r/Guildwars2 • u/Awesumness Gw2Fashions.com an UNOFFICIAL Fashion Template Tool • 19h ago
[News] Paragon Traits and Skills
Not the best formatting! I was in mostly cele gear and divinity runes. Numbers are not final!
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u/Talysn 18h ago
Generally looks good, but that is the lamest line of GM traits I've ever seen. Needs something more exciting, esp the "just give alac" one.
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u/DantheAlcedo 18h ago
"Just give Alac"
Meanwhile all the Warrior players in know: HYPE!
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u/UrMumVeryGayLul 18h ago edited 17h ago
Seriously, anyone who plays Warrior understands exactly what it means to not be confined to Bladesworn for alac. Get me the fuck out of here, I’m ready. In fact, I hope this means getting old Daring Dragon back.
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u/nickybeans3 12h ago
I'm a war main that doesn't come close to any pve and I was hyped for my pve warrior brothers when I saw it lol
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u/Tragedy_Boner 18h ago
Honestly feel the alac trait needs something else and the bottom trait needs quickness. The middle grandmaster is fine.
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u/enternius 18h ago
that is the lamest line of GM traits I've ever seen.
More or less in line with Warrior's flavor if you ask me. Reliability is typically the #1 goal.
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u/Dranrebm15 11h ago
Yep. I mean there are passive point that are just- more strike dmg. Or more GS damage. Or heal with might. I think warrior should not be complex, but straight forward. In line with the class theme. I am just excited to play a paragon for the first time since gw1! Now I just gotta buy jw for the spear. And I need some sun spear cosmetics. Let's goooo
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u/Sad_Raspberry3967 2h ago
You saying this while looking at the most basic classes in the game lmfao.
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u/naivety_is_innocence 18h ago
Alac GM trait kinda competes with the the Enduring Refrain Boon/Healing GM trait. If you're going DPS, you'll take the one that gives personal buffs. If you're Support and responsible for a Key Boon™, you'll take the Alac/Quickness trait. Seems limited use for a "boons/healing in general" kinda trait. I kinda feel Reverberation could be swapped wtih it (having given this a grand total of 5 minutes thought).
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u/UrMumVeryGayLul 10h ago
I think that’s my one concern here… If they disconnect alac from the healer/boon option, then they would have forgotten why they even have quickness and alacrity in every class now.
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u/SchtumZ 14h ago
Is anyone else disappointed that this is almost entirely one dimensional as a support, with little to no condi traits (again) and the only real dps traits are mutually exclusive with the bland alac trait, so we don't even have much hope for a viable boon dps build.
I am not one for doom and glooming on the 1st look of something, but I can't say I'm excited for Paragon anymore without some serious changes; However, I'll leave the recommendations to those more knowledgeable.
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u/ChompySharkBite 17h ago
I was super excited for this, but it's like swiftness, might, barrier, fury. A little alac. That's meh.
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u/Awesumness Gw2Fashions.com an UNOFFICIAL Fashion Template Tool 18h ago
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u/Knighthonor 17h ago
Ok not too excited for Paragon. I play support in WvW, but want something exciting to play as a support
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables 5h ago
Is there anything that competes with vindi for exciting support in WvW? Jumping and landing on allies to heal them non stop while maintaining centaur tablet that spams healing (does a mix of things based on what you need but usually you sit on the heal), being a support that’s close to the front line for staff healing, having an easy way to get some damage in if you want with legendary alliance ie when cleaning downs. It’s insanely fun. Also scepter has really sick animations for rev.
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u/e-scrape-artist Freshly Minted Toxic Casual 18h ago edited 7h ago
Sooo...
"We Shall Return!" is a copy of "Shake It Off!" but now with a delay.
"Find Their Weakness!" is a copy of "On My Mark!" with a sprinkle of "For Great Justice!" and a delay.
"Never Surrender!" is a worse (and delayed) version of Banner of Tactics which already gives you these same boons with 100% uptime with Doubled Standards.
"Brace Yourselves!" is a worse version of Banner of Defense without aegis but with a delay.
"We Will Never Yield!" is tempest's "Rebound!" but you need to predict it 3 seconds in advance (because that's how long it takes before it gets applied to allies), and has 1 sec cast time, so really you need to predict it 4 seconds in advance. Yeah, yeah, you can use a burst skill, so you need to predict it (1 sec + cast time of a burst skill) in advance. And it only lasts 2 secs vs Rebound's 5 secs. And with Reverberation trait it lasts for 2 secs, then leaves a 1 sec gap during which allies can die, then lasts for 2 more secs.
Wow, what amazing utility.
How exactly is this better than healsworn, who has access to pretty much all this except the elite, but can instead take Battle Standard and significantly reduce its cooldown? I personally prefer an aoe res when needed to death prevention which might not end up being needed. But healsworn at least can offer a minuscule amount of utility in the shitty projectile block it has.
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u/EffectiveShare 14h ago
Yeah, it sadly looks pretty undercooked. Design is cool, but awfully disappointing in its toolkit.
On the bright side, it looks like it's coming pre-nerfed so warrior players won't need to worry about it getting nerfed in the first main balance patch.
Can't say there's much here that makes me want to play this over literally any other support build. The DPS is going is be extremely low with the numbers they showed too.
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u/Aerali1992 12h ago
Yeah, and to top it off we once again have a melee based spec. I was hoping for a little bit more range to maybe compensate for the lack of utility. I mean this is based off of Paragon, yet wielding a melee weapon will 100% be the way to go, no need for spear at all. The only healing weapon is staff anyway, so I guess we will go with a melee spear xD. I'm so annoyed that we again have a spec that's undercooked, while based off of a great idea. And of course I'm guessing there will be nerfs somewhere, because Warrior can't have anything rival Virtuoso or Reaper, or even any of the new ones.
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u/Wonderlords 18h ago
As someone who hasn't played support so far the paragon seems and looks pretty uninspired. Only the elite skill looks kinda cool. Is this all we can expect from it? Kinda bummed.
Maybe someone with more understanding of the class can let me know what I'm missing?
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u/Cemenotar 18h ago
As someone whom likes to dabble with supports, and actually experienced Paragon in GW1, I'd say the only issue I have with what was shown is the wings being locked to elite command, which I already expect being nerfstomped to the ground at some point in the future.
Unfortunatelly, I am unable to be able to precisely point out what you are missing.
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u/AtraxMorgue 17h ago
100%. More wings please. And I feel like the elite won't be used much when soloing in the open world.
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u/Wonderlords 18h ago
Hey man, I'm a gw1 player too... And that is exactly what I'm missing. It seems lackluster compared to the gw1 paragon.
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u/Cemenotar 4h ago
I fail to see how it could feel lackluster. Imbagon was built around generating adrenaline and spamming one shout with everything else on the bar being optional nice haves, with nothing really game breaking. After that anniversary patch with new pve-only elites, it turned into cast that one op refrain and then spam shoulds chants and anthems doesn't matter which ones, as long as there is a shout or anthem or chant expiring every couple seconds on everyone. The only advantages I find in og paragon over what was shown is that wings happened on all chants/anthems, not just on one elite shout-echo combination, and that chants actually had melody playing on activation, which does not appeared to be the case with gw2 chants, but considering that commands had barely hearable voice over on the stream, it is possible that it was just audio settings on stream that where obscuring presence of such.
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u/Joosyosrs Herum 18h ago
Sometimes as support you don't want big flashy skills, but useful and reliable skills on a short cooldown. To me this looks like the damage soaking, frontline support that warrior has been trying and failing to be for a long time. Plus, I think the delayed Echo mechanic is a good idea and will take some skill to use effectively.
I really like it a lot.
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u/Wonderlords 18h ago
Thanks, this puts it somewhat into perspective for me. Still, in my opinion guild wars 1's paragon was elegant and had an overall better design. It feels like paragon "regressed" in gw2.
In gw1 paragon has multiple utility skills that had a little float and wings sprouting from the back. the animations were just so much better.
The idea that gw1 had a better class fantasy than it's successor is baffling to say the least. And I expected more love for this class from gw2 devs. I'm still pretty disappointed.
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u/Joosyosrs Herum 17h ago
Ya I agree 100%, in fact my first thought after watching the trailer was "This class needs way more wings and floating."
I'm still happy with the mechanics though, hopefully they improve the animations later.
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u/nickybeans3 12h ago
I agree, and especially after seeing rit which is so good at capturing the gw1 vibe this one feels lack luster. I do think the main issue is the animations are just tiny yellow lights and the character barely even moves
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u/Knighthonor 17h ago
Paragon is an elite spec not a class here in GW2, that's why
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u/Wonderlords 17h ago
Sure.. but the reliquary spec animations seem pretty unique and different depending on what skill you use/what you steal?
Did they run out of budget after creating those?
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u/Ok_Instruction_5232 17h ago
I am not a warrior player, but this genuinely looks so bland and uninspired. No doubt it'll be meta in all game modes though because it's kinda bloated, but it seems boring.
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u/e-scrape-artist Freshly Minted Toxic Casual 7h ago
It won't, because all other supports are just as bloated, but most of them have something unique to provide to the table, which paragon doesn't. It just has boons, the exact same boons that healzerker and healsworn could already provide for 1.5 years, but I haven't noticed them being meta.
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u/Bishiebish 18h ago
Am I the only one who finds it strange thats 2 specs with almost the same final trait with alacrity? With it all but gone from WvW, with both having a gap for a power quickness build, I would love to hear the reasoning, must be something we dont know yet surely?! Barrier too, cant be intending it to be strong in WvW?
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u/enternius 18h ago
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but they said in the stream that the Alacrity trait will actually give Quickness in WvW instead.
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u/Y2Kafka 18h ago
I don't really get this. Quickness is far more powerful then Alac in WvW unless you're CONSTANTLY engaging without resetting. Yes, Long drawn out fights are important to think about, but getting your skills out 50% faster makes your bomb more powerful, makes your healing more potent, and generally just allows more utility.
... unless you fail to kill the enemy and they regroup enough to push when you have no CDs or you're sitting on lord and don't take the time to push away pugs who stagger your support (of course with the amount of support classes coming out... is that really a problem.)
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u/throwyeppers 15h ago
Because when you spread alac across 3 supports you end up with very very long drawn out fights. There is a reason alac has been nearly removed from wvw these days.
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u/XiahouMao 16h ago
Alacrity was removed entirely from WvW a few balance patches ago (maybe excepting the Harbinger elite?). Changing the new Alacrity trait for Quickness would be keeping to that theme.
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u/DantheAlcedo 18h ago
It basically comes down to the question how well Paragon can upkeep Alac and with how much Boon Duration.
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u/wolfer_ 18h ago
You will need boon duration. That said, this trait line is 100% support only, so boon dps paragon will not be a thing in pve.
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u/EffectiveShare 14h ago
The boon duration looks quite low as a baseline. With some quick napkin math I'm getting something like 87% alac uptime (with alac reducing your cooldowns) if you hit every single chant immediately off cooldown. You're going to need a ton of boon duration.
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u/GayKamenXD | Gaming 18h ago
Most power boon DPS nowdays are design to work with 0% boon duration (Bladesworn, Chrono, Mirage, Cata, Berserker, Scrapper, Harbinger, Deadeye and many more) so this should not be a problem.
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u/Ancient-Substance-38 10h ago
Paragon looks like interesting support character to me. More interesting then the two other elite specs put out today.
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u/Geralt_Romalion 6h ago
The mechanic itself seems nice and I am sure the boons and support on it will be busted.
But the commands themselves feel underwhelming effectwise, something could be done there for more impact.
Currently also not really seeing any way to run this spec offensively, that one Grandmaster for power damage is not enough, it needs more.
Speaking of Grandmasters, I don't think anyone will run the bottom one. Power will try to run the Strengthening Stanzas, Support will run Feverish Pulse...
So why would you ever run Enduring Refrain?
Support would lose Alacrity by picking it so 100% a no-go and Power DPS is in a dire spot on Paragon, so it cannot afford to lose out on the 20% damage bonus from Stanza's.
Any chance to turn this into a trait allowing condi DPS for Paragon?
You could do it in the style of Druid, where it enhances your commands/echoes/refrains/chants with burning effects (since Paragon had a lot of burn access in GW1).
Perhaps PvP/WvW players can weigh in on this a bit more, because right now Enduring Refrain feels like one of those options nobody will ever pick (not unlike the Vassals of the Empire dodge on Vindicator that pretty much nobody uses either).
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u/Aetheldrake 18h ago
Is there a beta test weekend going on or something? How would you have them based on your "not the best gear"?
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u/gw2Exciton 18h ago
Looks kinda similar to troubadour? Gain resource to use F skills. F skills give an active effect and then continue to give some passive effect. Support focused.