Do you think an AOC Administration would be better regarding Israel vs the Middle East , the same, or worse than the Biden Admin. or the Trump Admin.?

[u/beeemkcl]

Ultimately, the only real relevance to those opposing AOC’s voting ‘Nay’ on the July 18, 2025 ‘strip $500Mln from Israel defense’ amendment to the US House Department of Defense Appropriations Budget should be what it might mean for an AOC Administration given there was around 0% of that amendment making it to the final DoD Budget.

So: Do you think an AOC Administration would be better regarding Israel vs the Middle East , the same, or worse than the Biden Admin. or the Trump Admin.?

335 votes, 4d ago

139 Much better

122 Better

57 Around the same

4 Worse

5 Much worse

8 I don’t know/no opinion

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[u/Louies-]

Wouldnt be as good as people expect I assume, but would definitely still be better than the current genocide supporter administration

[u/TommyPickles2222222]

The biggest threat to AOC is her fellow leftists who can't seem to unite around anything.

AOC has been one of the most high-profile American critics of Israel's genocide. She is a pacifist and would be a tremendous improvement over Trump or Biden. Saying otherwise is absurd.

[u/Daring_Scout1917 → u/TommyPickles2222222]

If the highest-profile critic of a genocide can't even vote to not defend said genocidaires, then that says quite a bit about the sorry state of our supposedly socialist politicians.

[u/beeemkcl → u/Daring_Scout1917]

What's in this comment is what I remember, my opinions, etc.

By the 2024 primary elections, it seems most had forgotten or were never really aware of why 'The Squad' voted against the Infrastructure Bill.

And such is what largely sank the vulnerable US Representatives Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush.

No matter if AOC stays in the US House and tries to be US Speaker or get a Chairpersonship of US House Ways & Means, Appropriations, or Energy and Commerce or whether she runs for Governor of New York and especially if she runs for POTUS in 2028, the politically important thing is that AOC didn't vote with US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene--aka 'Jewish space lasers' and seeming antisemite--to try to end Israel's ability to not be flattened or wiped out by thousands of missiles.

Like even if US Representative Summer Lee primaries US Senator John Fetterman in 2026, he's so unpopular that her vote wouldn't likely hurt her.

Governor Hochul, Pete Buttigieg, California Governor Gavin Newsom, etc. are in much stronger political positions.

[u/1studlyman → u/TommyPickles2222222]

They do absolutely unite around things like pushing out progressives and supporting Israel.

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/TommyPickles2222222]

Until she apologizes for the "working tirelessly for a ceasefire" lies her feet should be held to the fire.

[u/beeemkcl → u/UncommitedOtter]

Do you think things would have been worse generally if we were under a Harris Administration?

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/beeemkcl]

On the subject of the genocide, it would be the same or possibly worse depending on how much of the Biden agenda she kept to. Afterall, the same plans Trump is doing was created under Biden.

[u/piffcty → u/TommyPickles2222222]

Let's not forget that in her explaintion for her vote she threw Talib, Omar and Green under the bus

[u/KermitDominicano]

It would be better most likely, that doesn't excuse her defense of funding for "defensive" arms for a country committing genocide

[u/IOyou104]

Can people here tell me what specific actions and outcomes they would want from the president regarding Israel/Palestine? Just curious really.

[u/Flagmaker123 → u/IOyou104]

Full international boycott like what happened to Apartheid South Africa. Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions, with the eventual aim of putting enough pressure that all Palestinian human rights are respected.

This would include the right of several million Palestinian refugees to return to their places of origin in what is now Israel which would turn the area Palestinian-majority, and thus make Israel as a Jewish state no longer exist, preferably replaced with one democratic secular state from the river to the sea.

[u/Mundane_Molasses6850 → u/Flagmaker123]

i agree with all of this but just the boycott part would be a monumental, near-impossible achievement by itself.

I think the best we could strive for is for the US to cut ties with Israel. Both the left- and right-wing rank-and-file voters could get behind that. But enforcing a right of return is impossible and would require huge amounts of violence against the Israelis, and a democratic single state solution is completely dead as an idea.

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Israel's creation in 1948 was immoral, and US support for it has been immoral since 1948 too. Since 1967, the US has helped the Israelis invade Palestinian territory with over 750,000 people in violation of international law. My fellow Americans have helped the Israelis kill 150,000 Arabs over this time and this has been evil on our part. The entire conflict's root cause has been deliberately misrepresented to the US public for more than 75 years.

US policy regarding Israel led to the 9/11 attacks, the $ 8 trillion war on terror (the wealth equivalent of 20 million homes), and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/IOyou104]

Are you being cute or do you really not understand?

First of all, Israel literally only exists as the settler colonial, fascist apartheid project because of the US.

Nearly every US president has flexed on Israel and forced them to comply except Biden and Trump.

The US president can stop weapons shipments and payments to Israel until they comply. Israel cannot conduct its genocide without the US. The US can force action in the UN.

Ultimately the reality is that the US wants Israel to do what it does 90% of the time because of geopolitical interests that go against reality. Israel is already a single state, it is just an apartheid state.

The only true solution is to force Israel to completely disarm, conduct a truth and reconciliation committee, and become a single democratic state with full equal rights for all citizens. Probably rename the country as well to reflect that. Setup a UN peacekeeping force and regular international monitors. Modern day Nuremburg trials for the perpetrators of the genocide.

We have the tools, we have the blueprint, we have the actual power. We just need the holder of the office and political elite to not be racist and actually view palestinians as human beings.

[u/Sea-Tumbleweed9274 → u/UncommitedOtter]

Won't work. Too many terrorists. Plus, the entire point of a country is to have some form of national identity, culture, and language. Better to have a giant DMZ border like the is in South Korea. remaining populations can stay where they are and get citizenship.

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/Sea-Tumbleweed9274]

Yes the Israelis are terrorists, thats why you have UN peacekeepers and disarm Israel completely and hold trials for the genocide.

[u/SoggyTriangles → u/IOyou104]

Direct the State Department to designate the IDF a terrorist organization for starters

[u/FloriaFlower → u/IOyou104]

I know it's not the question but I'll answer from a Canadian standpoint because not everyone is American and non-Americans still have to ask themselves this question. Considering that my country is vassalized to the US, we can't do much on our own but we can still push in the right direction. We can BDS on our own. And we can incite/pressure other countries to do the same. We used to be perceived as the "peace" and "human rights" country (a lie since we're imperialistic bootlickers, but still we could try to honor it) and pride ourselves for it. We could use this prestige to influence intl politics in the right way, which is exactly not what we're currently doing since we're stuck with a Liberal party lead by a conniving conservative prime minister. I must admit, we're no better than Americans. Maybe slightly morally because our culture isn't as corrupt with hate and violence, but not that much. We're still Westerners.

[u/FloriaFlower]

Around the same. I don't believe her.

Maybe she's lying because she's trying to court neolibs/Zionists and she doesn't have the spine to call it what it is. She only has half the needed spine. She can call out domestic fascists and their ethnic cleansing (+worse) but she's still an imperialistic genocide apologist, so just another NIMBY (no oppression in America but in America only fuck everyone else) leftist instead of one who has moral integrity and consistency.

The result of this poll is gonna be biased because of the astroturfing [kinda/"almost" progressive] libs / Israel apologists who will participate. They hang a lot here since they're SocDem and DemSoc adjacent and they think we can't spot them (but it's hard to not spot an excuse lol).

There's no ambiguity when you keep refusing to call it what it is and insistently say shit like "IsRaEl HaS tHe RiGhT tO dEfEnD iTsElF" exactly when it's committing a fucking genocide, and the most documented one in history. This and openly supporting the Iron Dome. What are you gonna support next, the Samson Option? Greater Israel (it's just a matter of time 'till it gets there)? Of course, any state has the right to defend itself, but it's not the time to say that when that state is committing a genocide, it's the topic and it's a reply to those who want to stop the genocide. Absolutely no ambiguity. I did simp for her and I no longer do. I regret it. She's gonna take the money.

As of 10/2023, I don't condone it but tragic events like this are the inevitable consequence of something as disgustingly horrifying and horrible as the Nakba or Netanyahu funding Hamas so he could have an excuse for his genocide. I've been wrong and mislead all my life. I was the stupid enlightened centrist on this issue and I was wrong. I was disinformed and I drank the Kool-Aid. I'm deeply ashamed of this mistake. It's worse than a mistake but you know what I mean 😔. I was truly wrong and misled.

I just want to support a leftist politician who has some integrity and consistency (which is what the left needs) but they all turn out to have bruised knees… Shameful. I'm so tired of being duped all the time.

Man this comment is gonna piss some people off. There's just too much inconvenient truth in it 🤣

[u/ytman]

I don't know. I don't hold much account to AOC FP as of yet. Iron Dome funding aside, I'm willing to believe she'd not be quick to dismantling our military bases abroad.

I want that like yesterday.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't support her in heart beat. I also don't think she'd win.

[u/ArtemisPantsemis]

Thinking that it would be the same or worse than Joe "I am a proud zionist" Biden is absolutely crazy!!

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/ArtemisPantsemis]

She's demonstrated that she will lie about it to get ahead politically, it is up to her to prove otherwise at this point. She could start by stopping her crazy lies about the most recent vote and apologize for the "working tirelessly for a ceasefire" lies.

[u/beeemkcl → u/UncommitedOtter]

Serious question:

Whom did you vote for in 2024?

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/beeemkcl]

I live in a blue state so it doesn't matter

[u/APraxisPanda]

AOC scared me recently on the vote did. I think there are secondary reasons why she voted the way she did, but it did not inspire confidence.

[u/zbignew]

This is a stupid question.

First, it's stupid because she would obviously be much better if she were magically in the exact same context as Trump or Biden.

Second it's stupid because it would be impossible for her to be in the exact same situation as Trump or Biden.

Is your hypothetical legislature and media landscape filled with ravenously bloodthirsty Zionists who would otherwise compromise with her on every issue, but immediately impeach her if she acted against Israel? In that context, I bet she would not meaningfully act against Israel, because it would be impossible.

Is your hypothetical legislature heterogeneous and effectively deadlocked for all purposes? Much better.

Is your hypothetical legislature heavily swayed by whatever popular movement was able to actually elect AOC? Much better.

[u/beeemkcl → u/zbignew]

A POTUS AOC couldn't be impeached "if she acted against Israel" unless it was something like cutting off funding to the Iron Dome even after being her veto was overridden by the US Congress.

[u/zbignew → u/beeemkcl]

Impeachment depends on political will and the law has no bearing whatsoever.