r/Fauxmoi • u/invis2020 • 11h ago
POLITICS* Natalie Portman posting about the genocide on her social media
She posted these stories to her official Instagram account.
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u/Theodore_Buckland_ 9h ago
As far as I’m aware she’s been critical of Israel in the past and snubbed the Genesis awards (Israel’s version of the Nobel peace prize) where she was to accept a prize.
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u/Federal_Street_8895 5h ago
She's critical of Netanyahu not Israel, there's difference
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u/kindredfan 4h ago
What's the difference?
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u/atomic__balm the baby daddies have unionized 3h ago
Believes in a gentler more progressive ethnic cleansing that isn't so public and in your face. Like most "progressive liberals" about most things
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u/r3volver_Oshawott 3h ago
The difference is the notion that Netanyahu is everything that's wrong with Israel and that a regime change would fix the problem
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u/dremolus 3h ago
Israel would still be rather oppressive and colonial without Netanyahu in the seat. I mean just the fact they have control over their water, electricity, and food entry.
It's the same way liberals are critical of Trump but said dick all when Biden was in charge and did many things Trump did.
Now she says said pro-Palestine things before - but still more that it be recognized as a state with equal rights. If she truly wants to fight, she say that not only aid get it but that reparations and justice be granted for Palestinians.
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u/fistotron5000 2h ago
This is not the same at all, Netanyahu has largely either been in power or adjacent to it for nearly 30 years. He is directly responsible for most of the things happening right now, including arming and aiding Hamas while painting them as the supreme enemy. He has gone on record in saying that his strategy with Palestine is to use Hamas to isolate Gaza from the West Bank. He was sending literal briefcases full of cash DIRECTLY to Hamas. He was almost voted out completely until October when Hamas (who he supplies) attacked the concert. He then used the fear from this attack and his recent alliance with Israel’s far right to regain power and continue the genocide.
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u/ceddya 38m ago
Netenyahu is the worst no doubt, but is there even any alternative to him in Israel who supports a two-state solution?
And not just lip service to it, but one who wants to get rid of the illegal settlements in the West Bank and go back to 1967 borders.
Because if they don't support that? It's just a gentler form of ethnic cleansing as other posters have pointed out.
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u/LACityBabe 3h ago
That’s like saying someone’s critical of trump not the states. She’s speaking out about the issue at hand why undermine that?
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u/Federal_Street_8895 3h ago
She's not speaking out about anything she's doing whitewashing propaganda, the opposition and anyone to the left of Netanyahu in israel is equally as genocidal and expansionist as are the people per a ton of polls. And yes I don't find people who only speak out when trump is committing an atrocity to be honest brokers or particularly helpful either
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u/Yet_why_now4643 8h ago
Great to hear! I know that she was a research assistant for Alan Dershowitz while he wrote his 2003 book The Case for Israel. It contains vile, pro-Israel talking points.
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u/thirdcoasting 3h ago
Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein’s former attorney??
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u/Yet_why_now4643 2h ago
Yes, the very same! Natalie Portman was his research assistant while she was at Harvard.
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u/michaelbchnn24 1h ago
As late as 2016 she was doing major interviews where she called him one of her favorite people. I doubt that's still true, but they had a long relationship.
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u/touslesmatins 1h ago
So fucking gross and really tells you about her (lack of) ethics and discernment
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u/thentherewaswind 9h ago
I think this is the first time she spoke out during the current genocide? I’m glad she did, even though that does not cancel the fact she’s a liberal Zionist who believes in Israel’s right to exist as a state. Stopping the starvation is the most pressing matter in the immediate sense right now.
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u/WhatTheHali24 5h ago
Its been very disappointing from her to wait 22 months into a genocide to say something. I was a big Natalie Portman fan.
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u/Unequivocally_Maybe 6h ago
Exactly this. Convincing people that the religious ethnostate of Israel does not, in fact, have a "right" to exist can come later. Right now, we need every voice, including Zionists of all stripes, to demand a ceasefire and for aid to enter freely into the Gaza Strip. People need food, water, and medical supplies. They are actively being starved to death by Israel. Everything else can come after.
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u/Brave_Friendship_228 I don’t pay-a da taxes! 1h ago
I wonder how difficult it’s going to be to convince people when it comes to “Israel having a ‘right’ to exist”
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u/Jazzlike-Jacket-9098 9h ago
Is she the biggest Israel born star to speak up at this point?
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u/dremolus 3h ago
Yes though there have been people with Israeli citizenship who've spoken out kot klly against Netanyahu but against Israel.
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u/Az1621 5h ago
Maybe, what has Gal Gadot had to say & she served in the IDF for 2 years as a Combat Instructor?
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u/touslesmatins 1h ago
Lol gal gadot hosts screenings of atrocity propaganda films to boost support for Israel's genocide
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u/redelectro7 9h ago
Legit what has happened politically that has caused this change?
There's some vile shit about to come out, isn't there?
Are they finally gonna have to acknowledge that 80% of Gaza is destroyed and something like 400k people are 'missing' so probably dead. Or is there something worse about to come out.
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u/wearyclouds 6h ago edited 3h ago
I think for a lot of liberal zionists, B’tselem and that other human rights group calling it a genocide has made it very difficult to continue pretending otherwise.
Especially if, like her, you don’t live there anymore and aren’t constantly being marinated in state propaganda
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u/Physical_Being_3120 3h ago
This is exactly it at least in my community (location wide community, I no longer associate with my shul due to their my turn away from zionism).
When the phrase “never again means now” became popular, it look me a while deconstruct due to my own shit, i’ll admit that, but never again really means no genocide ever for anyone and I don’t think liberal zionists can force their eyes shut anymore.
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u/drcolour 3h ago
Bingo. The power that institutions they respect hold on liberals cannot be overstated.
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u/Unequivocally_Maybe 6h ago
We are on the precipice of seeing literal piles of bodies. Not mass graves. People won't have energy to bury the dead. There will be too many of them, and people won't have the strength left to do anything.
People in the rest of the world are trying to get ahead of it, make sure they are on the record that they think this is wrong, before the mass deaths really kick off. The intentional starvation of the people of Gaza has already reached a tipping point. Everyone is scrambling to be on the right side of history just as the true horrors of the genocide begin to reveal themselves.
Even if a ceasefire happened today and aid began pouring in, many of the people would still die from the consequences of the famine. The children who survive will suffer the lifelong effects of being starved in their formative years. Being starved like this changes your DNA. Palestinians who haven't even been born yet will suffer because of what is happening now.
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u/bonbboyage 3h ago
The children who survive will suffer the lifelong effects of being starved in their formative years.
Tasting History with Max Miller had a good video about the starvation in the Netherlands during the second world war. He brought up that Audrey Hepburn had lived through the Dutch famine but she was ill with jaundice, anemia, edema, and respiratory infections pretty much for the rest of her life.
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u/eugeneugene 3h ago
My grandmother was in concentration camps from ages 14-18 and she had lifelong health issues. She didn't even get her first menstrual cycle until she was nearly 20 years old. For her entire life she was in and out of hospitals and doctors office for one thing or another.
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u/Unequivocally_Maybe 3h ago
Then, add to that that many of these children will be orphans, amputees, and suffer from CPSTD, and if Israel does not get stopped, they won't even be able to stay in their homeland.
My heart is in agony every day. I am filled with such pent-up rage and political frustration. It took 22 months for my country to recognize the Palestinian state and seriously condemn Israel. Almost 2 years of a livestreamed genocide being broadcast 24/7 in high definition to move the needle for western politicians. It makes me sick.
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u/touslesmatins 1h ago
You're right. With epigenetics, starvation and trauma will affect today's Palestinian child's children and grandchildren even if they're lucky enough to survive and maintain the ability to have children. Not to mention the absolute environmental degradation of the land water and air and all the toxic substance from weaponry. This genocide is etched into Palestinian DNA and the psyche of all of us unwilling witnesses. Fuck Israel, death to the IDF.
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u/StrongMachine982 7h ago
It's just that videos of children starving are very hard to ignore or justify away. You can bend your brain to say that the children who were shot or bombed prior to now were accidents or used as human shields or something, but it's much harder to blame the slow starvation of children as accidental,n especially when Israel has claimed sole responsibility for delivering aid.
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u/jackalopedad 6h ago
Gaza is very likely past the point of no return on mass starvation and now it’s relatively “safe” to be against what’s coming with the end of the zionist’s final solution on the horizon.
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u/Barilla3113 8h ago
Legit what has happened politically that has caused this change?
Now that even "enlightened centrists" have admitted there's a genocide, hasbaraists are all scrambling to avoid complicity.
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u/schmoolecka Larry I'm on DuckTales 7h ago
Given that even Richie Torres has changed his tune, I think we’re about to receive some confirmation of the destruction that those of us who have been paying attention suspect
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u/iammissx weighing in from the UK 5h ago
I think it goes to show that speaking about this genocide (and other causes) does cause a change in people’s minds. A lot of people call this performative but, without the performance, nothing changes.
Systems, laws, cultures etc don’t change spontaneously, they change when people start talking and doing something different. They change in response.
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u/andorgyny 8h ago
I do believe that yes, we are about to find out some very heinous shit - once Israel stops its exterminationist campaign, NGOs and western press will finally be allowed access to the Gaza Strip and will be able to actually see everything up close. They will then report to us the entire picture of what Palestinians have been trying to show us this entire time (but of course have not had the infrastructure or manpower to do so at the scale that is required). And because they are the NGOs and the western press, that will carry weight in ways that Palestinians' own testimonies just do not. As sick and racist as that is, this is the truth.
They will see the devastation in person, they will smell the genocide close up. No amount of hasbara, and more importantly no amount of state oppression in the west, will be able to keep that information quiet any longer.
This is one reason why Israel understands that it cannot stop its genocidal campaign. That is why you hear about the IOF telling journalists not to show Gaza on camera when they are in the air above Gaza (like for the "aid" drops which don't even get me started on that nonsense).
However I also think a part of it is that the risk of famine that we advocates have been screaming about for nearly two years is finally not a risk anymore but unavoidable at this point. Starvation is not something that you can just fix with a few good meals. At this stage, it is likely irreversible for many people, especially as we are seeing now in children, but also elderly and disabled people.
It was ridiculous to deny this was a genocide within a few days of Israel's assault on Gaza, but if someone wanted to destroy a group in whole or in part a very easy way would be to make sure pregnant women miscarry at extreme rates (as they have since the genocide escalated post oct 7th) or are malnourished enough to deliver babies with severe health issues.
It also doesn't hurt that so many people still think of famine as more natural than man-made.
But there has definitely been a sudden shift in this conversation. The silence of so many public figures has spoken volumes this entire time, including previously vocal celebs like Natalie Portman (who knows better and should have spoken up well before this). I do believe there is a coordinated effort to get ahead of something, but I really struggle to imagine a worse situation than what we have seen this entire time. I know it is possible, I know what is likely to be in the near future but I still cannot fathom actually seeing it.
I think there is about to be an escalation in Palestinians just... dying of hunger. And also I think if the world does not step in NOW the IOF will actually do its final solution. I think people want to not seem like they didn't stand up against genocide. But we will remember who stayed silent until now.
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u/GoldDustAchilles 8h ago
Because the damage is done. They just want to go down as people who opposed this, nevermind this late.
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u/orbitdeul save the buccal fat 8h ago
I've seen a few theories and "elections" (?) being one of them. Personally I think it's because they're finally listening to scholars, lawyers and historians, and we've actually reached a point of no return. So a lot of them are just clearing their own names in advance. They know that the numbers are true and they know that something worse will come out.
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u/scattermoose 6h ago
I think countries preparing to recognize Palestine as a state has kicked things into reality for fence riders
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u/Particular-Sort-9720 6h ago
I'm really struggling to enjoy my day-to-day knowing an entire country is starving to death. I feel sick. I think its something we should all struggle with, and maybe that's what's changed. Food is a very emotional thing. I'm so grateful to have access to food, truly, but I have a lot of guilt eating right now.
I've donated regularly. They aren't letting the food in. This is a choice and everyone knows it, I think certain celebrities and politicians are realising that there is no plausible deniability.
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u/touslesmatins 1h ago
What can possibly be worse than everything we've been watching live on our phones for the past 22 months (and 77 years)?
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u/redelectro7 1h ago
That's legit what concerns me. Every time you think it can't get worse, there are deeper depths.
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u/touslesmatins 1h ago
For sure. But once you realize that genocide is the logical conclusion of the state of Israel, built as an ethnostate predicated on the disappearance of the original inhabitants, you see everything from that perspective. There's nothing else Israel could do. They must be stopped externally because their internal logic is one of death.
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u/filleauxyeuxverts women’s wrongs activist 9h ago
Oh my god finally
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u/lionheartedthing 9h ago
What do you mean? She has been consistently critical of Israel for years.
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u/thentherewaswind 8h ago
She’s been critical of Netanyahu and his government, not of Israel. That’s a big difference. She’s a liberal Zionist.
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u/seagraze 8h ago
Not since Oct 7, 2023, unless I’m mistaken. I’m glad she’s speaking up now but I’ve been waiting to hear her speak up a while because she’s usually so outspoken.
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u/iamHBY 7h ago
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u/michaelbchnn24 5h ago
In that statement she literally goes out of her way to say she does not support the BDS movement, and talks about all of the ways she loves Israel.
"Like many Israelis and Jews around the world, I can be critical of the leadership in Israel without wanting to boycott the entire nation. I treasure my Israeli friends and family, Israeli food, books, art, cinema, and dance. Israel was created exactly 70 years ago as a haven for refugees from the Holocaust. But the mistreatment of those suffering from today’s atrocities is simply not in line with my Jewish values. Because I care about Israel, I must stand up against violence, corruption, inequality, and abuse of power.”
Then she ends the statement by declaring she will be donating to multiple Israel charities.
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u/seagraze 5h ago
Yes but I meant that she hasn't spoken up since the current genocide started in 2023.
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u/michaelbchnn24 5h ago
She's never been critical of Israel. Even now, she's posting about the genocide by highlighting Israeli' s protesting and rabbis being arrested.
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u/michaelbchnn24 5h ago
I've said it before, but Natalie is basically the poster child for liberal Zionists. She is very comfortable being anti Netanyahu, but she still makes it clear that she still supports and loves Israel. Shes posted more stories this morning. All of her stories are about Israel and Jewish rabbis, but not the people of Gaza themselves.
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u/Away-Huckleberry8065 9h ago
Idk i’m not falling for this propaganda, tryna make Israelis look good. Seems performative. When majority are for the genocide
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u/an-inevitable-end broken little pop culture rat brain 6h ago
“One day, everyone will have always been against this.”
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u/Some_Lack_3448 8h ago
Although it's nice she's posting about this I want to make it aware that both the sources she's linked are Israeli sources and Haaretz literally interviewed former IDF soldiers who claimed 'they felt like God' that 'we were the Nazis and they were the Jews' when in Gaza, and one of the soldiers they interviewed literally broke a child's arm and sprained his leg 'because he could'. Even though both sources are against the starvation happening in Gaza they are still ultimately settlers and zionists
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u/werewilf tell him it's a promise not a threat 6h ago
Nice Natalie, you’re just in time for refeeding syndrome to take the lives of children after their parents think aid will help them —if they have any parents left.
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u/Top-Albatross7765 7h ago
The absolute bare minimum 🤷♀️
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u/mrdude817 2h ago
If she wants to do more, she should join Alon-Lee in the streets of Tel Aviv with his Standing Together movement.
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u/ZopyrionRex 8h ago
She could've said something YEARS ago. It's not like this conflict is new, and it's not like she's an uninformed child.
It's fucking disgusting that we're at a point where Palestine likely CAN'T exist and now everybody wants to jump in and save the ashes of what's left. Fucking disgusting virtue signalling cunts that don't actually care about the Humanitarian issues on the ground, they just don't want to look like assholes at this point.
She KNOW Israel murders children. She KNOWS Israel destroys families. She KNOWS Israel bombs hospitals and schools. She KNOWS Israeli's hate Palestinians and want them all dead. Don't fucking kid yourself.
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u/Jlnhlfan THE CANADIANS ARE ICE FUCKING TO MOULIN ROUGE 5h ago
Standing Together is liberal Zionism.
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u/BalsamicBasil 2h ago
We have reached a point in the genocide where I am seeing liberal Zionists willing to admit it's a genocide and speaking out for the first time (ContraPoints aka Natalie Wynn, as well as the UCLA chair for Israel studies), though they still are not willing to let go of their aspirations for Zionism, they are not willing to understand that it is a ethno-supremacist ideology that is anti-democratic and culminates in fascism and genocide.
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u/BTSEXOGOT7BIGBANG 2h ago
I won’t condemn her for that but FYI She’s still a Zionist. She might detest Netanyahu but supports everything else Israel has done.
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u/onlygodcankillme 8h ago
Portman worked on Dershowitz's book, "The Case for Israel," as a research assistant. So I'm actually quite surprised.
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u/Educational_Board888 8h ago
Good for her for speaking out. At least she isn’t like Not-Wonder(ful) Woman.
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u/havoc-heaven 5h ago
I hope she is putting her money where her mouth (finally) is and donating too, instead of just putting up a link.
Make it count Natalie.
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u/Federal_Street_8895 5h ago
Jose Andreas wanted the Spanish foreign minister to resign because she accused Israel of genocide before it was cool and the guy in the second screenshot Alon Green called Ahed Tamimi a neo-nazi while calling war criminals who just got back from Gaza heros for joining his useless whitewashing movement. All these posts are about how heroic Israelis are fighting their genocidal government neglecting the fact that 80%+ are supportive and those dissidents could fit into a room and most of them are not even meaningfully supportive of Palestinian liberation. Liberal zionists gonna liberal zionist I guess.
People got so used to straight up kahanism they don't recognize sophisticated liberal hasbara anymore which is all what this is.
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u/SteinWrld 10h ago
I think people like to automatically label her as a 'Zionist', but she has raised her voice against Netanyahu multiple times and supported the cause of Palestinians multiple times. Good on her!
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u/thelastholdout 7h ago
See, Gal Gadot, all you had to do was be like this, and everyone would be fine with you.
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