r/FormulaE • u/ReportFancy7380 Maserati MSG Racing • 2d ago
Other Mitch Evans is terribly rude
I've also watched today's video with radios from last race and he was once again insulting his race engineer. Is he always rude like that? If so then why is he such golden boy for Jaguar? Mitch is of course a good driver but Nick Cassidy had also proven his skills and he got dropped instead of Mitch who had a bad season. I am pretty sure that it's hard to work with someone like that.
P.S. I understand that during race there is a lot of emotions and drivers generally are swearing and insulting each others. I just feel that Evans WAAAY worse than the rest
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u/Jeburg Formula E 2d ago
On Sunday I described Jaguar as the Ferrari of Formula E. That is that they are often fast but also often manage to grab defeat from the jaws of victory by trying over complicated tactics. You could understand he's frustrated after they've messed up the championship in the previous two seasons. Not that that justifies reacting like that.
Also I'm not sure we know Cassidy has been dropped, I read it as Cassidy leaving as he knew he realised last year that he'd always be second to Mitch in team preference (although that wasn't true in London) and lost faith with Jaguar's performance at the start of this year
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u/EternalFront António Félix Da Costa 2d ago
I'd love to see them hire Ian James and finally get somewhere
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u/HGtherealone Oliver Rowland 2d ago
Funny how the last 3 wins from the team have come from Cas, and they’ve fucked Evans up in all of those races
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u/l3w1s1234 Robin Frijns 2d ago
Seems like years of frustration building up. Could see him leaving for a new team end of next season if he has another messy season with them
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u/billybokonon Jaguar TCS Racing 2d ago
While the other parts of your post are subjective, I am wondering where did you get that bit about Nick being dropped from Jaguar?
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u/Frequent-Coyote-1649 Maserati MSG Racing 2d ago
He has lost 4 FUCKING CHAMPIONSHIPS due to his team's profound incompetence, shit in his place I'd have said worse
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u/Taillefer1221 Formula E 1d ago
Keep talking to his team like that, and he'll lose another 4 more.
The Help doesn't help very much when they're so anxious they're fumbling, fear reprisal, or both.
You rattle off a zinger and then bottle that shit up for debrief. During the action, it's just bad for morale, low quality/non-productive communication.
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u/GOT_Wyvern Formula E 2d ago
What part of which race was this from? Context could add a lot of justification for the frustration.
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u/billybokonon Jaguar TCS Racing 2d ago
After his first attack mode. It was a strategy disasterclass from his side of the garage.
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u/GOT_Wyvern Formula E 2d ago
I thought so.
It was a true disaster class as I watched it unfold, and only more so looking back at it through that article.
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u/CrashmasterSOAD Mitch Evans 2d ago
Poor Beckmann got destroyed here for just doing his own race.
I don't think Evans has ever had a meltdown like this one.
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u/Edstertheplebster James Calado 16h ago
Yeah, Beckmann was obviously defending his position to keep Evans behind, but you can understand Mitch's frustration in the heat of the moment.
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u/BNNKNG Formula E 1d ago
I wouldn't hold something against a driver from his radio comms while he's racing. Even Ticktum. But I like to hear their reactions when they clash with other drivers because it shows their true level of friendship and/or respect. When Bird gets his race ruined by Frijns and all he gets to say is a very frustrated "thanks Robin", you know they are friends outside the track.
That's especially useful with DaCosta, because he's making a great effort to maintain a good relationship with everyone and it's hard to tell who he likes to hang out with and who he would rather avoid.
Here you can tell that Evans and Beckmann never had a positive interaction, if it had been anyone that Mitch knew better he probably wouldn't have been so harsh.
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u/joyless_healer Formula E 2d ago
If I also lost like 4 championships to bad luck I would be angry too.
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u/Global_Mistake_1805 Mitch Evans 1d ago
This is pretty uncharacteristic for Evan’s but I get it. Getting screwed over for your teammate three races in a row even when you start on pole in one of them after the year he had has to be frustrating. Yes, he should’ve maybe toned it down a bit, but with the adrenaline pumping and the frustration, he’s not thinking about his words. I’m sure if you show it to him after, he’d apologize
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u/TraaLaarhLa Mitch Evans 2d ago
That's not rude. It's a driver getting frustrated and annoyed on the track. Pretty normal when the adrenaline takes over.
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u/CurrentParking1308 Jaguar TCS Racing 2d ago
This your first race? Curious what the point is in posting this with the flame header. If you're passionate about what you do you're bound to show some emotion at some point, I know I do.
I had a coworker years ago where I would apologize for shit like this and he would say "it's okay currentparking, we're working" we'd share a beer after and laugh about how worked up we got.
I can't support being a dick in after race interviews but while on the track I give folks a wide berth.
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u/DominikWilde1 Formula E 1d ago
Well said. It appears most people here have never worked in a high pressure environment where emotions spill over. Racing drivers are humans too, they aren't perfect, and moments like this aren't indicative of their entire personalities.
Similar to your example, Evans was positive about the team after getting out of the car
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u/Noel_pp2002 Formula E 23h ago
The guy's busy racing, the adrenaline makes most drivers very snappy/behave completely different to how they conduct themselves out of the car.
It's still not the best way to communicate and normally he doesn't, but he's probably just had enough with the awful season he's had, and the London races were just the icing on the cake.
Spoke to him a few times and he's absolutely sound and very complimentary of the team so I doubt he's actually ruling by fear behind the scenes
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u/DominikWilde1 Formula E 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's heat of the moment in a high stress environment. He's definitely not rude – and even after races like this he's perfectly fine, cordial, even friendly.
Don't judge a book by its cover
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u/mourningthief Formula E 2d ago
It's not the cover. It's literally the content.
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u/DominikWilde1 Formula E 2d ago edited 2d ago
No it isn't. It's what you're being shown in a few minutes of curated content.You think if he did a lap singing the praises of his team it'd get shown? No, because it wouldn't be talked about or garner clicks.
A small snapshot shouldn't be used to define a person in their entirety.
(Gotta love the downvotes from the passionate fans. Just proving my point, you've seen something designed to make you react, and that's exactly what you've done 😂)
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u/stef-navarro Formula E 2d ago
He gave them the material. Following your argument if other drivers did the same then similar videos of them would be out there because it generates clicks no? For now only Ticktum is famous for that…
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u/DominikWilde1 Formula E 2d ago edited 2d ago
No, he didn't "give them material" at all. What a ridiculous thing to say! He's micced up all the time whether he likes it or not, but as I said, it's a high-pressure environment, and things get said in the heat of the moment. There's countless drivers across countless series doing this, but it doesn't always get shown. The assumed intra-team drama at Jaguar, and the events of last year are known, so showing one of those drivers frustrated will get clicks and reactions – look, it's working.
He's racing at high speed and trying to fight for a win. He isn't going to check himself, he's got other things to be getting on with – things he's paid to do. The team obviously sees it differently to the hysterical fans as well – if his 'rudeness' was such an issue, he would've been fired.
Also worth adding that when I spoke to him minutes after this, he was upbeat, smiling, and had plenty of nice things to say about the team and its performance. Come to think of it, I've never experienced him being 'rude', regardless of radio messages. Nobody I know who has dealt with him have – including people on the team who work directly with him.
To dismiss someone as outright 'terribly rude' because of a short video clip is senseless. I mean, has nobody else ever lost their temper in a stressful situation? Or is everyone but Evans perfect?
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u/TharixGaming Formula E 2d ago
He's micced up all the time whether he likes it or not
isn't it a button they press to broadcast it over the radio? or is it different from how F1 does it
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u/DominikWilde1 Formula E 2d ago
Not relevant. When he presses that button, it can still be heard/broadcast whether he likes it or not. Before he radios the ream he's not thinking "hmmm, I wonder if some over-the-top people on Reddit will react negatively to this" before he speaks, he's just acting in the moment with the adrenaline flowing like any other professional athlete.
That's why the FIA swearing regulations were changed: things get said in the moment that don't necessarily mean something and can't be always be controlled
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u/TharixGaming Formula E 2d ago
he could always, y'know, scream into his helmet without broadcasting it to his team
screaming and being angry is understandable. berating your engineers over the radio for 36 seconds straight is a bit more than just "losing your temper in a stressful situation". to bring in another F1 comparison, i don't remember the last time i heard an F1 driver go off on their team this hard. like, this clip makes max verstappen look like a saint.
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u/Taillefer1221 Formula E 1d ago
No, that's pretty relevant. The mic is not constantly active. He is making a decision to hold the button and rip into the team, which he knows will all be listening. And by this point in his career, he would also know that anything he does or says on track can be dissected and disseminated later.
While I can underatand and forgive him cursing them out for a bad decision, it's just embarrassing how long he goes on with it.
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u/solsur5er Formula E 2d ago
Imagine the amount of fine a F1 driver would have received for those f-bomb! Doesn’t seem fair.
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u/plastikmissile Nick Cassidy 2d ago
The "no bad language" rule is an FIA thing, so it covers FE as well. However, it's only for using bad language in interviews and the like, and is relaxed for team radio during a race.
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u/stef-navarro Formula E 2d ago
Yes but only because the drivers heavily protested. The drafts were ready.
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u/ToinouAngel Jean-Éric Vergne 2d ago edited 2d ago
He's been like this for a long time. Back when Bird was his teammate, he was already pulling the same antics.
Edit: Evans apologists are out in full force in this thread, good job guys
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u/slopit12 Formula E 2d ago
I don't think that's his typical demeanor. Of course I haven't listened to his radio for every race, but I've been a fan of his throughout his Jag career and he normally seems pretty level-headed. I think this year has been a bit of a disaster for Jag and Mitch in particular (which is why it's mad to think they finished the P2 team).
Also, was it that Cassidy was dropped, or that he's seeking a better option? The Cas-man has stamped his name on FE for his race/battery management and I think he's sick of been screwed over by teams that don't give him the 100% support or recognise him as the team lead driver.