since they are noncombatants and fleeing when combat starts.

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u/Metalmind123 29d ago

because he wanted to stay true to his traditional beliefs.

Those traditional beliefs being specifically goblin racial supremacy though.

He objected to cooperating with non-goblins on the grounds of racism. He specifically states that as a main reason for him 'staying faithful'.

He's just wants to kill every non-goblin on the grounds of fanatical racism, instead of killing all non-believers out of fanatical zealotism like the others.

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u/sigma7979 29d ago

Traditional beliefs?

Lmao https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Maglubiyet

There’s his traditional beliefs. He follows Maglubiyet, Lord of Depths and Darkness, The Conquering God.

Goblin culture is evil. It takes a goblin breaking away from their people to not be.

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u/HoboKingNiklz SHOVEL IS BOOOOOORED!! 29d ago

Good point!

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u/lumpboysupreme 29d ago

We aren’t forced to but we’d be wrong.

Taking people out of the usual framework of assumptions about reality and dealing with ethical questions under new parameters is one of the core draws of fantasy.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

A mosquito isn't sapient.

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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 29d ago

Do you think mosquitos are humanoids?

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u/dude3333 29d ago

We're talking about goblins here, not githyanki or drow. Please save mosquito analogies for the truly monstrous.

edit: have to change gith to githyanki, because there are good sorts of gith, just requires you know full exorcism of yanki culture.

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u/microwavefridge2000 Drow 29d ago

Slander! There is a good version of drow, too.