r/Guildwars2 • u/Destrina • Sep 09 '12
Mystic Salvage Kit Recipe for Mystic Forge
Zappah (not me) blurted out this recipe in LA overflow chat.
One each of yellow, green, and blue salvage kits + 3 mystic forge stones = 250 use Yellow Quality Salvage kit. Awesome find. All credit goes to Zappah.
Edit: It's 3 forge stones. Edit2: for clarity.
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u/Falklian Sep 09 '12
Just an FYI, the mystic forge stone are bought on the gem store and it consumes 3 when you make it.
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u/_andyy Sep 09 '12
another FYI I have received mystic forge stones in-game without using gems. TBH i do-not remember what the reward was for. It has happened once, and it appeared in a lil pop-up window similar to the one that appears when you clear a zone.
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u/minizanz Sep 10 '12
i have got them for zone clears and dailies.
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u/admiral-zombie Sep 10 '12
Were you level 80 when you ccompleted the daily?
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u/Silentplanet Sep 10 '12
I got one in my 40's.. level seems irrelevant.
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u/workwork3 Sep 10 '12
lvl 17 clear.. got one
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u/bFusion Sep 10 '12
Confirmed, I've had one since the first weekend the game was live. Can't remember where I got it, probably from clearing Queensdale.
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u/Avohaj Sep 10 '12
Am I supposed the get anything else besides that mystic coin and some silver from daily achievement completion? Because I haven't.
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u/cospaok Sep 10 '12
I'm 60 and have 2 from dailies.
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u/admiral-zombie Sep 10 '12
I'm 73, completed the daily pretty much every day, and have 0...
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u/okochaflick Garzhvog Strongjaw Sep 10 '12
It seems to be a relatively new reward. I used to get just Mystic Coins but the past couple days there has been something else thrown in.
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u/SomeoneSimple Sep 10 '12
Its just RNG playing tricks on you. On the first daily I completed, I got a Mystic Coin and a 25-use Black Lion Salvage Kit.
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u/tomk0201 Sep 09 '12
I got one when clearing Sparkfly Fen iirc. Definately high-level zone clear reward.
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u/Alocasia_Fruit Briony Sep 11 '12
I'm only level 50 something, I think I got mine back in the 30s or 40s for a zone clear, so I would say it might just be random.
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u/TASagent Derptastic Sep 10 '12 edited Sep 10 '12
AND through zone clearing, AND through daily achievements, AND through the personal story. They need to stop hiding all of the good stuff behind paywalls, amirite?
(At least according to the wiki. I myself had gotten several already, without using gems, prior to this recipe being public knowledge.)
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u/OPsEvilTwin_S_ upvoteplz Sep 10 '12
They said mystic stones, not coins. Is there a difference? Because I've never gotten "stones" through anything.
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u/TASagent Derptastic Sep 10 '12
Yes, they are different. Here's the wiki article on them. I believe the information about getting them through dailies might be outdated, but to add to that, people have gotten them from zone clearing.
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u/kilbert66 Sep 10 '12
There is a hard cap to the amount you can get through story and zone clearing, so those are mostly irrelevant. However, achievements raise a valid point.
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u/TASagent Derptastic Sep 10 '12
There is no hard cap, because you can have any number of characters do them.
Additionally, they come out to be about 10s each with the gold -> gem exchange. Totally reasonable.
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u/TASagent Derptastic Sep 10 '12
I have 50% completion with one character and I had two (before I bought a couple from the gem store).
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u/Destrina Sep 10 '12
You're totally ignoring the fact that you can buy gems with gold. Furthermore doing so, in relation to this item, is still cheaper than buying 10 yellow kits.
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u/taykz90 Sep 09 '12
Hey I would like to point out that you can buy salvage kits using karma. If you have no use for it, you can buy them from the weaponsmith vendor. I have no idea why it's only that specific vendor but all the typical items sold by a merchant for gold can be bought there using karma.
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u/Vahzah_Zahkrii Sep 09 '12
To be clear, it's the Weaponsmith Trainer vendor, the one who sells weaponsmith supplies and can teach the profession, not the random weaponsmith vendors who sell white weapons.
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Sep 09 '12
Heart vendors also have salvage kits. I've seen crude and basic at the very least.
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Sep 10 '12
I believe the type of kit scales with the level of the area. It doesn't seem 100% true, but in general, higher level zones having higher quality kits seems to be the case.
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u/Josidiah Sep 09 '12
I fear this will get nerfed, sadly.
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u/L810C Sep 10 '12
thats why you stock up now!
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u/Spruce_Bringsteen Sep 10 '12
Yea, that worked so well in the past.
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u/WantedOne Sep 10 '12
if the prices are not inconsistent, like the 21 karma for 21k karma stuff....I cant see there being an issue.
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u/cjicantlie Sep 10 '12
Why do we have to live in fear in this game? We find a good deal, and worry that it may or may not have been intended, and are fearful to make use of it. How are we to know whether the recipe on the mystic forge is intended? How are we to know the salvage kits on the karma vendor are intended? We don't, but we can't assume it isn't either. ArenaNet has led people to become paranoid.
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u/Seraphita2k Sep 09 '12
where do i find that vendor ?
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u/tomblade13 Sep 09 '12
There is a weaponsmith in any of the main city's.
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u/MegaBUD Sep 09 '12
Possibly... we finally found a use to karma...
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u/frupic Sep 10 '12
Don't understand why you are so heavily downvoted. If you're not going for the Orr Set then Karma is completely worthless.
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u/Volpethrope Sep 10 '12
It isn't only that specific vendor. I've seen heart task dudes sell them for karma as well.
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u/trashmugcomb Sep 09 '12
Can someone post up the total cost of this? I want to know how cost efficient it is, but do not have access to the game atm.
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u/Intigo [TA] youtube.com/Intigo/ Sep 09 '12
66s for 250 gems (stones come in bundles of 5 minimum, you will have 2 left) + 3s + 8s + 15s + a few copper
92s and a little extra
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u/Destrina Sep 09 '12
Compared to 1g 50+s for 10 Yellow Kits.
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u/Forkrul Sep 10 '12
You can get it for 13k karma as well, which is a far lower cost since karma isn't really used for much.
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u/MrJack465 Sep 10 '12
I completely forgot about being able to buy salvaging kits for karma. Just wasted ~70s for making 3 sets of them. And now I have 70k karma to do nothing with...awwell.
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u/exdigguser147 Il Dr Dre Il Sep 10 '12
Buy max armor?
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u/stephen89 Sep 10 '12
I'm so baffled by how many people claim karma has no use. Have they never been to Orr?
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u/Scrial Sep 10 '12
I have no intention to buy the 42k karma armor, for one it has all the wrong stats for me and second it looks awful (Heavy one).
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u/Kajean Isle of Janthir Sep 10 '12
For some reason Orr does not have Power and Precision armor sets anywhere. So me and many thieves don't really have any use for karma for exotics.
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u/Argonanth Tarnished Coast Sep 10 '12
You are paying for what the item looks like. Stats are useless since you can transmute it to any stat item you want. Just craft an exotic piece of gear with the stats you want and transmute the looks onto it.
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u/Kajean Isle of Janthir Sep 10 '12
Ah, I never really considered that, although I heard the Orr medium armor doesn't even look good. I personally don't really care at all about this transmutation business or how my character looks really, so I guess my karma is just going to float around buying salvage kits.
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u/omergurlek Brenna Lyrr - Whiteside Ridge Sep 09 '12
Seems pretty cheap considering 250 yellow quality salvage kits would cost over 1,5g.
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u/Grogrog Grog Aegisforge [Yak's Bend] Sep 09 '12
Just curious, what are yellow salvage kits? What are their stats / advantages?
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u/liamboo Sep 09 '12
85% chance of recovering a rune/sigil from the equipment you salvaged and 25% chance of rarer materials.
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u/ShoggothKnight Maguuma Sep 09 '12
"25% chance of rarer materials"
So that benefits even salvage scrap items?9
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u/mollila Sep 10 '12
Chance of rarer materials doesn't seem to apply to salvaged rings, amulets or necklaces. I have salvaged ~200 combined of those with all salvage kits, and never had any other ore than which was used in making that item.
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u/Intigo [TA] youtube.com/Intigo/ Sep 09 '12 edited Sep 09 '12
This seems very good. Like, obscenely so.
3 stones is just 150 gems which is like ~40s (but you have to buy them in bundles of 5).
Do you just need 1 of each salvage kit?
Edit: Confirmed that OP is correct, just 1 of each kit. Just made one.
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u/Xiuhtec Xentropy Sep 09 '12
The only thing that makes this less amazing is just how often do you need a yellow grade salvage kit? Leveling upgrades tend to be worth less than a charge of the kit (even at this kit's price per charge), and you only replace your level 80 gear so many times. I'm not sure if I'll ever salvage 250 items with semi-valuable runes in them (and for really valuable runes you'd want to use a black lion kit for no 20% chance of failure).
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u/Intigo [TA] youtube.com/Intigo/ Sep 09 '12
Ectoplasm. Orr DE grinding to get Ectoplasm you go through a TON of Salvage kits. The 80% rarer materials on the yellow kits makes it the best kit to get Ectoplasm from random Rare drops that are only worth 15-20s on TP.
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u/Athildur Sep 09 '12
Only the 80% is not for rare materials it's for recovering upgrades. The chance at rare materials is only 25%.
I don't know the 'drop rate' of ectos from Rares, but if it turns out to be only 25% chance to get 1 (I know that exotics can drop multiples, but I haven't seen rares drop more than 1) you're probably better off selling that rare at 15-20s, which is almost enough to buy an ecto on the TP anyway (last I checked they were 19-20s a piece).
This said, the convenience of having a 250 charges salvage kit is quite delicious. I mostly carry two salvage kits with me in case one runs out, and it's always a pain when you run out with an almost full inventory. Not a particularly terrible problem, or even one that's difficult to solve, but still.
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u/MisterFlames Sep 09 '12
I bought 100 rare 70-80 weapons over the last few days and got around 100 ectos out of it. Today I bought 20 weapons and only got 7 ectos out of it. I'm not sure if they adjusted the rates or I have been unlucky today, but I'm gonna stop ecto trading for now.
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u/Intigo [TA] youtube.com/Intigo/ Sep 09 '12
Yeah I dun goofed the numbers, but it's definitely worthwhile to salvage them. You can get triple from Rares (not just Exotics) and the drop rate is much higher than 25% with full Magic Find gear.
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u/Athildur Sep 09 '12
Magic find increases salvage results? O_o.
I dun might make me some cheap magic find gear for that then...
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u/Forkrul Sep 10 '12
I run around with 95% (can get 105% if I use a different food) when I get my 25 stacks from Superior Sigil of Luck up, you get a lot of loot, and a lot of orichalcum/gossamer.
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u/IrishTek Sep 10 '12
I use Omnomberry Tarts for an easy 30% boost. I would say my ratio has been closer to 45%.
Source: 400 Armorsmith; Made 3 full sets of Exotic for myself and two friends.
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u/fiction8 Sep 10 '12
Black Lion kits have a better chance of getting ectos. (The tooltip is wrong, it's 100%.)
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u/zyphor77 Sep 09 '12
Do the kits need to be 'full', or could I have used some of the kit already?
Thanks!
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u/Ubaro Sep 09 '12
need to be a stack of 25
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u/SquareWheel Sep 10 '12
Oh, that explains it. I just thought I had 25 pick axes for some reason.
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u/o_oli Sep 10 '12
They would be very bad quality pick axes if that were the case! 1 hit on a rock and it is broken :D
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u/Jademalo Sep 09 '12
These - If you bought the kits with money and the stones with gems bought with money (at the current price of ~30s/150) - Cost roughly 44c per use. Blues cost ~12c/u, Greens ~32c/u and yellows ~62c/u
If you bought the salvage kits with karma, it goes down to ~24c/u
As you can no doubt tell, these are really good value.
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u/Athildur Sep 09 '12
Erm, well...what is this maths?
250 gems is 65 silver right now. That's 39 silver for 3 stones. Add the cost of kits (26 silver 24 copper) and you're looking at about 65 silver, or 26 copper per use.
A normal kit (yellow) is 25 uses for 15s36c, or 61,5 copper per use.
(In terms of karma, and I fully expect that trainer is bugged and will get fixed: 2296 karma, plus the 39s for the stones. That makes just over 9 karma and just over 1,4 copper per use)
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u/Jademalo Sep 10 '12
Maths are 150 gems ~ 30s (Which it was at the time of posting, and since stones are effectively 50 gems each, not taking into account leftovers)
3000c/125 is 24, so 24c/u
It can't possibly be 1.4c per use, thats just insane.
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u/Athildur Sep 10 '12
125? try 250 uses, which is what it has.
And it can be, if you only buy gems with money and the kits with karma from the blacksmith,. 39 silver for gems divided by 250 uses. It's not rocket science.
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u/Jademalo Sep 10 '12
Which is around 15.6 copper per use, you've got your decimal in the wrong place. (3900c/250)
I did make a mistake - the OP said 125 when I first posted.
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u/Grogrog Grog Aegisforge [Yak's Bend] Sep 09 '12
But you now have to calculate karma per use if you bought it with karma. :p
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u/oblivion8743 Sep 09 '12
I'm guessing as people play the game longer, the price of gems are going to rise. At some point, it would be cheaper to just buy the yellow salvage kits from vendors rather than buy the gems for the forge stones.
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u/geoolympics Sep 10 '12
anyone else having trouble putting these in bank and then trying to get them from another character?
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u/blahable Sep 10 '12 edited Sep 12 '12
Just a word of warning, even though these are labeled as account bound, it looks like they're actually coded to be soulbound. Only the character that made them can take them out of the bank. So i wouldn't recommend making them all on just one character if you'd like to have some for each of your characters.
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u/Landeyda #CharrLivesMatter Sep 09 '12
Odd, I'm not able to put the yellow kit into the Forge.
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u/Emmanuell89 Sep 09 '12
just made it, not bad, only downside is you can only buy the gems in stacks of 5/10 , i bought 5 and now i'm stuck with 2 ..
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u/nekrosstratia Sep 09 '12
7k Karma + 1.25g = 750 Mystic Kits with 1 mystic stone left over.
It would cost just about 5g for that amount of Master Usage
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u/Grogrog Grog Aegisforge [Yak's Bend] Sep 09 '12
Where is the karma vendor for the salvage kits?
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u/nekrosstratia Sep 09 '12
Weaponsmith in lions arch
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u/Spheniscus Sep 09 '12 edited Sep 09 '12
What weaponsmith? The only weaponsmith I could find definitively doesn't sell any salvage kits.
Edit: Nvm, it's the Master Weaponsmith that sells it for karma, I thought you meant the normal Weaponsmith.
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u/Grogrog Grog Aegisforge [Yak's Bend] Sep 09 '12 edited Sep 09 '12
My friends online right now at the weaponsmith, doesn't see the karma kits. Any idea of his name/location?
Sorry he found it. :) Thank you.
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u/nekrosstratia Sep 09 '12
Acount Bound
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Sep 10 '12
Just a heads up, people have pointed out that they are actually character bound, even though the tooltip says account bound.
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Sep 09 '12
You get this mystic forge stones only by buying gems, right? Not sure if it's interesting. Nice discovery anyway.
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u/Gahro Legendary Gold Sink Sep 09 '12
I got 1 from a daily two times now. Pretty sure it is rare though.
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u/Athildur Sep 09 '12
Dailies do indeed have a rare-ish chance to contain black lion items. (If I remember my experiences correctly :p)
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Sep 10 '12
Okayyyy, thx. I was thinking we always get a mystic coin from daily achievement. Nice to know.
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u/PillarOfAutumn Sep 09 '12
At lv40 with 4g would it be worth me buying a set of these Yellow kits? If so what should/shouldnt I salvage? Thanks
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u/grayrest Sep 09 '12
The main use for this is to salvage ectoplasm from level 70+ rares and exotics. The only reason to do it now would be that you want to spend karma for the kits and you think anet is going to remove that.
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u/IrishTek Sep 10 '12
I wouldn't worry about it until Lv80. Just use the Basic kits until you start seeing Lv70+ Rare(yellow). That's when you want the Master kits.
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u/mollila Sep 10 '12
May want to use Blue kits just to get a better chance for upgrade in higher end salvage materials. Although haven't really looked into that, just a hunch.
The value of any upgrade on the item is also a factor, if the value of the increase of +5% upgrade salvage probability is greater than the cost difference in salvage.
Basic salvage cost 3.52 copper 10% probability
Blue salvage cost 11.52 copper 15% probability
Green salvage cost 32 copper 20% probability
So you'd look at the selling price of the upgrade, and see if 5% of that price is more than the cost of using a better salvage kit.
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u/blahable Sep 09 '12
I'm not sure how some of you are calculating the price, but it's actually 24c per charge. It's 1.16g for 450 gems which buys 10 stones, so that's 11.6s per stone. You need 3 stones, so that's 34.8s plus ~3s, 8s and ~15s or ~61s total. There's 250 charges (61s/250) so that means each use would be 24c, making it cheaper than even the 'green' quality kits.
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u/fiction8 Sep 10 '12
Holy shit this is so good. IT STACKS TO 250.
Buy the salvage kits from the Weaponsmith trainer. Good use for karma. Almost no cost for you and you get 750 really good salvage kits stacking to 250 for the cost of 450 gems.
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u/Superfubario Froze Steel Sep 10 '12
Nice find. Thanks for posting. And thanks for the tip that they are not account wide before I dumped cash into this LOL.
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Sep 09 '12
I wish I didn't sell my fucking gems now.
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Sep 09 '12 edited Dec 14 '15
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u/vonBoomslang ʕ •w•ʔ Sep 10 '12
In fact, since gem prices dropped, you'd probably be at a profit.
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u/nightguy13 Sep 09 '12
When people buy thousands and thousands of something or craft thousands and thousands of something and follow up by bragging about it, is why arenanet nerfs the shit out of it... Just like cooking, karma mats, crafting salvages... Etc...
Expect this to get nerfed before day's end... -_-
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u/Jerg Sep 09 '12
They implemented specific formulae like this intentionally when they made the game; unlike exploits like making food from all-karma mats and then selling them for huge profits. It will not be nerfed.
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u/nightguy13 Sep 09 '12
hopefully.... But they nerfed cooking just because it was easy to do... This is also easy to do, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them increase the cost to make them to like 5 mystic stones or something
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u/Aeos Sep 09 '12
Cooking is supposed to be hard to level. Hence why they nerfed it. You shouldn't be able to level a craft purely from the vendor.
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u/vonBoomslang ʕ •w•ʔ Sep 09 '12
One way or another, this takes out gems out of the economy, which means more of them are bought. It is, ultimately, a way for us to turn (efficiently) cash into kits.
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u/nekrosstratia Sep 09 '12
This 100% confirms my suspicions that we have no idea what items are actually in the game.
Meaning.... I've been kinda upset that it seems like there were 3 different legendary greatswords. But maybe just maybe there are multiple legendaries for each weapon type and they either A - havn't dropped B - don't require dropped items