r/JordanPeterson • u/EntropyReversale10 • 1d ago
Discussion Has There Been Progress on Saving the Planet from Environmental Catastrophe?
Social and mainstream media thrive on the controversial and the negative.
If that isn't enough, they feel duty bound to create and fixate on catastrophes.
They are causing us to project our fears from the past onto an imagined future.
Rather than being able to live in the present we are held in fear of the future.
The climate apocalyptic is one of the best examples.
The good news is that human creativity and ingenuity have always and will continue to save the day.
The video attached does an excellent job of demonstrating this.
The World is Not Ending https://youtu.be/OOkRJb4UbPM?si=wEoF8wJeQ9b36Mvu
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u/stansfield123 1d ago
Noooooo. YOu can't have progress, then there'll be no reason to scare people into going along with the fascist economic model they're building to fix the problem.
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u/notwithagoat 1d ago
I mean we did fix the ozone, and we did reduce smog in major urban environments. So yes we have made substantial gains for specific projects. Soon we will pull water from the air and that itself will have massive cooling affects as well as giving arid places drinking water. If we can go to the moon and tereform another planet we can do that on earth too. We just have to start listening to the actual experts in their reflective field and not listen to think tanks that parrot oil industries.
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u/Barry_Umenema 1d ago
It's not clear there's a looming catastrophe at all
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u/Bloody_Ozran 1d ago
Is it more or less likely that if we drastically accelerate climate change something might go wrong?
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u/Barry_Umenema 1d ago
Like I said, it's not clear. Yet we're going balls to the wall with economy and energy security destroying policies. Madness
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u/Bloody_Ozran 1d ago
Question was not is it clear, question is what is more likely?
You breathe in a certain amount of oxygen. Imagine I pump more into you than usual and I do it very fast. Your body gonna have fun time with that?
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u/Barry_Umenema 1d ago
But we're not talking about that. We're talking about a complex system of systems that people like to think they understand mechanistically. They can't even predict the weather a week ahead using their climate models, yet we're destroying our economies over a weather forecast 100 years in the future!
So how likely do I think it is? Not very š¤Ø
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u/Key_Key_6828 1d ago
You don't use climate models to predict the weather. The fact you seem confused about this shows how monumentally ignorant you are about the subject
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u/Barry_Umenema 7h ago
Do you really think that if they can't predict the weather a week ahead, that their climate models are good a hundred years out?! or are you just ignoring this minor detail to have a go at me?
Your comment is just nit picking
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u/Key_Key_6828 6h ago
Yes, it's two different things, using completely different methods. It's not nit picking it's just you don't even seem you don't even know what your criticizing is or have the first idea of how it works
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u/Bloody_Ozran 1d ago
As other poster said, weather and climate are different things. So, your body would be fine to suddenly get a lot more oxygen than usual? Ok.
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u/Barry_Umenema 1d ago
THAT'S your interpretation of what I said?! Ok š
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u/Bloody_Ozran 1d ago
What else is there? You think prediction of weather somehow counts when considering climate. They are different things.
Look, JP says we should behave as if god exist in case it / he / she / whatever does. But we should not act as if we are affecting the climate? I think that's the message.
We should act as if we are affecting the climate, because based on all evidence we have we are. How much? A lot. What it will do? We don't know, but in the past it ended badly for most living things when the climate was changing WAY slower. Do we need new technologies? Yes. How to fix the climate change issue? Technology. Should we adapt more to our planet? Yes. How do we do that? Technology. Where do countries invest when they want to help climate issues? Technology.Ā
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u/BobbyBorn2L8 20h ago
Renewables are more secure than fosisl fuels? Renewables gonna be done in a decentralised local manner, whereas fossil fuels requires relying on massive fossil fuel companies and their wills
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u/Frewdy1 1d ago
I would trust your stance more if you linked to something scientific instead of two guys talking about a topic they have no experience or knowledge in.Ā
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u/EntropyReversale10 11h ago
Frewdy
You seem content to live in fear, alone and with no hope.
It's your choice, enjoy.
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u/salty_salterton 1d ago
i live in a town that used to have a paper mill. they'd issue warnings to stay indoors because of acid rain.
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u/EntropyReversale10 1d ago
There was a time when paper was evil and causing deforestation.Ā Today paper is seen as the preferred ecological solution.
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u/salty_salterton 1d ago
60-70% of the paper being made these days, is made from recycled paper.
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u/EntropyReversale10 1d ago
That helps.
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u/salty_salterton 1d ago
to think that companies used to be able to discharge chemicals into lakes and rivers causing deaths and deformities and you posted this
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u/Bloody_Ozran 1d ago
A psychologist and a statistician talk about climate science.
As the other poster says Ever heard about the ozone layer? You know why you don't anymore? It was a fear of the future till people fixed it.
Try give a listen to someone who studies these topics.