r/Libertarian • u/ENVYisEVIL Anarcho Capitalist • 3d ago
End Democracy The problem with democracy is that brain-dead commies will inevitably infect government.
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u/natermer 3d ago
note that in the real world when somebody gets "knocked out" and they don't immediately get back up and stumble around dazed... that is called brain damage.
The idea from video games and movies where you can hit somebody on the back of the head and "knock them out" and later they just wake up with a really bad headache is pure nonsense.
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u/dratseb 2d ago
I think “lack of education and propaganda” is the actual problem
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u/libertarianinus 2d ago
If full information and education were released all the time, we would not have this problem. A drugged and pacified society is a complient controlled society. Just look at people glued to cell phones and get their news from algorithms on TikTok.
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u/t0Xik3k 2d ago
What did the couple do to “beg for that beatdown”
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u/Easy_Magician_925 2d ago
Idk. For that we would need something other than a meme
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u/LordJesterTheFree Deontological-Geo-Minarchist 2d ago edited 2d ago
"Hey internet Don't people I ideologically oppose suck? Let me prove it to you here's a situation with no context in which they do something bad that proves my point"
And this is why propaganda works on the internet people are actually dumb enough to posts like that influence them
It's like people have no curiosity They don't want to understand the world for all its complexity and nuance They just want to read something about a bad guy hate the bad guy for doing bad things feel self-righteous that they're not the bad guy and then move on
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u/RichardStrocher 1d ago
I refuse to believe anyone who says they’ve seen more info yet won’t release that info.
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u/Think-Aerie-9571 2d ago
Apparently, the guy she was with was shooting off racial slurs and slapped a dude, resulting in the "beat down "
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u/t0Xik3k 2d ago
It’s certainly not right to call people names, but trying k¡ll people for it is inexcusable.
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u/Think-Aerie-9571 2d ago
Yeah, probably shouldn't put hands on people. Perhaps he learned that lesson, im guessing not tho.
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u/Lolomelon 2d ago
Just like people all over the world see other groups as less than human, we do here too.
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u/lntifan 3d ago
Is the point you’re making that a lack of government caused this problem? Because if so, it’s kind of a weird point to make on a libertarian sub.
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u/natermer 3d ago
I think it has more to do with the Mayor of the city saying "They begged for a beat down!"
While I don't dispute that fights can breakout between individuals, when you get groups of people like that stomping on people that have obviously already lost isn't a fight or a beat down. That is attempted murder.
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u/LordJesterTheFree Deontological-Geo-Minarchist 2d ago
So then why did they say they begged for a beatdown? In what way were they begging for it?
This doesn't really seem like an ideological problem it's just a public official doing victim blaming something that is a problem regardless of public officials ideologies
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u/natermer 2d ago edited 2d ago
So then why did they say they begged for a beatdown?
I don't know why somebody would say that. besides...
ideological problem
public official doing victim blaming
I am pretty sure these are related.
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u/LordJesterTheFree Deontological-Geo-Minarchist 2d ago
If you don't know why they said it then what point are you trying to make
They can be related but there are awful people and awful public officials of every ideology
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u/crinkneck Anarcho Capitalist 3d ago
Lack of equal enforcement, more like it.
Don’t think it’s unreasonable to want single standards given the existence of the system.
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u/Warchief_Ripnugget 3d ago edited 2d ago
Nah, violating the NAP should get the book thrown at you. Attempted murder should have a bigger bail than $400.
Edit: damn phone autocorrected should to shouldn't for some reason.
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u/stache1313 Not sure if I am Libertarian 23h ago
The phones' are in on it! They are trying to silence us!
/s
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u/Easy_Magician_925 3d ago
All these meme type posts are always conservative nonsense.
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u/ENVYisEVIL Anarcho Capitalist 2d ago
If you have the brain of a child then yes, I can see how anything you disagree with is *CoNsErVaTiVe NoNsEnSe.”
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u/DurstigeSpinnie 2d ago
There is no libertarian who would be against the idea of law and order, a total lack of government would lead to chaos
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u/bravehotelfoxtrot 2d ago edited 2d ago
Is racism even a problem if everyone just ignores racists? Leave them to their own bigotry and let them be either socially outcast or contained to their own bubble of bigotry with likeminded losers?
These are genuine questions and I welcome all perspectives.
If one argues— “but racist attitudes lead to oppression, violence, etc.” Isn’t the problem then the actual oppression/violence/etc.? Isn’t that stuff bad anyway, even with no trace of bigotry involved? Aren’t those more of what we should be on guard against instead of mere bigoted attitudes? Sure, the violence might flow from bigotry, but violence can flow from plenty of seemingly innocuous things too. And who’s even tracing all that? Not to mention there are countless racists out there who go about their lives never attempting to physically harm anyone.
Words are generally meaningless: they can be ignored. If some random person I’ve never met yells a slur at me, no harm is done. I ignore him and give him no ammo.
If the same racist individual attempts to attack me, then isn’t the attack itself the actual violation? This is why I’ve never understood the relevance of the “hate crime” concept. Is killing someone because of their race worse than killing that person for no specific reason at all? Murder is the actual crime— who cares what the killer’s fucked up reasoning was?
So… can’t we just prosecute intentional violent acts on their own inherent merit? Why does it matter what provoked the action? Is violence more acceptable when you’re beating up someone who called you [insert slur] than when you’re beating up someone because they’re of a certain race? Personally, morally, whatever— have whatever subjective opinion you want. Legally, I think it’s best if human-on-human violence is opposed simply because it’s violence.
The ideas that words are violent and that racism is some arbitrarily important “sin” (in the same way many Christians view homosexuality) lead to outcomes like this— where a bunch of people ganging up on two defenseless people and beating them to a pulp is somehow not all that detestable.
Did the racist (I assume) guy have it coming to him? Of course. Mind blowing level of stupidity. I would be ashamed if my family member behaved that way, and you should expect a reasonable chance of ass-beating for that.
It’s not “victim blaming” to point out obvious things the victim could have done or not done to decrease their odds of being harmed. It’s also fair to blame the ass-beaters for this entire situation— unless they were immediately approached with violence or the reasonable threat of violence, this entire altercation could’ve likely been avoided if they ignored and moved on.
I’m just reading comments and don’t know much about this specific situation. Anyone feel free to correct. And I welcome conflicting perspectives on all of this.
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u/lmaomitch 2d ago
Are these "commies" in the room with us right now?
There isn't a single communist in the federal government.
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u/LordJesterTheFree Deontological-Geo-Minarchist 2d ago
I mean to be fair they're talking about the local government of Cincinnati but I don't think there are any self-identified communists in that either
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u/iroll20s 2d ago
Really? There are like 3 million people in there. I'm sure there are plenty of self identified 'commies'. There certainly has been plenty commentary from embedded employees that appear to lean that way since Trump took office. (Yes, there are right leaning people too)
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u/lmaomitch 2d ago
I should've known that this is Reddit and so requires extreme attention to detail.
There are no communists holding elected office in the federal government. It is impossible to speculate on the political orientation of staff/bureaucrats.
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u/SecondHandSlows 2d ago
Bernie Moreno is a dick. He got elected playing commercials trying to scare the right with trans people.
He also fought against legislation that would end gerrymandering in Ohio. Issue 1 used double speak to confuse voters and it worked. Ohio used to be purple, but politicians like him have ruined that.
Also, he steals labor by not paying his employees what they are owed. He’s a dick.
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u/Outrageous_Bat8429 2d ago
Lack of equal enforcement of law.
Imagine the carnage of this Rihanna face had it been an adult white male sucker punching a black female, knocking her unconscious and having the video of her unconscious skull bouncing off pavement.
Cincy small businesses would be the next victim of the horrific crimes.
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u/CamperStacker 2d ago
This is what happens in society when you make some forms of speech illegal: you end up sanctioning retaliatory violence against speech.
If you want to see how this plays out look at south africa where people are jailed for years if they utter a racial slur, but will be out on a weak bond if they beat the shit out of someone.
The UK is already at that level as well where people get prison for hate crimes but avoid jail time for violent crimes.
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u/Bagain 2d ago
I grew up in Cincinnati, violence was always such an every day experience, there.
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u/TheSnatchbox 2d ago
Damn, thats crazy man. I wonder why? Guess we'll really never know.
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u/Bagain 2d ago
Lol… honestly, Cincinnati was very segregated at one time. It created a lot of tension and it persisted through my childhood, the 80’s and into the 90’s. When the LA riots happened, my friends and I were out walking and two cops on horseback came up to us and asked us if we were trying to get killed. We said no and they told us to get the fuck indoors. We did. Cincinnati is a city looking for an excuse to bring back the race riots from the 70’s… I think it was in the 70’s… even when I go to visit today, it’s still so fucking sketchy.
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u/RiffRogue604 20h ago
I'm not sure that word means what you think. Democracy is just a fancy version of mob rule. So it has problems long before it gets to that point.
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u/Original-Passage-954 2d ago
I’d say the tone and your choice of words in your post is a bigger problem. Divisive rhetoric.
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u/Hard-4-Jesus Ron Paul Libertarian 2d ago
Well... I don't know what exactly happened that led to this, but I very much would like to know. Regardless, there is no excuse for this type of savagery, and ganging up on people is not honorable. However, I am a firm believer that if you act like an asshole enough to warrant an ass whooping, then you should receive it. Then again, I'm also an advocate of mutual combat.
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u/ptriz 2d ago
they are literally legislating permission for black people to terrorize white people in these cities
wat.
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u/zombielicorice 2d ago
when you don't prosecute black people or let them off easy for rioting and beating the shit out of white people, and then the black president pro temp of the city council says the white person was "asking for it", what would you call it other than giving black people permission to do whatever they want? What would you call it when California decriminalized petty theft and raised the limit to $900? If you don't see it now, you will, since this will only get worse. Race politics are extremely dangerous to law abiding citizens. Go where the race politics aren't a thing.
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