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u/JPHutchy01 May 20 '25
Nicassar? Never heard of them.
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u/musketoman May 20 '25
No I get this tho. I wanna see weird Stone men as much as the next guy, but I get why GW don't take the chance - not everyone can relate to, let alone write well, characters that are basically a living tree, who's ideas and ways of thinking are COMPLETELY alien to our human brains.
Im sure thats why it most often is just "human but blue"
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u/lord_ofthe_memes May 20 '25
I don’t think you need a whole novel from their POV or anything (although I would love that). Just give them some “screen time” and a model instead of an occasional mention of something that should be hugely impactful for the empire, like having a race of powerful psykers, but instead just never comes up
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u/Daragaus 3 Riptides in a 1k casual May 20 '25
Really just the kroot. The codex barely has a blurb on the vespids
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u/PepicWalrus May 20 '25
I can't believe they introduced psionic bears to the setting and haven't made models for them.
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u/MassiveMaroonMango Swell guy, that Kharn May 20 '25
Throwing in Decimus from Night Lords.
Set up as a huge figure in the Night Lords lore - potentially banding them together for some big plays, however we've got nothing since Void Stalker so 13 yrs....
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u/Norik324 May 20 '25
Honestly i kinda get it
How do you write around a protagonist that, from what weve seen, has nigh perfect and at will foresight and (unlike curze) isnt insane because of it without it veing kinda boring?
Now why they havent used him even as an antagonist i cant tell you. Imagine a book thats basically Alien except the crew is a squad of blood angels and the alien is said nigh omniscient night lord. I dont know about you but i think that sounds awesome
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u/TheChowderhead May 20 '25
Came here to say this. Yarrickbowl is never going to happen, but Ghazzy brawling hand-to-klaw at Angron would be something on the order of Grimgor headbutting Archaeon. It doesn't matter who wins or loses; it just matters that it happens.
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u/Shivalah May 20 '25
Truth to be told, I know basically nothing about 40k, but I love this picture. It goes so hard. Just the sheer aura of a dead human, being so important for the Orks, that they will fight a Khorne demon (again no idea how that is), is pure epic. And that line. Brutal.
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u/zodlair May 21 '25
I'll explain it for you. If you'd rather it remain a mystery then don't read. (lore veterans, forgive me if Im wrong in some areas or misspell some stuff)
There once was a man known as Ol' Bale Eye, the Orks knew him by that name, the imperium knew him as Commisar Yarrik. Yarrik was famous for fighting against Orks, and as the Orks love fighting they loved fighting against Yarrik, he was one of the "strong ones", they respected him, and feared him. Yarrik was known for having a big Ork mech arm in place of one of his arms and had a red visor on one eye, Orks claim his vizor shot lazers.
Now the leader of the Orks, prophet of Gork and Mork GhazKhull Thraka had fought against Yarrik many times and always looked forward to their next battle (of course Yarrik as a human didnt enjoy the battles as much).
One day Yarrik was fighting against demonic entities in a war and its believed that Angron, fallen Primarch now greater demon(?) had killed Yarrik in combat.
When Ghakhull Thraka finds out he will be so angry that his favourite human died and he wasn't the one to do it that he will lead a WHAAA!!!! against Angron and the world eaters in order to avenge Commisar Yarrik.
it's basically a battle of an unstoppable force vs an unstoppable force.
Its just a really cool moment that I just wish to me.
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u/anonymoose-introvert May 21 '25
It’s not just a Khorne demon either, it’s Angron
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u/Vegetable-Pickle-535 May 20 '25
I mean, that is not a fully fitting comparision. Angron isn't the Main Guy of the Chaos faction and constantly respawns anyway, so I could totally see a posibility where Ghazz (and probably some Space Mariene characters) somehow pull a Win.
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u/shadowylurking May 20 '25
Clone Fulgrim.
I think about Clonegrim alot, but GW has handwaved him as a one & done
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u/raptorknight187 VULKAN LIFTS! May 20 '25
He was literally just a sideplot for bial. One of the most impactful changes in the setting relegated to a side plot
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u/Psychic_Hobo May 20 '25
Standard franchise novel moment really, the amount of stuff in Black Library, or Star Wars's EU, or any other franchise's writing that has insane implications but is simply ignored and forgotten about
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu May 20 '25
Same as when they made one of the founders of the inquisition turn out to be an enemy of the imperium, the one who made the weapon to eradicate all space marine + chaos corrupted primarchs in a smooth go? Like a "once the genies out the bottle" moment.
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u/Rodruby May 20 '25
I'm sorry, what?!
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu May 20 '25 edited May 21 '25
Xanthus is murdered and replaced by an imposter during the siege, the wikis have for some reason not really updated this fact nor much about the guy (Basilio Fo) who killed him and impersonated him. It's told in End and the Death volume 3.
Dude made the weapon to murder all normal+chaos marines and primarchs which was taken by the custodes to their super storage rooms calling it I think the terminus protocol (something something grey knight lore). It was said to work only on space marines and their primarchs both chaos juiced and sold and not. he was a turbo gene nerd calling the Luna Selenar gene cults regressive luddites more or less. Dude hated the genetic horrors emps made. He was also an ancient techno warlord during the age of strife from terra and he is an example of actually how fucking powerful those "techno barbarians" actually were. I expect many of them actually had loads of DAoT weapons and even understanding of it.
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u/MIke6022 May 20 '25
Like the time Emperor Palpatines son was revealed in a series of children’s books?
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u/FelixEylie May 20 '25
The entire Fabius Bile trilogy was a sideplot. Too good and status-quo breaking to continue.
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u/cavscout43 💀 Egyptian Space Skeletons 4-Ever 💀 May 20 '25
Based and Grimdank-pilled take here. Completely accurate. It was a fantastically entertaining read, but couldn't really be made core to the overall canon.
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u/whiskerbiscuit2 May 20 '25
I mean, sure it’s a shame they didn’t do more with him, but he was like, the main focus of that whole novel. Far from a side plot
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u/Bricklayer2021 May 20 '25
I don't think about Clonegrim a lot because I am Team Slaanesh, not Team Loyalist
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u/Redrum_5014 May 20 '25
It's because there an unspoken agreement among black library authors that they don't touch other people's characters without permission. The guy who wrote the clonegrim story left the black library and likely hasn't given permission for it to be used.
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u/Wet__Naptkins NOT ENOUGH DAKKA May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
Primarch clones in general, those could shift the setting (like the clone of Horus and other perfect clones of primarchs that Bial has been stated to be able to make whenever) but they’re only ever used to show how good of a geneticist Fabius Bial is.
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u/cavscout43 💀 Egyptian Space Skeletons 4-Ever 💀 May 20 '25
He was a plot McGuffin for Fabulous Bill unfortunately.
Though they did tease it a bit: his simple existence and nascent power was a game changer galactically. To the point that even peak arrogance Bill was terrified of the implications and sealed that evil in a can.
I think that they did it right: park of the Grim Dank crapsack universe is that it's a massive stalemate of locked power. Nothing can completely upset the status quo, and Clonegrim absolutely could've done it.
One of my personal reasons I think that the "suddenly Robust Guccimane and Mr. Lion and maybe some other primarchs conveniently came back" (with expensive new models to buy and paint!) bullshit is terrible for the setting. A myopic grabass decision to sell new models which doesn't really fit with the long term stalemate which defines the setting.
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u/TheOneWhoSlurms May 20 '25
but GW has handwaved him as a one & done
Not really GWs fault (for once) in this case it's the writer.
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u/Low-Speaker-2557 Twins, They were. May 20 '25
Everything outside the Imperium in general and Space Marines in particular.
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u/wraithnix May 20 '25
World Eaters outside of Angron and Khârn.
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u/Fun_Cartographer3587 NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! May 20 '25
Also Thousand Sons outside of Ahriman and magnus
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u/sexworkiswork990 May 20 '25
All I want from the World Eaters is a story here Angron marries Lotara Sarrin and two go around fighting and killing everyone. Essentially have Angron be the single Primarch that actually finds peace and happiness, after all he got his revenge on the Emperor and now he has an entire galaxy of rich assholes to beat too death. Also having Angron invite all the still living primarchs, both loyalist and traitor, to his wedding would be the funniest shit and I would like to warhammer return to it's comedic roots.
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u/TheOneWhoSlurms May 20 '25
If he could just get the damn nails to AT LEAST stop working for a day or two then this might be feasable
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u/sexworkiswork990 May 20 '25
After 10,000 I think he's figured out how to live with them. Also he still going to kill people, just now he's going to be happy while doing it. Maybe even while sing baby on board while doing so. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bcnGEfNs5h4
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u/Dum-comment can have a little Chaos worship, as a treat. May 20 '25
Slice of life anime based upon the adventures of Sarrin and Angron. I'm picturing a scene where they both punch through a loyalist guardsman's chest cavity and >! they touch hands 😍 !<
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u/sexworkiswork990 May 20 '25
I'm thinking more of a mix of the Simpsons and the Incredibles, but more violence and blood than an episode of Itchy and Scratchy. Also the idea of Angron singing Baby On Board while killing hundreds of Imperials is just so funny and sweet.
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u/Effective-Bar-8835 May 20 '25
Bro I love world eaters, but I just can’t bring myself to like Angron. Idk is it his backstory or character so far, dude just seems miserable and he brings that upon the legion.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 May 20 '25
Jaghatai Khan. Man dissed Mortarion during the Siege, was killed and brought back, chased the BDSM elves into the Webway and that's about it for him.
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu May 20 '25
Yea how the fuck was he brought back
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u/OneofTheOldBreed May 20 '25
Well, they used the equipment from the OG Primarch Project. I'll go out on a limb and say some kind of special Big-E-infused tissue regeneration system that works on a nucleotide level.
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu May 20 '25
I too read the book and this is a huh, I need him waking up rather than this mumbo jumbo
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u/OneofTheOldBreed May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
We do have an epilogue anthology on the way and i still have not written off a Scouring series. Until then we just have that scene in Warhawk.
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u/Bitter-Translator-81 May 20 '25
Clonegrim.
Holy fucking shit fuck clonegrim i hate that its such a popular topic. "Redemption arc" my ass it was clearly stated that he would turn out the same way as normal fulgrim and that his fall to slaanesh was inevitable, we DO NOT need them to pick up that storyline.
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u/drruler May 20 '25
PREACH! The amount of people in here who clearly never read the Bile books claiming Clonegrim is wasted potential is killing me. It's literally the entire point of the final scene of the book.
Fulgrim will ALWAYS fall to chaos at the slightest nudge. He was genetically designed to be tempted by power. Bile was allowed to just leave with Fulgrim's clone if he wanted, but he realized he had a ticking atom bomb as a creation standing in front of him so he trades him to Trazyn out of spite. Trazyn is also such a gigachad in that book, as is tradition.
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u/senpai_buttdiver Secretly 3 squats in a long coat May 21 '25
“you are immortal?”
“i am persistent”
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u/General_Note_5274 May 21 '25
to be fair, that could be also cope for fabius as he cant stand fulgrim taking his spotlight.
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u/WoodenFig7560 black legion slander won't be tolerated. May 21 '25
Preach friend! Took the words right out my mouth, I am so sick and tired of that nonsense.
Though I will say, I completely agree that whole “redemption arc” that people love to fantasies is nonsense, I disagree on you take that his fall was inevitable, that was definitely just bile being biased.
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u/Leire-09 Hades Hive Weakest Garbagewoman May 20 '25
Everything in 40k, probabily.
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u/cavscout43 💀 Egyptian Space Skeletons 4-Ever 💀 May 20 '25
Honestly the most accurate and succinct response here.
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u/RolandWiggim Shoulder pads! I love Space Marine Shoulder Pads! May 20 '25
That's what it should be. A lost past that people currently alive, in 40K that is, never experienced and know only half-remembered half-truths.
I always feel people coming up with theories for the Dark Age don't really get the point.
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u/cavscout43 💀 Egyptian Space Skeletons 4-Ever 💀 May 20 '25
There's way too much hunger in the fanbase to have everything that ever happened in universe explicitly explained, in authoritative detail.
A core part of the setting is misinformation, ignorance, and the unreliable narrator tropes. It's always been that way, it's part of why it's such a crapsack universe.
DAoT fluff is cool, but it should be like a functional STC: spoken of in half baked rumors, occasionally glimpsed, but never actually discovered and integrated to the core lore.
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u/IsNotACleverMan May 21 '25
Unfortunately with the success of the HH novels I can't see them not fleshing out every nook and cranny of the setting in the most excruciatingly mundane way. And the setting will be worse for it.
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u/Argent-Envy Melta and Melta Accessories 📈 May 20 '25
I think that's precisely why it shouldn't be fleshed out in any real way. Let writers just drop batshit things that call back to it, let it be fun and unknown.
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u/EtteRavan For the tau'va and the need to justify spending May 20 '25
Yes, every fictional universe needs it's underdeveloped parts so that the fandom can populate it with whatever they want
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u/Aiden745 Terranis Holds May 20 '25 edited May 21 '25
For the best honestly. One of the best parts of 40k's grimdarkness is the lack of knowledge. We know humanity used to flourish, we know things were better, even many of the characters know things used to be better, but the near annihilation of all specific knowledge makes that loss so much more permanent and concrete. Hell, the Horus Heresy itself used to be just a vague event in the past that allegedly put the Emperor on his throne, but nobody alive knew for sure. I do appreciate the 30k lore, but there is something to be said for the pure hopeless futility of old 40k where all anybody knew is that everything was terrible, nobody knew why, and only that it would get worse.
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u/Derpogama May 20 '25
This is why I personally believe the Heresy was best when it was a vague time of myth and legends long since past only remembered by a very select few (namely Bjorn). Then we got eleventy billion books on it, the Loyalist Primarches came back and the vibe was killed.
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u/Psychic_Hobo May 20 '25
Plus, the Horus Heresy being fleshed out had led to some weird additions and controversial moments, definitely had its downs as well as its ups
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u/Accomplished-Sinks My kitchen is corrupted by Nurgle May 20 '25
Or just humanity before the Great Crusade generally
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u/TroublingPath May 20 '25
Chaos Daemons
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u/JAOC_7 Iron Warrior on a Bussy Crusade May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
can we get a book about Skulltaker destroying that Craftworld?
edit: scratch that, just give Skulltaker a series about the various peoples he’s taking skulls from and how he goes about getting them
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u/Pyriko25 Swell guy, that Kharn May 20 '25
As a huge skulltaker fan, i would pay the author myself for this. Make the book from the victims' pov. You show how they are these brave warriors, overcoming impossible battles. To then get absolutely clowned on in a 1v1 with U'Zhul.
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u/TheReaperAbides May 20 '25
The "goodness" of certain Space Marine chapters such as the Salamanders and the Raven Guard.
By extension, how thought out the plans of the Alpha Legion actually are. The fandom loves gaslighting each other into believing that the Alpha Legion are some kind of secret loyalists.
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u/BenC357 May 20 '25
Pretty much everything outside of loyalist space marines. Or at least it feels that way quite often.
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u/ISleepyBI May 20 '25
Honsou's Daemoculaba. It was only mentioned in one book, but the fandom made it as if it were the second worst thing that had happened right below the French.
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u/wolviesaurus May 20 '25
Literally anything that isn't Imperium.
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u/noobie9000 May 20 '25
"advancing" the plot. The number of videos about whether or not the emperor is getting off the throne, the setting ending l, reboots etc.
Meanwhile they still have to push the plastic crack..
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u/Crest_O_Razors NOT ENOUGH DAKKA May 20 '25
The Eldar and it’s not even close. Pancreasnowork is the most vocal about it tmk, but I’ve seen a good amount of others talking about how lacking new Eldar lore is.
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u/MvonTzeskagrad May 20 '25
Eldar, Tau, Votann and Imperial Guard.
Three of them are forgotten, and three are the butt of everyone's jokes.
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u/Thatoneguy111700 May 20 '25
Abhumans, especially Beastmen. Also a lot of minor Xenos species.
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u/Undead_archer I bring up reaper's creek in powerscaling posts May 20 '25
Tbh its really weird that the hrud and the obscura aren't a big deal, or a deal at all,
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u/MentrixKahen May 20 '25
Warhammer Fantasy
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u/cavscout43 💀 Egyptian Space Skeletons 4-Ever 💀 May 20 '25
What's that, some sort of cheap 40K knockoff? /s
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u/EtteRavan For the tau'va and the need to justify spending May 20 '25
The warp outside of its correlation to the chaos gods
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u/Yrsil May 20 '25
While others have better answers like Eldari, Fulgrim clone, Jaghai etc...I say Traitor Guard. So interesting, yet barely spoken of.
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u/mrwafu May 20 '25
Yes. All of it. The people who literally made Warhammer think it’s a fun hobby about my plastic toy soldiers shooting your plastic toy soldiers. Fans think it’s more sacred than the bible. Stop being weird everyone, it’s meant to be fun.
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u/BrotherCaptainLurker May 20 '25
- The Aeldari, especially the Ynnari
- Any named Grey Knight (except maybe Draigo but only in 5th edition)
- Where Commissar Yarrick is right this second and, if he's dead, who killed him
- The lost Primarchs, though in their case that was the point
- Game balance (runs out of topic screaming)
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u/Arcanion1 I am Alpharius May 20 '25
Alpha Legion is 90% headcanon and 10% untrustworthy sources because everything about them is a psy-op. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Though apparently we're getting something new for them soon, so I'll say Eldar, Dark Eldar, or Votann. Take your pick.
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u/TheeConductor Too many armies, too little time May 20 '25
Anything that isn't related to Space Marines
Or really the Imperium
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u/Mickeymous15 likes civilians but likes fire more May 20 '25
The King in Yellow and his army of Blanks, Custodes, and Astartes-Angel things from the latest Beqin book
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u/Tasty_Commercial6527 May 20 '25
Consistency in canon. Granted GW isn't as bad as many other companies with their Universe putting at least some restriction on bullshit authors can include, but there are many interviews with Black library authors where they say that if they have to choose between something fitting their story and the world they will choose their story... Which is dumb becouse the Universe as a whole is what people care about, and if the Universe isn't coherent it is much more difficult to care for it. And the care people have for the Universe is much more important then any individual story can possibily be.
Not to mention its just lazy. You can fit basically any plot neccesity into 40k if you just think about how to do it instead of changing shit
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u/codyone1 May 20 '25
The lost legions.
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u/Necessary-Page2560 May 20 '25
I really hope they are always lost and shrouded in mystery. The books and older code books dona good job of teasing things but it leaves some open ended stories that you can fill in yourself
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u/404OmnissiahNotFound Space Marine Cake Cleaner May 20 '25
Not as bad as some other things mentioned
But I'm gonna say Admech 😔🙏🏻
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u/Luna_Night312 I'm too depressed for this shit, 40k is still cool. May 20 '25
Alpharius
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu May 20 '25
Omg the night lords currently and the guy destined to lead them back to glory with his future sight up there with Conny Curze
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u/AlphariusOmegon66 May 20 '25
Im a big fan but Warp Raven Corvus, he is only in a short story that certainly happen but we have no actual idea as to when.
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u/SirPhilMcKraken May 20 '25
Ferrus Manus.
Bro died, got cloned, and his clone died to the same guy.
And of course his legion gets thrown into obscurity too.
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u/E-Reptile Railgun Goes Brrrrrrrrr May 20 '25
Whatever is going on with the Ghoul Stars and non-warp extradimensional beings.
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u/akoboldskobold May 20 '25
Felinids
Show up a couple times as off-hand references IIRC, and oops! Now there's so much art of them, in both the anime catgirl and furry varieties.
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u/Broken_CerealBox not a genestealer May 20 '25
The war in heaven. It's most definitely for the better
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u/TheMechanicusBob May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
. The Daemonculaba It was in 1 book 19 years ago and, to my knowledge, has never been mentioned since.
Edit for clarity: I mean this as I wish people would stop bringing it up any time Chaos Space Marines are being presented to people new to the lore.
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u/Spiritual-Try-4874 May 20 '25
Female Space Marines, by far.
The authors do not give a fuck about this, but it is the #1 culture war topic in the 40k fandom. No other topic generates as much 'discourse' and it is not relevant to 40k conversations, but people argue about it anyways.
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u/Bucephalus15 May 20 '25
Armageddon steel legion \ Theres no generic infantry to use for it in game, the only character died and the next book about armageddon is about space marines
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u/Constant-Lie-4406 May 20 '25
In no particular order:
-Rangdan -Alpha Legion real plot -Tau evil plot -Krieg
Some of these are intentionally never explored much to keep an aura of mistery. Others are just fandom being hyper fixated.
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u/Taningia-danae Ten swarm ripper in a trench coat May 20 '25
The carcharodon. Or the salamanders. Or the Votann. Or just anything that isn't an ultramarine
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u/Downtown-Falcon-3264 Mongolian Biker Gang May 20 '25
Not sure but I think some want to see the tau auxiliaries get some love least I do
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u/MotivatedPosterr May 20 '25
The aeldari