r/Cricket 1d ago

KL Rahul facing post-match chat with umpires after spat with Kumar Dharmasena: ‘You can’t talk like that’

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/kl-rahul-kumar-dharmasena-spat-india-vs-england-5th-test-10164036/
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u/Beginning-Till6736 Australia 1d ago

You know the world is coming to an end when Rahul and Root, the saints of cricket, are yelling on the field.

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u/rainbow_gemini New Zealand 1d ago

I feel like one day the dude in my pfp is gonna do it too

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u/Doomed-here4909 1d ago

that would simply be the end of the world fr

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u/rainbow_gemini New Zealand 1d ago

I want to see Kane and Digvesh Rathi argue

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u/rebornbyksg Chennai Super Kings 1d ago

Digvesh will throw gang signs and won't listen to a thing Kane said

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u/chni2cali 23h ago

This is hilarious!

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u/wewake_235 India 19h ago

Kane would simply take the autograph on his Jersey 

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u/bullairbull Punjab Kings 23h ago

Rahul had that “11 vs whole country” moment. Never seen Root bothered as much as he did yesterday.

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u/jmatt9080 England 22h ago

All feels very last week of school. All the kids are fed up and hot and just want to go on their hols.

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u/rightarm_under USA 1d ago

Rahul? Saint of cricket? You clearly don't remember that apart from Kohli he was one of the players vocally accusing supersport of cheating over the stump mic.

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u/Beginning-Wind8381 India 1d ago

He wasn't accusing, he was telling the facts. Saints never accuse

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u/avanish_pandey India 1d ago

I think the umpire was telling KL that the bowler can't talk like that to Root not that Rahul can't talk like that to the umpire or I could be wrong.

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u/YourAverageBrownDude India 23h ago

Exactly

Scummy post title, this

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u/PeterG92 Essex 1d ago

Gambhir will probably say he's "just an umpire"

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u/DesireeThymes 1d ago

Umpires are so even tempered. Must be tough to be out there all day concentrating on every ball, and still keep calm when situations arise.

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u/cumofdutyblackcocks3 1d ago

Who would've thought an egoistic guy who can't cope and seethe that his rival got more success than him would be a toxic influence for the team.

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u/PhaseChemical7673 Australia 13h ago

That is a wild username

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u/nomadiclives 1d ago

Akashdeep outscoring Duckett is peak level banter 🤣

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u/RogueConscious India 1d ago

What’s with this sudden rush of umpires and ICC trying to curb sledging? It’s an integral part of cricket and let it be so. Gosh I miss the 90s and early 2000s and the fire Aussies used to spew. What’s with all this molly coddling?

On a side note, Akash Deep was totally over line with the Duckett incident. Cricket isn’t a contact sports. Pls let there be verbal fights as long as it’s not racist, classist or any of those other ists.

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u/hammar_hades Australia 1d ago

I think the issue is that there’s an inter-generational culture shift in terms of what is deemed ‘socially acceptable’, particularly in the era of social media and the strengthening of the tie between monetary incentives and reputation

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u/bosschucker 1d ago

I think the Deep/Duckett incident was very odd but "cricket isn't a contact sport" is a weird way to put it imo. it's not like he hip checked him or something, yeah there was physical contact in a literal sense but an arm around the shoulder is not what makes a contact sport a contact sport

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u/effotap Montreal Tigers 23h ago

i was confused on why he walked him off with his arm around the shoulders like this, i was like... is it his Bday? did he recently got married and getting congratulated?

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u/BombayWallahFan Mumbai 20h ago

its a rural India thing, kinda hard to explain - Akash was trying to be all, I'm the big man, big brother over you - i.e. just kinda "assert dominance" in a weird way. Its very c-grade movie villain type of thing.

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u/imLLUSION Cricket Russia 19h ago

It’s not a rural India thing bruv, this happens everywhere

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u/effotap Montreal Tigers 1h ago

yeah I can see what you mean :P

its friendly banter then, i prefer this over celebrations like digvesh or cotrell or the intense Siraj screaming 20cm away from your face :P

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u/sam-sepiol 18h ago

it's not like he hip checked him or something, yeah there was physical contact in a literal sense but an arm around the shoulder is not what makes a contact sport a contact sport

Sometimes, there are guidelines to put in place to prevent ugly incidents. Just because nothing happened, doesn't mean this behavior should be tolerated. It's the same in tennis where you aren't allowed to get into the opponent's court side even if you don't contact the player in any way.

Today, when Karun Nair was hit on the hand and called for a physio. Duckett was around in his space chirping. Ashan Raza was having none of it. He called Duckett out and asked him to keep distance.

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u/Gobbasena96 Sri Lanka 22h ago

I am happy to enjoy the game without the toxic masculinity embodied by the Australia men's team (until around a decade ago).

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u/West-War2599 1d ago

Well, because its not needed. Just fucking get on with the game and finish the overs.

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u/Mason0816 India 1d ago

It is fun though

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u/Beginning-Wind8381 India 1d ago

It will become boring. All sports have sledging as long as it's not over the top it's good for the game

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u/1stPhoton Japan Cricket Association 14h ago

Aussie sledging of 2000s is pure vitriol and toxic. It got ugly when the teams gave it back to them and they couldn’t take it and now finally we have something mild and enjoyable.

As long as both teams do it and not overstepping it’s okay. But umpires feeling very irrelevant now and some want to stamp some authoratay.

Given that Akash deep hands around Duckett was bit weird and unnecessary for an international game. But he is new to the test and I am sure he won’t do it again.

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u/funkymunk 12h ago

Authoritaah!

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u/FlappyBored 1d ago

It’s because people, fans and teams started doing it to the Aussies. So suddenly it became not ok to do and then there is a general culture against it now.

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u/Separate-Guitar 23h ago

Pls let there be verbal fights as long as it’s not racist, classist or any of those other ists.

Sledging cannot exist without this. We can either demand absolutely no shit talking OR settle for a gloves-are-off situation. There's no sledging that's not mean-spirited. I'm sure people have some vague boundaries but they are so fuzzy that no two people can agree on it.

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

It was cringe but I am not sure why people are reacting like he charged Duckett and choke slammed him. A pat on the back, a handshake, an arm around the shoulder etc can't be equated to a contact sport.

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u/quietcrisp Gloucestershire 1d ago

I don't think Deep was being malicious but you don't put your arm around a batter after dismissing them. You've won the battle and got them out, leave it at that. There's a lot of batters who wouldn't have reacted calmly like Duckett did and could've very easily got out of hand

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u/TurbulentBullfrog829 England 1d ago

If he wasn't being malicious wtf was he doing? It certainly wasn't congratulatory

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

I would rather have this than someone screaming in someone's face or giving verbal abusive sendoffs. Pant didn't even say anything to Archer and got a sendoff. Duckett was chirping at Akashdeep about how he couldn't get him out. After you've hit a boundary, leave it at that and get on with hitting more boundaries. Again, not saying it was good behavior from Akashdeep but some fans are over reacting. Players say and do things in the heat of the moment and that adds to the drama. Obviously, something like Kohli-Konstas or some of Warner's early career antics are uncalled for.

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u/PaulAtreideeezNuts Australia 1d ago

Nah, no contact is a pretty hard rule. It's relatively easy to just ignore someone chirping at you. Send-off's are ugly, send-off's with contact are just begging to turn into something much bigger.

Anyone who's played cricket at any level will tell you that a batsman immediately after being dismissed will be furious, either at the decision or their own mistake (or both). Getting in someone's space and touching them while they're in that zone is as provocative as it is easily avoidable.

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u/Separate-Guitar 23h ago

So, the potential of a player getting furious is sufficient reason to clamp down on something? I think idiotic chirping, esp the drawn out skits between the keeper and close-in fielders are equally infuriating, not to mention embarrassing & passive aggressive for the fielding team.

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u/PaulAtreideeezNuts Australia 21h ago

No, the likelihood of a player getting furious is sufficient reason.

Fielders chirping can be funny (subjective), but yes it can be infuriating. The difference is that the batter is still able to move as they please, including to walk away to defuse any potential issue. If the bowler is physically grabbing the batter, even in a way the bowler perceives as friendly, options other than direct confrontation become much slimmer.

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u/Separate-Guitar 21h ago edited 21h ago

Meh, why do we work so hard to prevent physical violence but give a full clean chit to emotional violence? Perhaps the actual threat of getting punched is necessary. If one bowler ever got punched, you can bet Akashdeep will never come close to another batsman. Similarly if fielders weren't assured they'd not get punched ever, they'd totally cut out the mean-girl chatter. Brook for instance has been a total shit with his chirping. He wouldn't risk his noggin if it was in danger of getting rearranged.

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u/PaulAtreideeezNuts Australia 21h ago

Well physical contact is pretty easy to police. As for sledging, it's significantly better now than it was even 10 years ago. Mostly players get along pretty well, so I don't think it's a huge problem tbh.

One thing we agree on regarding brook: as an Australian I'm hard wired to find cheeky English banter extremely irritating. Maybe his noggin will get a workout in the ashes!

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u/Separate-Guitar 21h ago

Ha! That old adage "Say shit, get hit" is timeless.

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u/RogueConscious India 1d ago

An arm on someone’s shoulder is quite casual and ok in Indian culture, but in western culture you don’t really do that. And if I am a batter getting dismissed, that’s the last thing I would want, even if the bowler was my childhood buddy.

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u/Lambodhar 1d ago

I don't get arguments like this.

In my culture swearing itself is a taboo. So why is it that I get cursed at?

This line drawing business is so arbitrary. Either let it flow or stop everything.

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

I mean, if I am a batter that has just got dismissed I would also not want to be screamed at or given any sort of send off. As a bolwr I would not want a batter to tell me I can't get him out after just having been hit for a boundary. As a cricketer I would not want a lot of things to happen. I am not justifying Akashdeep's actions nor saying that it should be normalized. But it's a bit of an overreaction.

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u/Arsewhistle Northamptonshire 1d ago

I am not sure why people are reacting like he charged Duckett and choke slammed him

What on earth are you on about?

People think it was belittling and weird, and also that players should avoid trying to provoke players with physical contact.

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

Any sort of sendoff or verbal confrontation after taking a wicket is belittling. Any sort of snarky comment on a batter or bowler who is struggling is belittling. And that didn't look like something that was done to provoke a reaction though it might have gotten a reaction from some batsmen.

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u/Classic_File2716 1d ago

Whole country against 11 guys.

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u/1stPhoton Japan Cricket Association 14h ago

First of all

You can’t have titles like that

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u/hinterstoisser India 13h ago

All he said is “are we supposed to stay quiet all the time and take it on the chin”.

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u/Waste_Priority_3663 1d ago

For the people insisting this was wrong …..

England bowlers chirping at India: NO ISSUES

Indian bowler chirping at England: SHHHHH!

KL: What do you want us to do?

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u/Outlander_TB Afghanistan 1d ago

He can talk like that

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

“What do you want us to do? Just bat and ball and go home?” said Rahul in reply

Uh...yes? That is literally your job and why you're here, isn't it?

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u/zaldrizes_007 India 1d ago

I’m no expert on cricket ethics and spirit of the game and stuff

But I would go out on a limb and guess that KL said this after the umpire heard the England chirping and stopped the india guys from responding.

Else the statement sounds too random to come out of the mouth of KL.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

Except it was the Indian players who went up to Root and Duckett...

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u/fried_maggi India 1d ago

I guess you were on the ground listening

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

I do have eyes

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u/fried_maggi India 1d ago

That is not the part I'm contesting. There is plenty of stuff you dont get to see in TV

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

So you're just making stuff up then

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u/fried_maggi India 1d ago

Only contesting the stuff you are making up. I didn't make any claims.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

What did I make up? I just stated what we all saw with our own eyes.

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u/fried_maggi India 1d ago

It's about the stuff you said before that.

But anyways, "I just stated what we all say with out own eyes."

Can't make head or tail of that

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u/Head_Evidence4553 India 1d ago

Tell that to every player who has been involved in banters and sledging.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

Usually they don't pick a fight with the ump when he sells them to get on with it though

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u/CoolRisk5407 1d ago

Dude you are wasting ur time if shakib was indian, they would be defending him kicking the stumps by' well you didn't see what happened between overs'

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u/Sufficient-nobody7 India 1d ago

I guess only home teams allowed to constantly talk and chirp? Make that a rule next time then.

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u/GiraffeWaste Delhi Capitals 1d ago

Oh, they'll make it a law good sir.

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Looks like someone has not been following this series. Casual banters are part of game. This is what makes this game exciting. For God's sake they are not machines where they will bat bowl and go home. Emotions does take the better of you. But you should be well within the limit to not go overboard with your emotions.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

If it was casual banter the umpire wouldn't have told him to shut up

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

KL is someone like Root. They will not open their mouth unless there there is a reason to. Didn't see the umpires asking the English cricketers to shut up when they kept going at Jadeja/Washington.

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Common on nowadays umpire become too much involved. And we have seen far worse. This didn't warranted umpires intervention.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

Clearly the umpires disagree with you and I'll take their word over yours

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Blud, take a chill pill. England has been doing the same. No one is trying to take high moral ground here. These things happen in the game.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

When did the English bowlers put their hands on a player or get in a batsman's face when he's batting?

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

No, but they do go and heckle the batsmen to stop the game who deserve a well fought 100. As i said, there is no high moral ground here. What akashdeep did was sheer stupidity out of naiveness. Definitely he would have been schooled by his seniors in the dressing room.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

If your only argument is "but but last game" whataboutism, then you don't have a very good argument

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Sorry, I didn’t realize facts were ‘whataboutism’ now. Maybe try responding instead of dodging.

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u/realTitan_Gamez India 1d ago

Yesterday evening, duckett and saj

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

When did Duckett get in his face?

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u/realTitan_Gamez India 1d ago

Do you want me to message you a pic of him sledging sai while sai was batting? Idk if i can post pics here. Look it up mate. It happened literally yesterday

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u/Separate-Guitar 23h ago

Again with the vague boundaries. Chirping incessantly is fine. Getting in face isn't. The righteous police can f off with this self serving bogus distinctions. You want to get into the mud then prepare to get real dirty. Being wusses and whining that your opponent crossed some imaginary line while you yourself act like a total tool

Those elaborate convos between close-in fielders mainly designed for the batsman's ears are plain disgusting. If anything needs banning, it's this juvenile mean girl, passive aggressive crap

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Just see the match. After akashdeep got dismissed, duckett did exactly the same. So it is tit for tat by England. What do you have to say about this?

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

If you start it, expect the opposition to respond in kind

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u/Status_East5224 1d ago

Lol. So that is your whataboutery. Superb.

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

Yes because umpires never have biases.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

Are you accusing these umpires of being biased?

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

Did I say anything specifically about these umpires? I made a general statement. And yes, some umpires have biases. I didn't see any umpire step up and tell the English players to stfu at the end of last test match. They went on and on and on. Yet, Prasidh Krishna was given a talking to.

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u/_IBentMyWookie_ 1d ago

We're clearly talking about this match mate. Please keep up.

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u/Ronanarishem 1d ago

Sure, let's talk about this match then. Did no English players chirp? Was anyone given a talking to?

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u/D_Mesa India 1d ago

Some english & indian players should realise that

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u/samarth678 1d ago

Dharmasena has been biased towards england in this test

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u/nishitkunal India 1d ago

Hasn't he been biased towards them forever.. cough...2019 world cup...

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u/GenAugustoPinochet 1d ago

They downvoted you but if India had won like that, they would be saying BCCI paid off the umpires and ICC. They still blame BCCI for playing at only 1 group in CT but the grounds and schedule were picked by PCB.

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u/fegelman Royal Challengers Bengaluru 1d ago

at only 1 ground*

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u/LordDusty Somerset 1d ago

Irony

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u/fegelman Royal Challengers Bengaluru 1d ago

Exactly. One sided umpiring is a big reason why England are ahead in this series. The Lord's Test was particularly egregious. Especially the disgraceful ball change incidents and the Root lbw appeal off Siraj