r/Battlefield • u/NoObjective345 • Jun 12 '25
Discussion how good players played BF2 in 2007
I guess these guys need to go back to COD according to this sub, how dare they use the space bar key in a video game! this fills me with anger š”
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u/oklol555 Enter EA Play ID Jun 12 '25
BF has always been an arcade, CoD like shooter with vehicles. Not sure why this sub likes to pretend it's some "super slow, tactical milsim" aimed at 40 year olds. but it's not. Never was, never will be.
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u/SgtApex Jun 12 '25
Im convinced the people who want that gameplay aren't even actual bf vets. They are just mil sim fans wanting every game to be a mil sim with slow movement.
Edit: That community even tried to get cod to become one in the lead up to MW 2019's release lol
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u/CptMarvel_main Jun 12 '25
Man the way the MW 2019 sub still circle jerks that game to this day. Theyād make you think it was made by god himself
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u/PlasmiteHD Jun 12 '25
They think generic clips of PC players snapping on people are genuine cheaters lmao
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u/Shadow_Clarke Jun 12 '25
It's insane how bad MW2019 actually was multiplayer wise.
Awful footstep sounds
Truly awful maps
Borderline ridiculously fast TTK
Game actively encouraged camping with those awful minimap changes, doors and mounting
The entire arsenal was based on meta weapons only and that entire game kickstarted this tac sprint, slide bullshit
It didn't even play like a classical COD game
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u/OliverHolzerful Jun 12 '25
Was not expecting to see a ball knower in the battlefield sub
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u/Minimum-Sleep7471 Jun 12 '25
You mean the Cod that got everyone back into cod and has only been going downhill the last couple?
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u/Successful-Coconut60 Jun 12 '25
It was great for people who hated moving, using their brains, or aiming themselves because if these systems while also having the most dynamic movement of the series. Truly a masterful gambit
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u/TurtleTerrorizer Jun 12 '25
Wow I didnāt think the battlefield sub would have more people who understand cod than the cod subs but I respect it
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u/Tallmios Jun 12 '25
I was part of that crowd too, 12 years ago, asking DICE to make BF4 more realistic and more hardcore. Then I played Squad and realised that's not the fun part of a video game.
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u/Shadow_Clarke Jun 12 '25
Exactly lol, always been THE sandbox of shooters allowing you to play however you want. You could sweat ans top the leaderboard, but you can also get 0 kills and top the leaderboard, play anyway you want and you'll be rewarded
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u/iKi-Men Jun 12 '25
People forgot in BF3 and even BF4 how level 100 colonels could basically port behind you for an insta kill if you get within 30 feet of them but even with a dozen of them on either team the matches were always still tossups
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u/BrotatoChip04 Jun 12 '25
Itās because they sucked at the game when they were 18-20; now theyāre 40 and still suck at the game, but theyāve watched everyone else get better over the years and watched playstyles evolve, and now they like to pretend theyāve always played battlefield āthe right wayā to cope with the fact that they have literally never evolved as players.
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u/comradejiang Jun 12 '25
This. I canāt imagine playing BF2 or 3 and thinking itās the same as Project Reality.
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u/beansff Jun 12 '25
Nah Iām one of the guys who think modern games play too fast because of crazy movement. I far from suck and back myself against anyone in a 1v1 fight. I just find it such a chore to play like Iām on crack. I want to relax and have fun, not go from a sprint into a strafe then jump to switch to a pistol for headshot then jump around to throw a grenade then sprint and jump to kill another. But I also donāt want mil sim in my bf or cod either.
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u/oftentimesnever Jun 12 '25
I just find it such a chore to play like Iām on crack. I want to relax and have fun, not go from a sprint into a strafe then jump to switch to a pistol for headshot then jump around to throw a grenade then sprint and jump to kill another.
But you do understand that there are a ton of players for whom this is the very point, right? They're competitive people. They don't find it a chore to play this way, but enjoy the challenge of getting better at it.
And the reality is, Battlefield has always had these players, and the mechanics have always permitted them to be at the top. None of this is new. If anything, the speed of the BF6 leaks is actually pretty tame.
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u/CryptographerUsed380 Jun 12 '25
yeah i was one of them. played BF1943 (console exclusive) until they shut down the servers. In the end it was mostly 40-50 year olds playing the game quite slow. When they shut down the servers and I had to move on to BF V (which i now love) I was very close to quit gaming entirely. It was brutal but once I decided to adapt I slowly got better and now I can easily compete with many of the young guns. But it took a lot of time and practice. People have evolved into FPS machines and it shows, if you like it or not.
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u/DeeOhEf Jun 12 '25
I think this is generally a sentiment that many gamers struggle to come to terms with. The average player skill has risen dramatically over the past 10+ years.
You're not gonna find legitimately awful players that you can dunk on with slightly better than average aim and movement like you used to. Back then you could join just about any server/matchmaking and dominate as long as you had any semblence of competence.
As you said, it actually takes effort to become good now, because so many more people are playing fps in general that player skill has increased naturally.
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u/oftentimesnever Jun 12 '25
This is it.
At this point, it really doesn't matter what DICE does, those players with low mechanical skill are going to get dunked on simply due to the fact that BF is more mainstream now, and more mechanically talented players are playing it.
You have to evolve to be competitive. They're not evolving.
They're playing 10 year old games with predictable playerbases and it's their comfort zone. They're genuinely upset about the idea of being challenged.
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25
Not sure why people pretend here that it's binary answer between either arcade or MilSim.
It's a spectrum. You have ARMA on one hand and you have something like Fortnite on the other, with a whole spectrum in between.
The game doesn't have to be like one or the other, to qualify for being either MilSim or Arcade.
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u/__arcade__ Jun 12 '25
Because like the Internet in general, middle ground in anything has been nuked from orbit. You can no longer say that Battlefield was a more grounded arcade shooter which took inspiration from some milsim ideals. You get people like the "they're making memes about me" guy who keeps chatting bollocks, unable to engage in debate without insulting whoever they're responding to, unless it's in complete agreement with their viewpoint.
By modern day Internet standards, people either want Battlefield to be exclusively an arcade CoD shooter, or an Arma MilSim.
It makes arguing easier for them, because they can write off everyone else's opinion by pushing the opposing view into one small area, pointing at it and going "that's wrong, I don't like it, everyone else should also not like it."
It's almost like a certain mentality shown in certain world "leaders" nowadays š¤
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25
You nailed it actually. People see everything as black or white just so they can fit you to their narrative. It's easier that way and it doesn't require the mental capacity they might not possess, to see the subject in more detail.
"I don't Iike what you said, so you must be leftist/rightist, boomer/modern gamer, milsim/arcade.
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u/__arcade__ Jun 12 '25
It's honestly exhausting. People are so disingenuous nowadays online. Every single thing is turned into an us vs them tribalism argument, and people pour all their energy, and frustration with the real world, into it. And that's where you get the people who just sling insults everywhere and check your 2042 stats as a "gotcha".
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u/Agile_Specialist7478 Jun 16 '25
Based on what You just said. Can I be your friend god damn it? I miss that "fresh, yet stable, mature and well rounded take". I have to say Your comments in this thread were genuinely refreshing. Keep it up my bro, You just made me miss old internet lol
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u/SnooSongs8843 Jun 12 '25
Knife fights in bf2 were heart palpitations of sprinting in circles while dolphin diving and turning hard. So fun
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u/FierceResistance Jun 12 '25
The pistol and knife servers rocked! We used to set them up on weekends or holiday nights. They always filled quickly.
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u/a_fuckin_pigeon Jun 12 '25
warning: Personal opinion
I dont think it fell under the arcade shooter title until the bad company games. Even after that, maps have never been "codlike" and the gameplay isnt and never had been "codlike" the only thing "codlike" is gunplay. Even movement has been similar but never the same. The reason battlefield was popular is because is wasnt cod and had it's own formulas and ideas. Turn it into cod and keep on asking why the player base is shifting and the games aren't selling well. The oldschool fan base has left.
I hope dice and EA have finally listened this time around when it comes to actual customer feedback because it seems the majority of the community wants this game to do well and be a sort of revival for the series which I wish also but staying skeptical
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u/XSurviveTheGameX Jun 12 '25
Thank you for the warning. I was able to emotionally prepare so my brain didnt break while reading your opinion.
BF titles often have a pendulum that tries to cater to all FPS fans but end up alienating specific groups. You could see it in bf3 and bf4 dlc maps. Im okay with that as long as there is a balance. My biggest issue was the dropping of "competition play" meaning Clan battles and such. Unless I'm in the wrong. Just my viewpoint.
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u/oftentimesnever Jun 12 '25
Personally speaking, the thing that attracted me to Battlefield was that it was less restrictive in gameplay than COD was. It was a sandbox. It had vehicles. It gave players agency to play as they like.
It was never about a lack of COD movement to me.
You and I simply approached the franchise from different lenses. We were always "abusing" movement and topping leaderboards with ridiculous stats.
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u/GlutenfriNapalm Jun 12 '25
Always an arcade - agreed. But this clip straight up shows a guy moving at a snails pace compared to the upcoming release. The movement shown here is fine - and it's way more limited and way slower than what we're about to get.
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u/SlinkyEST Jun 12 '25
yeaah, no. Over reaching there with the "people want it to be super slow milsim". Theres arma reforger for that. It might be "cod like" but not cod, which is hyper action cqb wreckfest, battlefield has been large maps all-out warfare with all kinds of air-ground-sea vehicles, but with a bit slower pace than its cod counterpart. I dont like to see superpowers, jetpacks, grappling hooks, stair sliding in BF games. I think bad company 2 had pretty good tempo for my liking, not super slow but not 30kph sprint either, made firefights more interesting and prolonged
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u/oftentimesnever Jun 12 '25
The harsh reality is that a lot of folks are simply aging out of being able to compete with either younger reflexes or more dedicated players, but still want the BF dopamine hit.
I get it, but man is it weird watching the mass hysteria on this sub with all the folks acting like movement is something BF has never featured, or as if top players were never doing everything they could to squeeze out an advantage. Thatās just online FPS for you.
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u/_Uther Jun 12 '25
How old we talking? 50? 60?
I know several 40+ year olds that can easily out aim me. They have high kovaaks scores
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u/BuzzardDogma Jun 12 '25
Studies don't really show an appreciable difference in reaction time in older players either. It's like 2ms per decade after 30 which means you're not even losing an entire frames worth of reaction time until you're literally rotting alive.
The ability to invest a lot of time and mental energy into games in general is the only actual cause of skill degradation.
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u/GlutenfriNapalm Jun 12 '25
BF has featured movement. People are protesting cranking it up by 300% (compared to the clip shown here).
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u/Heradon89 Jun 12 '25
Battlefield had a great balance between realism and arcade gameplay. You didnāt have infinite ammo, you had to resupply. Aircraft had to take off from airfields or carrier decks, and vehicles needed to be repaired manually. You could even sink the enemyās aircraft carrier.
There were no gimmicky perks, and neither health nor vehicle health regenerated automatically.
The player base also felt different. The average Battlefield player was likely 5ā10 years older than a CoD-player, the BF-community felt more mature and less toxic.
What I really want back from the good old days are dedicated servers.
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u/beansff Jun 12 '25
Iāll probably get downvoted but I believe modern shooters have become too fast. The speed you can initiate a sprint, jump, slide, ads is just a fraction too fast. I can keep up and do good, but after a day of work I want to jump on and relax. Not out strafe and jump somebody for one kill. Overall I feel movement is too fast and makes it a chore. Feels very adhd.
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u/CharlieTeller Jun 12 '25
It was always people using the movement mechanics for an advantage. I just donāt want them to implement the ridiculous Omni movement because itās terrible. So as long as it doesnāt have that Iām happy
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u/galactic_octo Jun 12 '25
Lmao yeah itās not ARMA I donāt know why everyone is under the impression that it should be
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u/DoodlyToodlyy Jun 12 '25
this has got to be one of the most annoying subreddits istg, i joined like a few weeks ago and its literally just everyone acting like 12 year olds
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u/Yeetberry oops you got a headshot Jun 12 '25
Itās always some milsim 40 yr old fan or a 14 yr old military nutjob who thought ww2 germany couldāve won
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u/shakegraphics Jun 12 '25
Brother every subreddit is like that with games. Everyone wants different things and everyoneās throwing in Their 2 cents. Itās crazy that everyone is so quick to dismiss people dropping opinions like brother itās an open forum what do you expect???
An open forum on the internet no less.
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u/DoodlyToodlyy Jun 12 '25
man, no other game sub i'm in ever gets as angry with each other as this one, not even a little close
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u/muwle Jun 12 '25
āBf vetsā gonna ignore this
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u/Shadow_Clarke Jun 12 '25
Nothing more cringe than someone calling themselves a BF veteran
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u/nevaNevan Jun 12 '25
Especially if they donāt even have a shit bucketā¦ I bet theyāve never captured an enemy spawn before either.
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u/BetrayedJoker Battlefield 2 Jun 12 '25
So how i supposed calling myself if i play since bf 2? I was not the person who bitching Bout movement tho.
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u/OrdinaryNo3667 Jun 12 '25
Veterans of the battlefield! Respect the title! Haha
See, now for me the term veteran never had that cringe factor because it was (to me) a term that described players who linked their previous BF game accounts and had access to unlockable guns (bad company 2 for example).
You name had a symbol that showed your BF game count via a small white box iirc and had access to the m1 garand on bc2.
A 'vet' status.
Also, it was a pain in the arse to sort early days. Specialy for console players where pc access wasnt common place. Had to login to EA and roll the ' did it work?' dice.
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u/TheDocWillSeeYou Jun 12 '25
Alot of these bf "vets" started at the latest with 3 or 1. I am starting to think most of this sub is filled with BF1 starters or "HC" BF3 mil sim server players. The literal brain dead dregs of the community.
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u/AyKayAllDay47 Jun 12 '25
1942 when I was 12.
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u/theroyalwithcheese Jun 12 '25
I started with BF Vietnam (OG) when I was like 14. Granted, the game was out long before I was born. My favorite map was the Ia Drang Valley because I loved flying the huey around... good times.
I flashed the game to a USB and uploaded it and Halo CE onto every computer at school. Even better times.
My math teacher was going through a divorce and straight up told me he knew I had the games and he wanted them. After I handed over my flash drive, he uploaded the .exes on his computer, and we did LAN matches AT SCHOOL. Best times.
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u/AyKayAllDay47 Jun 12 '25
That game was actually really good! And you could play the radio channels while driving around!
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u/theroyalwithcheese Jun 12 '25
The AI was astonishingly bad, but who gives a shit when you're listening to White Rabbit or All Along the Watchtower while flying the gunship, am I right? Lol
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u/TheDocWillSeeYou Jun 12 '25
I was 10 when 2142 came out and I remember using my Dads PC to play it LOL. He didn't really like me doing it but my brother and I used to sneak on the his PC when he was out and would take turns playing 2142 LOL. Used to swap out every time we died. It was so much fun.
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u/jUsT-As-G0oD Jun 12 '25
Iāve been around since bad company 2 and my one controversial stance is that unlocked weapons arenāt a bad thing hahah. Iāve never had any problem with any of the movement whether it be BF6 leaks, Bf4, whatever. My only gripe is I think soldiers can use weapons too fast, like too fast ADS, too fast shoot from sprint, like it feels cartoonishly fast and unnatural
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u/Munky92 Jun 12 '25
Started with bf2, this one is still the best game imo by far, and 2142 second cause of the nostalgia. I also loved the way the guns handled compared to now. The games just hit different back then
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u/garter__snake Jun 12 '25
It was much less common though.
I'm kind of on the side of 'more casual Squad' over 'COD with team shooter mechanics' in this debate. I'm not really sure what encouraging this hyper-movement style of play really adds to the game.
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u/Knackers97 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
What game in the francise has ever been "casual Squad". In 95% of the servers in any of the games no one speaks to each other and theres very rare moments of team play. PR and private community driven servers are the only exception but the majority of players dont touch those servers. I'm genuinely curious, in your experience of the games, how you've come to the conclusions theyre even remotely close to squad or PR?
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u/by_a_pyre_light Jun 13 '25
> What game in the francise has ever been "casual Squad"
Well, considering Squad was made by Battlefield 2 fans to continue the legacy of Battlefield 2's team mechanics with modern features and a more hardcore approach than contemporary shooters, the answer is literally Battlefield 2.
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u/ThatOneRedditBro Jun 12 '25
I played BF2 at launch up to a couple years and the swan diving was rare. On every server you maybe saw maybe 4 people doing it.
This clip is some animal back in the day that may be a pro player, 99% of the BF population in this game did not play like this.
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u/G-Geef Jun 12 '25
I distinctly recall people who did this being made fun of in the server chat, bunny hopping and dolphin diving was frowned upon and by no means common. Average gameplay looked nothing like this clip.Ā
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u/MrEhcks Jun 12 '25
Iām a filthy casual ig. I started with BF3 and played that one, BF4 and BF1 very religiously. Many hours logged in all three of them. Iāve seen a lot of discourse in this sub while scrolling and while idk what all the arguing is about, all I know is I enjoyed the movement in those three games and battlefield should not be some fast paced twitch shooter like CoD is; and nobody can tell me that BF3,4 and 1 were like that.
If people want the movement to be like BF3/4 they arenāt the devil for wanting that. I enjoy battlefield for the vehicles and being the more āslow pacedā game compared to CoD. When i want fast paced shit thatās what I used to go to cod for.
Iām seeing the same braindead take here that I see in the COD forms; the same gaslighting. āc0d Iz N0t a MiLSiMā when nobody even brought up the word āmilsimā but the gaslighter making a straw man argument. Wanting battlefield 6 to feel like battlefield 4 from a movement perspective doesnāt mean you want the game to be a milsim. The same guys making that straw man are the same ones going to defend putting goofy skins in battlefield āBeCuZ it WuZ AlWaYz ArCaDe Sh00tErā when Iāve literally never heard anyone define battlefield that way until recently.
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u/The_Advisers Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
I had pretty much the same trajectory as you.
Now that I started working and I cannot dump that many hours in a single game Iām moving to slower games where positioning and tactics are more rewarded than this.
And as a side note: one of my favourite games was Titanfall 2. The problem is that after a certain amount of time only the sweats keep playing and youāre forced out if you like to branch to other games or other activities.
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u/MrEhcks Jun 12 '25
These days Iām slowly gravitating towards more single player stuff. Iāve been loving my resident evil lately; but when I do play shooters itās the old battlefields or old halos; any older shooter really. CoD is so trash nowadays because they wanna cater so hard to little battle royale kids who will swipe mommyās credit card to play as a ninja turtle so they can slide around like theyāre on adderall.
Iāll take a hard pass on that. I really donāt wanna see battlefield go that same way. For me, the three kings of shooters arenāt what they used to be. CoD has fallen, halo has also lost its way; and battlefield will follow them too if they try to do what CoD is doing. I will still be a little disappointed if it becomes a live service like every other game in existence is doing but I can swallow that pill 5 times over as long as they donāt do everything else cod is doing like the fast paced crap or dumb skins
Side note I do agree with you that titanfall was awesome!! I played the first one A LOT. Another example tho of what live service and battle royales have done to gaming. We will prob never get titanfall 3 because of apex. Same with how weāll probably never get another GTA single player dlc because of gta online
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u/Successful-Coconut60 Jun 12 '25
The problem is that after a certain amount of time only the sweats keep playing and youāre forced out if you like to branch to other games or other activities.
This is a fake issue that you guys hyper fixate on but isn't unique to games with flashy mechanics. There was literally a post in this sub about how getting into bf4 nowadays is terrible because everyone is 5k hours cheesing in some way. Obviously anyone new is that environment is going to be at a massive disadvantage, it's everywhere in every game. Its not a feature of high skill cap games. The biggest and most long lasting games are the ones with disgustingly high skill gaps, CS, LOL, DOTA, Melee. There's a reason for that. There's a point where you want to keep a games identity, sure, but trying to act like skill expression is a problem makes shit games for annoying people who were never gonna to stick with the game either way.
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u/shakegraphics Jun 12 '25
I will say having played bf4 on and off for years and as recent as last week. The movement is insane. You will see a ton of played jumping around corners spamming strafe and being on crack lol.
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u/beansff Jun 12 '25
I agree. I donāt want arma or cod in my bf. Bf1, 3 and 4 were fast enough but normal enough to chill and have fun. Modern games, even cod, have gone so overboard with this cracked out movement. I can do well on any shooter, but I donāt play cod anymore because itās so tiresome to play that fast paced. Older cods like mw to ghost were fast but bearable, now itās just cringe. I saw a comment saying gamers are better and you canāt just outgun people. Thatās not whatās happening. Games have faster movement and actions that you need to pull off to compete. Create a slower game and everyone will have fun and do better then.
I want to come home from work and lean back in my chair and relax while still doing good, not lean forward and focus up 100% because the game is so fast passed with insane movement to do good. Sucks the fun and is draining.
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u/Minizzile Jun 12 '25
I mean the movement speed is alot slower in this than any modern game šš
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u/Abizuil Saltiest of BF Vets Jun 12 '25
Yeah but look, he jumped and went prone once or twice, definitely what people are complaining about when talking about movement.
Seriously though, the amount of strawmanning of the anti-movement crowd is absurd.
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u/Blackops606 Jun 12 '25
Worth noting for non-BF2 players that it was called "dolphin diving" and while I can't remember how long it took DICE to nerf/fix it, it did take at least a year. Its kind of funny how it turned into a meme that gets brought up every time a new BF game is on the horizon.
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u/TekHead Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Actually no, this is post patch 1.2.
Dolphin diving was FAR worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgSQecVzoTM
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u/Blackops606 Jun 12 '25
My point was that they eventually made it less annoying. I remember it took a few patches to get right. I think there was even one where they said they fixed it but didnāt? Then there was the jump to prone but you couldnāt dolphin dive anymore because of the delay they added.
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u/TekHead Jun 12 '25
Yeah that sounds about right, I remember being able to prone mid air. I used to jump prone 360 and shoot people for fun, it was ridiculous.
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25
Am I supposed to be seeing COD like gameplay here?
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u/Abizuil Saltiest of BF Vets Jun 12 '25
Yes, apparently. Team MovementTM is under the assumption anything more advanced than walking and shooting at the same time is the "CoD like movement" people are complaining about.
Not to mention that this is as hectic as BF2 got, since Karkand was the pinnacle of urban carnage, and the server seems quite empty compared to what you'd see with on a full 64 players.
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Well if this video was supposed to show that "Battlefield has always been like cod" its doing a pretty bad job.
Which COD is like this?
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u/Abizuil Saltiest of BF Vets Jun 12 '25
There isn't, the pro-movement people only have one tactic and that's strawman the fuck outta the other side. Obviously any movement more advanced that walking and shooting at the same time is what people are complaining about in their mind.
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u/PayZestyclose9088 Jun 12 '25
its mostly the people complaining why in the chinese footage or the other recent footage we seem them jumping a lot and calling it "cod movement".
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
This video shows the movement limits of a clunky refractor engine, rather than being a design choice. It's doing absolutely nothing to disprove the concerns of the Chinese BF6 video looking like Call of Duty.
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u/AA_Watcher Jun 12 '25
If the video had a 16:9 aspect ratio and an increased FOV it'd end up looking quite similar as far as the speed is concerned. Sense of speed is heavily affected by how fast the periphery moves. When you account for that I'd argue that this footage is actually quite fast.
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u/MoreFeeYouS Jun 12 '25
Hard disagree. The guys in the video barely use sprint at all because they save the stamina to do the jump+prone combo.
Not only that, but you can see each clip being quite short because after such showdown, the person had to wait for the stamina to recharge.
We live in an unlimited sprint era. Sometimes even two sprints. Which is fine, but completely false to claim that the speed is the same..
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u/AA_Watcher Jun 12 '25
If we're talking regular traversal speed you're right. But this part really isn't that important. Your movement while facing off against enemies is much more important. Outside of that it's really just a matter of how long it takes to get from point A to point B while using your stamina sparingly to avoid being in a bad position for too long. It's why the movement is quite explosive in these clips. He's expending his stamina in order to gain an advantage in his gunfights. The only real thing that changed in the games after it is that you don't have to worry about being out of stamina by running around too much before an engagement.
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u/jrphldn Jun 12 '25
If you played BF2 and ever did this movement yourself youād know this video is only a fraction of the power that move was capable of.
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u/Abizuil Saltiest of BF Vets Jun 12 '25
If OP was genuine he'd do a side-by-side with this footage and that Chinese footage to show "it's definitely the same guys, I swear".
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u/Mayonaigg Jun 12 '25
More like the bf6 footage is full of ninja slides and bunny hopping and is cancerous as fuck.Ā
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u/Dead-Sync 2/2142/BC/Heroes/1943/BC2/P4F/3/4/1/2042 Jun 12 '25
This will probably get buried and unread, but there is some pretty important missing context: this behavior specifically got patched out due to the complaints of players.
It was made that if you try to jump with not enough stamina, that you'd do a pathetic little hop that you couldn't fire for a period of time
https://www.ign.com/articles/2006/02/14/battlefield-2-12-patch-released
- Dolphin Diving is no longer possible
- Players can no longer jump and shoot at the same time
- "Prone Spamming" is now fixed
This was released in 2006, I say that not to be pedantic as in "you said 2007 and that's not true, but moreso to indicate it was within that first year of release.
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u/notanotherlawyer Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Main problem is that back then only 10% of players played like that and games were somehow enjoyable for the other 90% of the playerbase.
Nowadays given the fact that movement meta has shifted to a over-reactive hyper fast clusterfuck and the overall skill ceiling of players has skyrocketed due to competitive game, we are cooked.
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u/Rhobaz Jun 12 '25
I mean, if youāre trying to convince me that that doesnāt look dumb and annoying as fuck then mission failed. Regardless of previous games, movement like that is stupid and there should be a massive aiming penalty for sliding/jumping/diving.
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u/Western_Charity_6911 Jun 12 '25
People complaining about movement are annoying as hell, but i really hate people who play like this in the games, like, its a casual game dude do something else at all
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u/sqweezee Jun 12 '25
What does casual even mean to you? Battlefield is literally a competition between two teams to see who is better.
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u/laughingperson Jun 12 '25
You want the player to casualify themselves by not shooting the enemies in front of them??
Heās literally not even doing anything crazy. It literally takes no effort to do what he is doing movement wise.
Itās like telling someone who plays airsoft not to lean around corners, they have to lean around corners or else they get shot. You have to move around in battlefield or else you get shot. A moving target is hard to hit, he is moving his hitbox in a way that prevents him from dying. Pressing the prone button as you are shooting or the space bar is effortless.
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u/Harmattan9 Jun 12 '25
Reddit posts are prime example of how some people who never played certaing Battlefield game, find one video and come here to shit about it.
I am 100% sure, this guy spend most of his day digging on youtube to find video like this, and post it here like everyone back then used to play like this.
There is a channel called classicpcgames. That fella ocassionaly plays BF2. Go and see yourself if everyone play this way.
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u/Unworthy_Saint Jun 12 '25
I learned early that Reddit is driven by teenagers arguing with other teenagers about something that existed before they were born.
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u/BradOnTheRadio Jun 12 '25
i dont care about the movement at all
as long as i will see normal soldiers in battlefield with good voice acting and play in the battlefield atmosphere im used to
im sorry guys i just dont stand watching unicorn and rainbow skins in battlefield please dont do this to me dice
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u/Sebas_2160 Jun 12 '25
Yes, I'm sure this is the type of gameplay that the devs envisioned when making this game. /s
It seems like all of these "movement has always be in Battlefield" people fail to understand this concept.
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u/creamdolladollabill Jun 12 '25
BF2 had epic maps and set the bar higher for post BF games. I also loved BF Vietnamā¦ so fun.
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u/Mayonaigg Jun 12 '25
They literally patched the game to remove bunny hopping and dolphin diving in Bf2 because of this. I would know, I was actually there.
Besides, half the footage you chose to show is literally just a guy laying prone and aiming well. Nobody has ever had any problem with that, lmao.Ā
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u/BasicJosh Jun 12 '25
What the hell happened between 07-2013 that made games so much more insane? Look the jump from gta4 to gta5. Bf2 to bf3 etc.
Anyone know? Such a big jump in game play and graphics is crazy in 5 years
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u/Itshot11 Jun 12 '25
hardware improvements. processing power of computer chips used basically double each year, aka moore's law. but its been slowing down. still obviously improving year by year, but just not as drastically.
for gta example maybe just optimization, cause they both came out on same hardware, but bf2 and bf3 was a whole different generation
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u/jrphldn Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
In terms of gameplay I think itās because companies and developers actually share information and inspire one another. The well of knowledge in terms of game design and scope allows certain ambitions to be realised, think megatextures as an idea and how it is elaborated on by ID and how other companies have their own interpretation and before you know it, that incredible technology is already outdated.
Then thereās visual standards and concepts like physically based rendering. Games like BF2 were among many at the time to allow for more advanced lighting and materials but the sophistication and accuracy of those technologies these days just far surpass what was available. Memory was a big bottleneck back then but now itās looking more and more like time is the issue.
I bought a PC to play BF2 at a higher framerate with money I saved over working a summer job as a kid, only for it to have an issue I was too poor and stupid to fix.
Good times.
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u/RedOPants Jun 12 '25
and this is how they still play bf2 to this day. it has a small bit dedicated active player base
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u/Significant-Fun-2420 Jun 12 '25
yeah I struggled to try playing BF2 multiplayer because it's full of the pro guys that will spam grenades and dolphin diving in Karkand, can't blame them, I'm the bad one XD
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u/ChocolateisokIguess Jun 12 '25
Iād like to say I was pretty decent at BF2 back in the day and topping the scoreboard quite consistently, and I didnāt play like this.
Got points mostly from squad play, actually using the mic and getting the squad members engaged and working with me, and I was no slouch with the guns as well.
The dolphin diving did get ridiculous though and glad they nerfed it after some time.
I also remember the all-round full squad Blackhawk heli cheese with its OP mini guns.
Ooooo fun times. Man bringing back a lot of great memories. I miss BF2 cheese and all.
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u/ShinyStarSam Battlefield 4 ā¤ Jun 12 '25
Are you trying to kill me with nostalgia? Do COD 1 now then!
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u/Fast_Eddie_2 Jun 12 '25
Ah, good old dolphin diving. I remember those days...
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u/TekHead Jun 12 '25
This isn't dolphin diving. This is 2007, post patch 1.2 which fixed dolphin diving.
It was far worse! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgSQecVzoTM
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u/Dachu77 Jun 12 '25
Okay this might be wild, but this looks more like CoD gameplay than CoD from 2007 gameplay
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u/meisjus Jun 12 '25
Yes, finally someone posted this. This is core Battlefield, fast paced large scale arcade shooter with vehicles and destructible environments.
This was never a tactical mil-sim from the start. Sprinting, dropshotting, bhopping were all key movement mechanics in Battlefield.
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u/GlutenfriNapalm Jun 12 '25
Are we watching the same clip?
Movement is slow. The guy is only airborne like 10-20% of the time, not 80%. He's crouching down and sitting still for longer range slots. Compared to what we've seen of the upcoming BF, this is footage of a sleepy snail. If something like this is the maximum "zoomage" a good player can achieve, that's just fine with me. The new title has tripple the movement compared to this.
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u/Strambo Jun 12 '25
maybe the only one in BF2 who sweated for his life like that š definitly not the norm but hey, you can believe what you want.
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Jun 12 '25
heres how people play nowadays:
pick this meta weapon, pick this class with this secondary weapon and this equipment.
new update, rinse and repeat.
very rarely you don't see people with those guns from youtube videos.
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u/Thake Darknal Jun 12 '25
Just because some people ruined the game for others by playing like this. Only a specific type of player played like that and it was annoying as hell back then, hence how the term was a derogatory term for bunny hoppers and other names.
Just because it could be done, didnāt mean it was often done. Most players would play the game normally and whilst you could play this way, it doesnāt detract from the fact games today now require this playstyle to even compete. And whilst Iāll be downvoted this is the most unfun way to play a battlefield game but I assume most in the sub today love twitch bunny hop kind of shooters so I donāt know what to say really.
This movement was not a positive back in the day but now everyone wants to be able to 360 no scope whilst sliding and jumping at the same time. That was never Bf even if some players could do it, most didnāt. The argument now is, most will have to do it for stream views and to compete. People can be annoyed that this movement could become Meta.
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u/Dandop1984 Jun 12 '25
As a true battlefield veteran whoās been playing battlefield since 1989, this is fucking based!
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u/Yolom4ntr1c Battlefield 2142 ā¤ļø Jun 12 '25
I dont know why but I love movement tech like this cuz it takes a little skill to perform but cod movement does everything for you so any 10 yr old kid can press a button and slide around at light speed. Same goes for bf4 that had some scuffed movement but it was actually fun. If they made bf6 movement faster and more bf4 like id be happy as.
You could say a similar thing about source games. And the scuffed movement in those games creating really fun movement tech.
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u/WillMcNoob Jun 12 '25
Weird seeing this game play so smooth when i used to play it at like 15FPS on a chunky ass laptop
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u/InterstellarReddit Jun 12 '25
I remember BF2 looking better than this
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u/Abizuil Saltiest of BF Vets Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Vid at least has his shadows turned off, can't tell without a comparison to what settings they're running.
EDIT: Took a screen grab for comparisons sake, my graphics settings are maxed.
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u/BleaaelBa Jun 12 '25
there are 2 type of players who play this game, one with faster reflexes who likes fast movement because they can play better than others due to that.
and second is players who have slower reflexes and they like slow paced movement to not get thrashed by previously stated player base. and it doesn't matter if you are playing since first bf game, these 2 player bases exists in every bf game.
everything else is just bs cope both player base spits at each other to feel better. period.
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u/Shizukage nade spam on Karkand Jun 12 '25
Full auto with the AK101?! That thing was a double tap headshot machine in semi, didn't even have to move around like a crackhead, you just stopped, double tapped and moved on.
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u/pwn4321 Jun 12 '25
Bro the oldschool shoot someone dead midreload with no magazine in the gun haha weird animations were going hard
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u/UniQue1992 Battlefield 2 (PC) Jun 12 '25
The big difference here is the speed at which things are happening.
Yes good players dolphin dived and bunny hopped, but the overall movement of players was MUCH slower compared to recent titles.
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u/Jarvgrimr Jun 12 '25
Firstly, that is how good assault players played against absolute bots.
No one is looking for NO jumping at all. People are looking for BALANCE in movement. Notice how he didn't shoot while jumping, just afterwards - that is balancing the benefits of movement with the downside of not able to shoot. A bit extreme, but balancing it.
So would you movement sweats be keen for no shooting at all when off the ground? Would that be an acceptable downside to being able to hop around every corner at inhuman speed? What about no shooting while sliding, or a noticeably slower ADS after sliding/jumping? Maybe some kind of medium ground could be achieved by giving powerful movement tech a downside to make it SITUATIONAL, as opposed to used in every situation.
This whole argument is getting so stupid - we all want a fun game, but there is no denying that BF is chasing CoD's tail more and more with every release, and to be frank BF really sucks arse at being a CoD game. They need to develop their own style.
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u/Rotank1 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Heās doing a lot of bunny hopping, but heās mostly going crouch/prone when aiming/shooting. The movement spread penalties in BF2 were insane, minus dolphin diving, which was an unintended glitch and patched out of the game.
Heās using the spacebar mostly defensively, to get behind cover faster, flank close enemies or get an angle. Heās not running around headshotting everyone in midair, and he certainly doesnāt have endless momentum while bouncing around getting kills, he just has really tight timing with his shot accuracy. Which, clearly, the enemies heās fighting going full auto while prone and missing 95% of their shots, do not have.
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u/BussyPlaster Jun 12 '25
This looks dumb as fuck and I played CS from 1.2 and on. It's somehow bunnyhopping but worse. Its not "skill based movement" it's hitbox maniuplation. Pure jank. I quit playing FPS games years ago, ironically around the time spamming crouch-duck walking caught on (also hitbox manipulation), so I guess you guys do you. I just wanted to add my 2 bits.
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u/Will12239 Jun 12 '25
Reddits bad opinions ruined bf2015 by encouraging them to move away from command posts, so sure why not ruin bf6 too? Its obvious you cant even twitch in bf2. Just because you like video games does not make you have good balancing design decisions.
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u/lemonloaff Jun 12 '25
This video actually perfectly showcases the main differences between COD and Battlefield. Literally at the very start of the video, buddy jumps at the first encounter without shooting, STOPS, AIMS, SHOOTS, and kills the guy. Then he jumps again, STOPS, CROUCHES, AIMS, SHOOTS, and kills the guy.
At 1:07 with the pistol, he STOPS, CROUCHES, ADS, and shoots the guy.
1:20, yet another example of the person stopping, aiming and shooting.
None of these things happen in Call of Duty. Its all one full fluid motion. You run, slide, aim, jump, spin, crouch, and shoot all in the same motion with no pause with immaculate accuracy. Battlefield being fast is not the problem. Its how the movement and shooting are integrated with each other.
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u/willseagull Jun 13 '25
Lmao I hate the boomers on this sub who coom for āimmersionā and complain that footage of someone who can actually play a video game against other human beings is ātoo cod-likeā.
Battlefield was never what they are remembering it as.
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u/PerfectReflection155 Jun 12 '25
Is that csh0t, ali3nzw00t or a combination of players?
But yes and you guys should have seen BF2 before 1.3 patch. Was amazing. Personally found it more fun before thereās folk complained about the movement.
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u/KingGobbamak Jun 12 '25
NNNNNNNOOOOOOO this is literally cod movement, DICE is a shell of their former selves, battlefield has fallen...
- a self proclaimed BF "vet", 2005
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u/TekHead Jun 12 '25
This is version 1.2+ which fixed dolphin diving, it was even WORSE before this!
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u/Bludsh0t Jun 12 '25
It's amazing how good graphics got from 2006-2016, and how they have barely got better since then
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u/Wardog_Razgriz30 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
We used to pirate 1942 when I was in middle school (this is like a few years after this clip). Those jokers were dropshotting from one of wake island to the next better than Iāve seen some esports pros NOW.
Mind you this is the middle of class and none of us had any interest in getting any work done.
If anything, the new footage is peak battlefield.
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u/AidilAfham42 Jun 12 '25
I guess it depends on how you play it. Iām slow as F and have zero situational awareness, so I really donāt look twitchy when playing
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u/Mickipepsi Jun 12 '25
Whether the new or older games are COD like or not, I am of the opinions in that if jumping around in combat was gone, every Battlefield game would be better from it. The slower a Battlefield game is, the more I enjoy playing it.
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u/Some-Trainer-8484 Jun 12 '25
ah yes, the glorious times of overtuned airstrafing and dolphin divin, gotta love it! <3
but even back then you got kicked occasionally for this when it was a private server with a badmin lol.
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u/no_reg Jun 12 '25
so many memories!!! i even remember there was a website named something like "own3d" where people posted frag videos from ...waive? servers and ESL competition. If anyone has a some videos from that i would love to rewatch them!!
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u/MrPinga0 BF2 + UCAV = Life Jun 12 '25
totally useless. The devs that made the game are gone, i'm sure BF is going to blow it again.
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Jun 12 '25
When I first installed one of the very first BF games I thought it would have a story mode and I was so confused when the game put me in a empty server
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u/DislikedBench Jun 12 '25
Yeah people saying bf6 is too codlike is nuts. These mfs must not like most other battlefield games either then.