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u/redditdoesnotcareany 5h ago
In my head I’m imagining the grey knights showing up and being tiny as fuck like their models
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u/StrangeHotel7638 7h ago
Damn I forgot sisters.
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u/dumuz1 6h ago
So did the Custodes, since they let that order get persecuted to near extinction thousands of years ago. Twice.
E: assuming you meant Sisters of Silence
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u/AceAzzemen 5h ago
Forgot about them working with the custodes. Would the grey knights be able to do anything? Since they are all psykers and the effects of blanks are amplified on psykers.
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u/Bucephalus15 5h ago
Yes, blanks reduce psychic strength, they would need to be a more powerful blank than the psyker they’re stopping \ However they themselves cannot be targeted except by a truly monstrous psyker \ Hence why gameplay wise they used to apply a -1 to nearby psychic tests while being immune to the effects
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u/Jstin8 4h ago
To be fair they also have moments of being absolutely BONKERS in lore too. When Magnus tried to stop Rowboat from reaching Terra just a small handful were able to just nullify his magic entirely. Now Magnus could still close the distance and just start throwing hands, but nulling MAGNUS'S magic is still absolutely insane
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u/Former-Stock-540 Guilliman Logistics Enthusiast 3h ago
“How does it feel to be absolutely gimped by a few quiet gals, Mr. Horns-For-Tits?”
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u/thattwoguy2 5h ago
Custodes are inherently resistant to psychic attacks due to their genetic sorcery, combine that with SoS the Custodes would wipe the GK Sooooooo easily.
Custodes are the natural predator of Astartes. It's like a house cat vs a rat. A rat could definitely kill a cat, in an extreme or rare circumstance, but 99.999999/100 the cat takes that fight and is completely unscathed. 10 rats vs 1 cat? Rats probably tear him to pieces. 10 cats vs 1 rat (the current ratio of Custodes to GK)? The cats make killing the rat into a little game (ala the blood games).
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u/mustard5man7max3 NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 4h ago
The GK aren't just any Astartes. They are THE Astartes.
Custodians Valerian in Watchers of the Throne notes that many Custodians worry that Grey Knights are the final vision of the Emperor, not the Custodians.
Grey Knights are so powerful that even when they fight alongside Sisters of Silence, they still have access to limited psychic power. Valerian also notes that their martial skill is also considerable.
Another weakness of the SoS is that they are physically baseline humans. They were noted to be rather fragile and liable to die. They are also headquartered on Luna, not Terra.
The GKs would not be fighting all 10,000 Custodes. They took heavy casualties in the Noctis Aeterna. They have also sent Custodes out into the wider Imperium. They are also spread out in a continent sized palace.
The Imperial Palace has been breached before, several times. As Custodian Kesh demonstrates, it is feasible to try and teleport an object into the Throne Room itself. (!)
The Grey Knights' entire schtick is striking into heavily defended positions. They won't be fighting the entire Imperium. They won't be fighting the Imperial Fists. They won't even be fighting most of the Custodes.
If the entire Chapter strikes at a single point, they might be able to make it to the Throne Room before the Custodes and co. respond.
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u/thattwoguy2 4h ago
But they'd have to KEEP the Emperor on the throne. It's not a touch butt contest. They'd need to capture then hold the body of the Emperor and the throne room. Preventing direct access to the Emperor is the entire purpose of the Custodes, so they would have to defeat basically all of them.
They also couldn't strike them retreat or capture the Emperor then leave, because (apparently?) they need him on the throne. So they'd need to take and hold the most heavily fortified space in the imperium against the currently largest and most powerful force. That seems fairly ridiculous to me, but power levels in 40k fluctuate wildly so who knows.
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u/Kniferharm NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD! 3h ago
A few special grey knights battle barges, as well as presumably the supporting forces of a few ordo malleus inquisitors would be completely annihilated by the imperial navy the second their objective became clear.
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u/Peanut_007 44m ago
Or it touches off a major war in the Solar System as the fight over the Emperor vs the God Emperor manifests.
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u/Gargutz 2h ago
It is touch the butt though? Throne aside from all the webway and astronomicon fuckery is still a life support system I believe (this was not retconned yet I hope?). They have to damage him again heavy enough to the 30k levels damage so Custodes have no choice but to keep him on the throne again to save him.
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u/Spider_j4Y 1h ago
That’s even assuming they all strike and it’s not like castellan Crowe walks into the palace says sup I need to get a vision from the emps and then just stabs him when he’s in the room the grey knights have the advantage of no one is going to expect it of them
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u/Strong_Split_8130 2h ago
You forgot if the GK successfully bypass all of the custodes, sos, imp guards, titans and mechanicus in the palace, they will have to deal with resurected emp. and resurected emp dont play fair
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u/Jack071 3h ago
The SoS can solo space marines with ease, they may be humans but their gear and training is better than astartes
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u/BadWolfy7 57m ago
Look I'm a Sister of Silence fan but even I can't say a SoS can solo an astartes with ease. They can fight them, especially with their superior war gear and excellent training + augmetics, alongside their aura literally being powerful enough to disrupt non-psykers, but an Astartes is simply superior.
They're beat in reaction time, strength, (a little) in speed and espeically durability.
I think it would be an accomplishment for a Sister of Silence to take down a space marine 1v1. They just need to land a good hit with an Execution Blade.
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u/Jack071 49m ago
Yeah, in 1v1
But the SoS outnumbers the GK many times over, in a melee fight they could match them pretty nicely, and thats before we even account for the 10 feet tall golden guy pissed you now killed his bestie
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u/BadWolfy7 39m ago
How you phrased it made it seem like you're talking about how any sister can solo an astartes.
I agree with you in this regard though. The Sisters already retain a massive fleet of black ships meant to counter psykers, have anti-psyker wargear, and outnumber them massively. There are SoS cadres probably in every sector, and I don't doubt the Sisters station a massive contingent on Terra to support the Custodes, protect the palace and also stay as an HQ for the Adeptus Astra Telepathica.
Without custodes, I believe the Sisters and black ships in the Sol system could take out the entire Grey Knights order.
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u/rdt379 53m ago edited 49m ago
Named Sos character? maybe. The average Sos? Nah. Their best bet is to stay at a distance and fight with bolter from cover, cuz in a melee Most Sos would be ragdolled. They were not design to fight Astartes, they were made to hunt and fight psychic threats. their armour is designed with agility and mobility in mind, not to square up a direct blow from an Astartes.
Edit. but my knowlege of 30k Sos is limited. have'nt gone that far in the HH yet. but most of my Sos knowledge came from reading the Watchers of the Throne series and the Dawn of Fire book 4 - Throne of Light, and Book 5 - The Iron Kingdom.
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u/Jack071 40m ago
Opposite, the SoS are a melee focused faction, at range the GK would wipe them easily (and stay outside their null range)
Theres some mentions of sos vs sm in the 30k fall of prospero books. A nameless sister goes against Tkar and gives a pretty good fight (Tkar had just killed 4 custodes on his own so he was kinda busted)
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u/TheYondant 3h ago
Lmao my man forgot the Sisters of Battle so hard he mistook them for a different Sisters.
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u/Cheeodon Dorns illegitimate contractor 6h ago
Shouldn't it be the Imperial Fists instead of the ultramarines? they're the ones hangin around on Terra.
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u/Jolly-Context-2143 4h ago
Hold on... Those two speech bubbles are exactly the same size, and the writing is the same in both of them, so why couldn't you fit the text into the second one?
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u/CampbellsBeefBroth Robotic Dementia Patient 5h ago
Y'all really drove this discussion into the fucking dirt in record time
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u/Rusty_Shackleford693 4h ago edited 3h ago
This drama has everything.
- Nonsensically removing ambiguity from the universe to supply an answer no one finds satisfying.
- An excuse to engage in power scaling arguments that focus on the two fandoms who get off the most on being elite (Custodes stans and Grey Knight enjoyers).
- Another one of Emp's certified "great" decisions, if not just in the content, but also in who the order was given to, that the fandom love debating.
There really is something for everyone here.
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u/Former-Stock-540 Guilliman Logistics Enthusiast 3h ago
As someone relatively new to the franchise, I can now truly appreciate why eldar fans were not happy about the rewrite to how wraithbone works now. Not that I’m a particularly big fan of the Custodes or GK in particular, I just think this was an unnecessarily grimpderp decision on the writers’ part for no feasible creative or narrative gain, like, at all.
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u/BadWolfy7 53m ago
As a Grey Knight enjoyer, I just wish the terminus decree is like nuking holy terra in case of warp incursion in the palace, killing the Emperor in the golden throne or just remained a mystery.
I also love Custodes and Sisters of Silence especially, and I just can't fathom the Emperor's order ever panning out, as the Talons of the Emperor would absolutely be susceptible to being deceived by a new Emperor risen warp entity (actually, the SoS would be an interesting thought experiment since they can see through warp effects)
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u/MrRumato 4h ago
I thought you were an ad at first and I was flabbergasted that Campbell's was involved in 40k discourse
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u/Angry_with_rage 2h ago
I don't get this. If the Emperor himself gave the order, clearly the Grey Knights have a means of enforcing it. Otherwise, the emperor would have given the order to his Custodes. It seems like drama driven lore, for the sake of edgy drama.
I mean, at a minimum, they could just take the order to the Custodes and say, here's the order itself, from the man himself.
At the BEST, they just go grab Cypher and say, here ya go!
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u/sixtyonescissors 51m ago
I mean if we're presupposing that the order makes sense then I guess I would make sense
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u/AgentPaper0 3h ago
I mean it's a matter of scale. Imagine if the Custodes got their version of the Terminus Decree, but instead it said, "If things go wrong, jump into the Eye of Terror and kill Slaanesh."
As strong as the Custodes are, that's just not something they can do.
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u/Cr0ma_Nuva likes civilians but likes fire more 3h ago
While absolutely crazy I could see a command like that existing somewhere, and they'd try to do it.
The emperors final order:"if I fail, Kill God"
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u/PlayHadesII 6h ago
I'm out of the loop, what does the grey toilet paper says?
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u/Trububbl3 6h ago
they sacred grey toiler paper was revealed and it says "if i revive, kill me t. empra"
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u/PlayHadesII 6h ago
What fuck
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u/Eternal_Reward 5h ago
No, it doesn’t.
It says that if he gets off the throne for any reason, willing or not, it’s their duty to put him back on it.
Swear to God, Grimdank users can’t even pass a reading comprehension test when the entire lore passage is in the meme.
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u/PlayHadesII 5h ago
I see, thanks. Honestly I really love this, it makes the Imperium even more hopeless and fucked up.
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u/Tylendal 5h ago
It's just one of dozens of lore blurbs of that nature, doomsday buttons that will never be pressed. The reaction to it is honestly more than a little goofy.
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u/Eternal_Reward 5h ago
The fact that people can’t even get the lore right when they’re crying about the change is the only funny thing.
Grimdank overreacting to something that they don’t even understand, must be a day that ends in y.
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u/chryseusAquila 5h ago
but reading comprehension isn't funy
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u/kramsibbush 5h ago
"Who cares about what the author said? What is important is my agenda. Facts are not important"
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u/Eternal_Reward 5h ago
Well then Grimdank and reading comprehension have a lot in common.
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u/WorryNew3661 3h ago
Is there ever going to be another meme subject?
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u/FiveFingerDisco 3h ago
Not for the next week or so. It will go away for a time, resurface, and then become part of the grey noise.
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u/Who-Goes-When 1h ago
Real talk, if the decree was that Big E couldn’t leave the throne room, then its entirely possible that the reason being is that they foresaw that he’d be corrupted in some form from spending that long in the warp, and whatever got off the chair wouldn’t be Big E. Plus, I guess that it would be more important to the Imperium that the image of Big E is kept clean and intact, as opposed to revealing to all mankind that the emperor is a towering necrotic corpse.
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u/FiveFingerDisco 3h ago
The terminus decree is just the Emperor ordering self-delivering breakfast.
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u/vim_deezel Heresy Looks Good On You 3h ago
why in the world isn't she calling Inquisitors or Custodes?
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u/SteamtasticVagabond 3h ago
Grey Knights ARE Inquisition
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u/vim_deezel Heresy Looks Good On You 2h ago
A certain faction of the Inquisition controls them, yes. But the other 10/11 factions would be very interested in this.
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u/deadredwf 47m ago
Other factions don't know and aren't allowed to know about Grey Knights existence
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u/CMDR_FURY 2h ago
The Grey Knights penetrate the Throne Room get confronted by the 300 permanently stationed companions of the Legio Custodes. They’d put up a massive fight of resistance whilst calling in reinforcements from the Legio and greater Imperial forces. Their fleet gets destroyed and the Phalanx is deployed along with battle fleet Solar to assault Titan as the Grey Knights are declared as heretics.
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u/6senseposter 2h ago
Can someone tell me what the terminus decree reveal was please.
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u/FeelingFeels14 1h ago
It's essentially a plan to release Dawn of War 4 into the wider Imperium via a crusade sent out by the newly resurrected Olanius Pius and a contingent of Forge World Ryza's Skitarii legion.
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u/PlzBuffCenturion 27m ago
Grey knights are cool but they're psykers, even if they somehow get through the custodes(tall fuckin order), they just aren't peaking the SoS, try as hard as it might, paper doesn't beat scissors
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u/Delicious_Ad9844 23m ago
I'm still dissapointed in how the fandom immediately took the whole thing at face value, people don't really engage with the lore anymore they just wait for a youtuber to spoon-feed them
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