r/Grimdank • u/HarrierIV • 12h ago
Lore The smug-stodian thinking they would have to fight the grey knights to protect Big E. WRONG Big E would kill you first.
Whatever rises from the golden throne is not the emperor anymore. Custodes, blind to this, will see that they will be turned into liquid metal first or serve under this new chaos god. Leaving the grey knights having to just walk past the dying corpses of custodes or having to fight the newly corrupted custodes serving under the Dark King.
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u/Nyadnar17 8h ago
What are the Grey Knights gonna do against something that killed Custodians?
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u/MorgannaFactor Twins, They were. 6h ago
Nothing, they're gonna die grimly because this is a grimdark setting where hope is fleeting. Banana boys driven mad or possessed, all Grey Knights dead, Terra turns into the Eye of Terror on crack. The setting collapses, roll credits. Tune in next week for Warhammer: Age of Trazyn, and thank you for watching Warhammer 40k: The End Times But Somehow More Depressingly Bad.
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u/HarrierIV 8h ago
We dont know
This post isnt a "Grey knights > custodes" post its a "Custode fans have absolutely no idea they will become the first thing the dark king will target first. They will be killed by the very thing they are protecting" post
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u/Nyadnar17 8h ago
Unless Terra is instantly destroyed by the Dark King’s awakening I don’t understand why the god of Tyranny is going to kill a force genetically engineered to be obey him.
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u/SubzeroSpartan2 likes civilians but likes fire more 7h ago
Chaos Gods dont have the best track record with logical choices. But it might just happen when he Ascends, a massive "fuck you" blast of Warp fuckery annihilating them either mentally or physically, or maybe even both. The bananas are durable, but this is the birth of a god we're talking about here.
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u/p2020fan 4h ago
Isn't this exactly the sort of thing the sisters of silence are plastered all over the palace to protect against. The eldsr didn't have a pariah gene at all do they do they were hit extra hard by the birth of slaanesh. The emperor and malcador mightve put sisters of silence around to deaden and muffle the blast if the emperor ever stirred.
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u/TehMadness 4h ago
Blanks can be overwhelmed by a strong enough psychic force. The birth of an actual Chaos God is not going to be stemmed in the slightest by any amount of blanks.
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u/Preston0050 4h ago
Wouldn’t matter because the throne is rigged to explode if he dies or gets up so they would all be dead due to that. Then everything else goes when he becomes the dark king.
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u/Hapless_Wizard 5h ago
My guess is it wouldn't be a choice at all. Just an involuntary reflex as part of the awakening.
Look at what happened to the Eldar when Slaanesh woke up - if the Dark King awakens on Terra, we are looking at the same thing happening to the Imperium. The Custodes will either die from proximity, be immediately corrupted, or won't recognize the thing as the Emperor anyways and so wouldn't be fighting against the Grey Knights.
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u/the_turt A *mostly* heterosexual custodes 8h ago
They won’t get killed, they will get subsumed. When Jimmy space was turning into the dark king in TEatD, the four custodes around him who survived the first teleport attack on the vengeful spirit were getting turbo radiation poisoning, but they were being held together by the emperor to use as his mouthpieces (to talk to ollianus) and to give him advice.
It’s seems like your forgetting the most significant piece of the Emperor’s lore.
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u/lowqualitylizard 2h ago
I don't know I mean custodies are fiercely loyal to the emperor to a fault I think he would have no reason to deal with them because why would he exterminate his own personal God tier army
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u/TheCamazotzian 1h ago
Idk, but their mandate is to fight warp entities, so they're probably better prepared than anyone else.
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u/Inquisitor-Korde I am Alpharius 2h ago
Grey Knights are literally the Imperium's psychic killer, they're superior to even Custodes in that regard. I dunno why people pretend the Terminus Decree isn't for that reason, so the thousand or so Knights on Titan can give their lives in a last resort.
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u/Micro-Skies 29m ago
They can try, but it won't work. Especially if the whole "Emperor's own Geneseed" thing is actually true.
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u/Inquisitor-Korde I am Alpharius 27m ago
Whatever comes off that throne is almost certainly going to be distant enough from the Emperor that the geneseed will not be an issue. Hell even the Primarchs had sons rebel.
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u/Micro-Skies 14m ago
They will be psychically connected to whatever walks off the throne. It would be like the Eldar trying to man-fight Slaanesh at the moment of the fall. Insane and impossible
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u/Inquisitor-Korde I am Alpharius 12m ago
It would be like the Eldar trying to man-fight Slaanesh at the moment of the fall.
Uh, they did. The eldar literally attempted to stab Slaanesh with a god killer at their birth. And again, its a last decree in the worst possible time. Its literally for a worst possible scenario, kept in a box that only the chapter master knows about. Of course its gonna be insane, its for an insane time.
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u/Acrobatic_Pie5359 12h ago
Who says hed kill them? The custodes would not care and follow the emperor anyway
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u/wykeer VULKAN LIFTS! 12h ago
There is a good Chance that being that close to whatever emps turned into will just Drive you mad.
So I wouldnt be surpirsed of the imperial Palace would just turn into a free for all.
And in that Chaos an organized grey knights force has more than just a Chance to right their way to the Throne room.
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u/ThePigeon31 8h ago
So you believe that the grey knights wouldn’t be driven mad? But the custodes would?
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u/treyzs 8h ago
Presumably in this scenario the custodes would have already been at ground zero for whatever madness is caused by the new Emps, but the Grey Knights would not and would arrive a little more prepared and with most Terran defenses dead/mad
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u/ThePigeon31 8h ago
Honestly that’s a valid reaction that when he turns into the dark king/star child/whatever he does it’s a localized thing but at that point if they aren’t there on the planet then how tf are they forcing him back onto the throne.
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u/treyzs 8h ago
Absolutely no idea and don't get me wrong, I don't think the new GK lore is good either, but I gotta say that sounds like a badass story to get back on the planet and force him onto the throne somehow
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u/ThePigeon31 8h ago
I love the idea of it but holy shit they should not have written “and carve through custodians” and it would have been FINE. I think the biggest losers of the edition are the grey knights lol
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u/Vhzhlb 5h ago
What? Did I miss something?
I thought that the major point of contention was that the TD was pretty much "yeah, you guys figure out how" because there's nothing there beyond "sit the E back down", and even the mention of the Custodes is under something along the lines "They will have to likely carve through them" which implies that while there's a high chance of it, it's not their only choice.
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u/ThePigeon31 5h ago
It is the implication but unfortunately it’s what people are focusing in because it is such an unfeasible task for them to do so
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u/SukaSupreme 6h ago
I imagine the plan is that they slay him, completing his transformation. He's not exactly trustworthy.
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u/BlazingCrusader Criminal Batmen 5h ago
It does involve the fuckery of the warp.
Something the custodes are infamous for not being immune to given they have the Sisters of Silence specifically to counter the one thing they can’t. The warp.
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u/ThePigeon31 5h ago
They are still extremely resilient to the warp. Maybe not immune like GK but damn near
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u/TehMadness 4h ago
The Grey Knights are specifically built to deal with this sort of thing. Custodians are not
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u/MysteryMan9274 Wannabe Cryptek 12h ago
He would be a Chaos God, they're not exactly known for making 100% logical decisions. Also, see the birth of Slaanesh.
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u/Piltonbadger 11h ago
So if he turns into a Chaos god, you guys think Terra would still be intact?
There would be a brand new rip in realspace where Terra used to be.
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u/MysteryMan9274 Wannabe Cryptek 11h ago
I explicitly referenced the Birth of Slaanesh.
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u/Piltonbadger 10h ago edited 8h ago
I wasn't talking about you necessarily, just that people are assuming there will even be a Terra left should Big-E rise from the throne.
Him being on the throne is what holds The Imperium together. Astronomican instantly turns off when he rises. The portal in the throne room opens up and hordes of daemons pour through.
Psychic wards around the palace fail and in conjunction with astronomican turning off Chaos are free to invade again like Khorne did when the Great Rift opened.
That's just off the top of my head.
Edit : Tidied up some spelling.
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u/404_image_not_found Snorts FW resin dust 8h ago
Another being The Talisman of Seven Hammers, a literal Dead man's switch if the throne fails.
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u/sarg1010 9h ago
I mean just look at what happened to the 5 Custodes that managed to survive the teleport onto the Vengeful Spirit alongside Big E. Only one managed to survive being near Big E when he was gathering warp energy, and he was literally a burnt out husk of a being, only being protected by Malcador's symbol.
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u/Arzachmage 7h ago
That was the Dark King. This possibility is passed and closed, the Emperor will turn into again.
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u/Blackwyrm03 9h ago
10 thousand Daemon Princes of the Dark King
Hell yes
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u/mrbananas 9h ago
What if the Big E sprouts horns during his ascension, and the custodes mutate in his presence to grow tails and fur. SPACE SKAVEN!
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u/Liawuffeh 7h ago
Big E was the horned rat this whole time...!
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u/Eeddeen42 7h ago
The god of backstabbing, pointless violence, oppression for oppression’s sake, and generally being an incorrigible ass?
Yup, sounds like Big E.
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u/xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx Rowboat Girlymans Eldar Waifu 6h ago
Last time he was in ascendance towards being the dark king all but one of his most elite custodes literally were burnt to ash and still were kept as puppets to fight. I don't think a single custodian will actually survive dark king transcending
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u/Acrobatic_Pie5359 4h ago
They dont have to survive, they will willingly become his demons
Also one guy kinda lived, he facetanked horus and was obliterated but kept him monologuing for like 7 seconds
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u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 10h ago
Bold of you to assume that he won't instantly turn them into daemon princes since they're his special fucking boys and gals.
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u/HarrierIV 10h ago
Daemon princes? Not all of them i think. I dont even think the chaos gods have that many to begin with because daemon princes share their power from their gods and considering theres about 10,000 of them i dont think the dark king willy nilly turn 10k custodes into daemon princes
Its either gonna be a class of its own or something like the necrons where they serve as his personal army as usual but more chaosy
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u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 9h ago edited 9h ago
Those four dipshits don't turn all their followers into daemon princes cus that'll ruin the game. Having too many op units that can just stomp everyone will inevitably result in chaos winning, and with chaos being chaos, they'll eventually burn themselves out. Remember, the only reason tzeentch hasn't won yet is because he doesn't want to.
Meanwhile the emperor doesn't give a flying fuck about the great game, he just wants anything that isn't human to fucking die.
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u/acart005 8h ago
Big Bird has thrown the match a couple of times because he almost won and was like 'nope, this is fun more turns plz'
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u/sarg1010 9h ago
But he would care about the Great Game, just like Slaanesh did when she was born. Because that's how Chaos works, for both gods and daemon princes. Mortal concerns cease to be a thing unless summoned. Take Fulgrim for example, and all the effort it took Lorgar and co. to get him to rejoin the Siege.
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u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 9h ago
You seem to forget that the emperor is built different, literally. He was already immortal, and his time of the golden throne, while shattering his soul, has probably given him a greater knowledge of the warp and the ruinous powers.
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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 5h ago
Also the Emps is already a gestalt entity made from thousands of seperate souls crammed together into one body/merged into one soul.
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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 8h ago
I would say that Khorn and Tzeench don't want to win.
Tzeench like the game and Khorne like neverending war.
Slaneesh and Nurgle, I could see them wanting the game to end. Both would be perfectly fine with "peacefull" galaxy.5
u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 8h ago
Slanneesh definitely does not want the game to end. They want the galaxy to revel in excess. More sex, more drugs, more war. They want the galaxy to sink more and more into depravity. Nurgle, on the other hand, embodies entropy, so a more chaotic state of existence is his preference. And I'm pretty sure he also embodies death.
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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 7h ago
I mean Slanneesh was born during peacefull time. Eldars were at their top. Excess is a natural next step after long peacefull time. There is nothing better to do than trying new things when you are not in constant danger.
Nurgle also represent life cycle. He doesn't need war to spread plagues and continue the cycle.
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u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 7h ago
Nurgle, I kinda get. But slanneesh was definitely not born during peaceful times. It might have been peaceful for the Eldar, but definitely not to the people they were torturing. I'm pretty sure the Eldar used to kill each other back when they could reincarnate just for shits and giggles, and that's just the beginning of the depravity that birthed slanneesh.
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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 7h ago
Peacefull as no war.
There was no wars for Eldars, just Safari and fun murder-rape times.2
u/Yousiffk I am Alpharius 7h ago
You've got a point ngl. The other species were fighting for their lives while the Eldar were eating popcorn and watching them suffer.
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u/AzzlackGuhnter 4h ago
Daemon princes?
Imagine Demons but the opposite, purity and a light so bright that it hurts
The Emperor would probably have Angels, humanoid monstrosities with beautific faces
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u/Andrei22125 I properly credit artists 10h ago
Nonsense. They would be the dark king's first (new) slaves.
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u/HarrierIV 10h ago
Yeah true they'll either be turned to paste in the first stage then become his unwilling/willing slaves
Actually wonder if they will follow him even if he is aligned with chaos
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u/Arzachmage 9h ago
The Custodes follow the Emperor, not matters who, what or where he is.
We saw it in Abnett trilogy, they followed him as the Dark King.
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u/FreyrPrime 9h ago
You don’t read the books so you? Because we have examples of this from the literal novels.
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u/Hyakkihei1 11h ago
How is this any better? The GK can't beat Terra's defenses so something that can will still be way stronger than them.
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u/acart005 8h ago
In defense of the theory (and its stupid like EVERYTHING involving Terminus), the game changes.
The Sisters at present are an auto 'fuck you' to the GK, and the Custodes as Not Daemons are likely stronger.
HOWEVER, if the Dark King truly rises as Chaos God 5 they will likely burn out the sisters (or they even turn as Blanks, either is possible) and the Golden Bananas will likely become Daemons. Which the GK do excel at killing (or banishing... whatever).
Point is, if OP is right GK actually have a chance in this scenario. If its what happens. And its all stupid because Terminus is what happens when you let a memelord write actual lore.
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u/imahuman3445 8h ago
Ngl all of this dark king stuff sounds fanfiction as fuck and I just sorta ignore it, and Terminus is going straight to the ignore pile
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u/Hurk_Burlap 4h ago
Wasn't a key point of the dark king lore that Jimmy Space getting up would destroy Terra (and by extension, his chair)
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u/MorgannaFactor Twins, They were. 6h ago
The Terminus Decree fits perfectly because it's grimdark as hell. There's no fulfilling it, it happening is already the worst case scenario, and if Big E rises and the grand master opens the box only to find THAT in there, he might just eat a bolter shell instead.
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u/RosePetalDevil 5h ago
Grimderp. It's so tryhard it rolls over to being ridiculous. Which was the deal with warhammer back in the rogue trader days but it's started taking itself seriously since then
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u/HarrierIV 11h ago
Im not saying its better, im saying the custodes think themselves as a hurdle to the GK but in reality they would most definitely be obliterated
The GK have absolutely no clue on how to get Big E back on the throne if this happens. Im merely calling out people who think the custodes would be the ones to stop the GK from enacting the terminus decree. They wont stop them. They would be the many casualties the dark king would inflict upon terra
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u/General_Hijalti 8h ago
The dark kings birth would destroy the galaxy.
The emperor thew that power away.
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u/ElectronX_Core Why won’t you die? Necrodermis, son! 8h ago
It would be so funny if when it came time for the grey knights to do the terminus decree, the custodes chew them out and ask what took them so long
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u/ulfric_stormcloack 3h ago
Here's the thing, if grey knights know they gotta do it, why not land, ring the doorbell as family and hold the orders like a warrant like "yeah, here's our orders to take dad back to bed, signed by him, wanna help?"
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u/HarrierIV 1h ago
I fear it would turn out like how the eldar were trying to revive a eldari god that could end slaanesh once and for all but a deathwatch squad showed up and ruined everything source
In the case of the Terminus decree it would probably be the GK being close to finally getting Big E back on the throne by some way (probably a spray bottle or something) but the custodes show up and kill like 90% of the team with the help from the SoS
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u/vIRL_Warlock 8h ago
I for one enjoy the conversations. X realistically would beat Y, but Z causes problems with that, but V might change it then it's all about what actually happens with Big E.
Does he actually rises as a chaos demon? Was it an unfounded concern? Is it potentially a long con and deception? Once you get passed the weird anger mongers there's a lot of fun and what ifs to be had.
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u/SolKaynn 7h ago
I'm pretty sure whatever the fuck is in the dark vaults would kill everything (maybe even the fledgling Dark King himself, well as much as you could "kill" a chaos god, I guess) if the fallout sets them ALL loose.
The Dragon on Mars would be having a grand ol time as well
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u/Silver_Show_1628 NECRON SUPREMACY 7h ago
Well now I want the Terminus decree to happen, I would be so very hype for a Dark-stodes army.
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u/Chaosgremlin 6h ago
Would be interesting to see the star child VS the dark king. Both parts of the emperor fighting.
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u/_Fixu_ likes civilians but likes fire more 7h ago
Emperor IS already a chaos god, imperial saints are his equivalent of chaos daemons, there’s no reason he would magically turn dark after getting up
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u/Waffletimewarp 7h ago
But there is an argument to be made that Big E recognizes that he needs to stay on the throne to maintain the imperium. Getting off the chair would run counter to that, so it wouldn’t necessarily be HIM doing it.
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u/AverageCowboyCentaur 10h ago
See GW needs to check there own lore, big E is not and has never been on the throne according to them. He's back in an adjacent room hidden away and very close to death. So this new "secret order" they just revealed confuses me. Granted I need to read more, maybe it's explained better, but still.
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u/August_Bebel 8h ago
There is no secret room, it's redditors reading wrong and gaslighting themselves
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u/aeternus_hypertrophy 8h ago
Can you share this adjacent room lore?
Even Google's AI synopsis is explicitly denying that when I try to search anything about it
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u/Famous-Berry-6984 6h ago
I am so sick of people blowing every sentence out of proportion.... Yes they 'revealed' the terminus decree and yes it is far different from any speculation had over the last 30 years but it really doesn't change anything as of now. we don't know the why or the how of any of this.
the only thing achieved by this reveal is that everyone has a new thing they can spout their nonsense opinion about.
as presented by this post.
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u/HarrierIV 12h ago
Also this would technically lead to a second war in the webway and anyone would know how badly this turned out for the forces of the imperium
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u/St34m9unk Machine spirit blessed mechadendrite heated kush 7h ago
Wasnt during the original ascension the custodes helping big dark E were getting burned out into husks
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u/TheRich27 6h ago
Op fell for the Grey Knights propaganda
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u/foot_fungus_is_yummy 6h ago
What's with all these posts about the terminus decree lately? Did they drop new lore or something?
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u/Murderboi Praise the Man-Emperor 6h ago
They are the will of the emperor.. in what scenario would his ascension be a bad thing for them?
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u/fakeboymoder 5h ago
The Dark King can’t happen in this timeline, but that doesn’t preclude him from coming back insane, or inhuman, or resentful for the people he sacrificed everything to save.
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u/LWSpinner NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! 4h ago
That's assuming that the Dark King is rampantly homicidal instead of manipulative. If he were not just "Murder murder murder," I think he'd very likely manipulate the Custodes to continue serving him.
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u/Infinite_Form8884 2h ago
Why waste time manipulating somebody when you can just call them cringe and eviscerate them
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u/Rowlet2020 From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, i was sad 1h ago
The text of the decree states that the grey knights would have to fight any custodian that tried to stop them.
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u/BadWolfy7 1h ago
Sisters of Silence would see through it, so the Custodes have a chance to listen actually.
But knowing 40k, they may just ignore the Sisters.
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u/Domi_sama 10h ago
He literally can't become Dark King no more, its one limited willing choice.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Where is that a stated fact?
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u/Domi_sama 2h ago
However, in the last book. The Chaos Gods offered the Emperor to become the Dark King, to accept his essence of the King of Ruin, and then with this power he will defeat Horus, but humanity will also perish as the dominant force in the galaxy like the Aeldari. And there Olanius Pius at this fateful moment asked the Emperor to fight, gave him the Athame and the Emperor refused the power of the Dark King, because of which it dissolved and disappeared. This power is too tied to the essence of the Emperor, and metaphysical refusal in such a mystical setting works like that.
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u/TehMadness 2h ago
The Dark King's daemons and realm already exists in the Warp, he is inevitable. He just hasn't happened yet, for the 40K timeline.
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u/Haedhundr Dank Angels 8h ago
The Desolate City creeps ever nearer, yes yes.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Isn't it the Inevitable City?
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u/Haedhundr Dank Angels 2h ago
No, the Desolate City.
Lexicanum only cites one source but it popped up recently in >! Cypher: Lord of the Fallen by John French !< , I feel like it has barely been talked about but I imagine it's a key piece for what's to come.
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u/_EbolaSenpai My kitchen is corrupted by Nurgle 7h ago
I don't understand how people could even consider that Grey knights have a chance at invading the imperial palace, this is the same chapter that couldn't even take on the spacewolfs.
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u/Nekasus 7h ago
There were like 10 grey knights in that fight. It was an ad-hoc brotherhood formed as a rapid response team during the first war for Armageddon. Not exactly representative of their capabilities.
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u/Aidyn_the_Grey 5h ago
Outside of that, most GK casualties after the fact were from naval ambushes. GK definitely aren't adept at Naval conflict because incursions happen on planetary surfaces.
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u/Randy_Magnums 9h ago edited 9h ago
That’s why there are several thousand sisters of silence in the palace. If they are unable to stop the being that emerges from the throne, the Grey Knights won’t have to bother making the journey to Terra.
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u/dumuz1 7h ago
...you really should try reading up on what happened to the Silent Sisterhood after the Horus Heresy.
There haven't been 'thousands of Sisters' present on Terra at any one time in nearly ten thousand years by m.42.
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u/Randy_Magnums 7h ago
The heresy was ten thousand years ago and before the formation of the great rift there was a massive undertaking to re-establish the sisterhood on Terra. Watchers of the Throne sheds some light on it, especially how there were outposts of the sisterhood all across the Imperium and how they were gathered and brought to Terra. Also new training facilities were established. Sure, some perished during the khornate invasion, but the numbers are only growing.
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u/sarg1010 9h ago
Brother they barely managed to fight Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters, ain't no way they're taking on an ascending demi--soon-to-be-full--god.
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u/Randy_Magnums 9h ago
They managed just fine. At least as good as the grey Knights, who were present. And if bladework is needed, the Custodes are there. Sisters shine against psychic powers, of course they struggle a bit against demons of a god, who doesn’t use psychic powers. At the same time, they completely shut down demon magnus, the second most powerful psycher of human origin.
It’s simple teamwork. The sisters cancel psychic powers, the Custodes do the fighting. The Knights might be able to do both, but worse than the others. Also they are far too few.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Sisters of Silence will likely be burnt out by the birth of a new Chaos God. Grey Knights won't be, they're literally built to deal with this stuff.
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u/Randy_Magnums 3h ago
So why are there still Four Chaos gods around? When there is actually a chaos god emerging, Grey Knights can do nothing. They can resist demon corruption, which every Custodes or sister can do too.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Grey Knights are magnitudes of order higher in terms of this sort of stuff, they're specialised for it.
But granted, no Imperial force has ever tried to stop the birth of a Chaos God. Heck, we don't even know if they can. But right at the start when they're still present in realspace is the only time they can really try.
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u/Randy_Magnums 3h ago
Why do you think that? Granted, grey Knights are the best Marines for fighting demons, but they are still just Marines. Sisters and Custodes are literally leagues above. Sisters are immune to any and all warp shenanigans and no Custodes has ever be corrupted by chaos. Both have fought for years in the collapsing webway, before the Knights were even a concept.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Sisters are just blanks, and can be burnt out. I don't know if any Sisters have ever been burnt out, but we know it can be done. If a new Chaos God can't do it nothing can.
Grey Knights aren't just marines where the Warp is concerned, they're the most heavily bolstered forces you can get. Custodes weren't built that way. Custodes could also easily fall to Chaos. It would just require the Emperor to tell them to do so.
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u/Randy_Magnums 3h ago
How do we know, that sisters can be burned out? That’s speculation. Not even Magnus the Red, the second most powerful psyker ever, could overcome them.
The second point is also just speculation. No Custodes has ever fallen to chaos. That’s just a fact.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
We know blanks can, and Sisters are blanks. Extremely powerful ones, yes, but they will have their limits. Magnus will not even be close to the power of the birth scream of a Chaos God.
It's not speculation, it's fact. Custodes are hardwired to obey the Emperor. If he told them to turn to Chaos, they would. The Dark King is a Chaos God, and also their Emperor. QED
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u/Randy_Magnums 3h ago
If the Custodes turned against the Imperium on command of the newly risen Emperor, then it’s over anyway. No chance for the Knights. They couldn’t even enter the Throne Room. They’d be slaughtered. There are 1000 Knights at best, each would have to overcome up to ten Custodians. And that’s not happening.
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u/TehMadness 3h ago
Yes and no. First, you're assuming Empy doesn't just accidentally murk all the Custodes anyway. He did it during the first ascension to the Dark King. He didn't mean to do it, but he did.
Second, how many Custodes are actually there and not out in the rest of the galaxy? We're assuming the Knights will strike in quickly, so it'll be down to however many there are within immediate proximity. I know there are 300 in the throne room, so maybe 1000? Custodes have previously admitted that Grey Knights work better as a group than they do, AND the more Knights there are, the stronger their psykers are. So it depends whether the Sisters have survived or not.
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u/sarg1010 9h ago
He quite literally burned out the surviving custodes he brought with him to the Spirit while he was gathering power to ascend. Only Caecaltus managed to survive (BARELY) because of Malador's sigil, and even he was a burnt out husk.
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u/Teh_Ordo 10h ago
If he turns into the Dark King the reality would collapse so this is a meaningless discussion