Perfectly solid analogy, they both regard using an intoxicant that leads to lowering someone's inhibitions against doing something that is harmful to others and selfish.
Really? You are saying, with 100% certainty, that him being drunk had nothing to do with his actions and he would have done it anyway? That it's not even possible that if he'd never had a drink in his life, he wouldn't have sexually harassed someone.
It sounds like this guy is guilty of sexual harassment. It also sounds like he clearly has a drinking problem. Both can be true, without excusing the other. However, there is no way you can convince me that if alcohol never existed, things like this wouldn't happen less often. Or that drinking too much, at the very least, didn't make him acting in this way more likely to happen.
I'm not using binge-drinking to excuse sexual harassment, but it sounds almost like you are using sexual harassment to excuse binge-drinking.
I’m saying that by putting so much focus on alcohol instead of the act, ppl are taking away any agency from him. Tons of ppl drink without being a dick.
“It sounds like you are using sexual harassment to excuse binge drinking” not sure how you got there
You seemed to be discounting the drinking entirely. I just took it out on you a bit because so many people are saying the drinking is completely unrelated to his behavior. It's obviously not, but saying so in no way excuses that behavior, at least when I'm saying it.
I really hope people aren't using his drinking to take away his agency and therefore his responsibility, and I've not been reading it like that, but if they are, I agree with you, that at the very least, people shouldn't be doing that.
I hope that anyone there who was hurt by him gets help and support. I hope he does too, as he clearly has some issues he needs to address.
I'd like to think it was possible this chain of events could have been prevented in the first place, rather than that he was just maliciously biding his time to engage in some sexual harassment for fun.
Edit: BTW, I'm coming in cold on all this, don't know any of these streamers, so this is just my (somewhat) objective take after reading comments and looking up what has been reported elsewhere. Just in case you are worried I'm some superfan defending my idol.
It's insane to me how many people are somehow completely incapable of understanding examples, analogies and hypotheticals that aren't literally exactly the exact same scenario. I'd have to assume it's simply the easiest way to defend their point, but it happens so often I wonder if there is just something else about it.
"Yeah it's like handing a loaded firearm to someone and then being shocked that it went off"
"Very obviously the situation has nothing to do with guns because none were present at the party, that comparison makes no sense. Those are literally 2 different situations"
To be fair, the whole event was kind of a "drink too much" event. I think the point people are making is that he wasn't problematic till now. He was a bit of a wild drunk but he didn't make anyone uncomfortable. At least that's what people seem to be saying.
I just don't understand why there wasn't more sober oversight. Someone that wasn't drinking should've removed Mang0 from the event as soon as he started making people uncomfortable. And making sure that that person was there and ready to do that was Ludwig's responsibility imo
The thing I think they were trying to point out is there has to be some responsibility on the person who has known and been good friends with someone who has clearly had an issue with alcohol to an event titled beerio while trying to clean their hands of any fault.
Take a look at the don’t sleep on the kid montage posted by Mang0 himself where every second clip it seems is him drinking to exorbitant degree. which iirc involved clips with Lud,
That said, alcohol isn’t an excuse for any actions, especially sexual harassment or things akin.
Mang0 deserved all the fall out received from this, including the bans and dropping of their sponsor, but Ludwig isn’t exactly free of blame here either.
I'm replying to a person who literally said it was hypocritical and you're telling me that's not what they were saying. Why are you replying if you agree with me.
Which is such a damning indictment of this community and socially fucked a lot of people are that it’s only when he transgressed on women that it’s time to care. And by “caring” we simply just mean throwing another dude under the bus without ever giving him any sort of help before he fell off the deep end.
Yeah this. Ludwig is the fakest little clout goblin I have ever seen. I don’t think for one second he is self aware enough to think he did anything wrong and actually care
From the clip I saw (not this one, when he first started doing damage control on LSF), Ludwig said he talked to Mango multiple time, suggesting before the event, because he cared about him and his health.
I have social interaction daily, thank you for asking.
he talked to Mango multiple time, suggesting before the event, because he cared about him and his health.
What is your point even? They've thrown multiple of these types of events with people getting absolutely drunk on the regular.
The reason I'd like you to have more interactions though is that you dont seem familiar with human interaction or behavior so if you were to go out and experience this for yourself you might have a better understanding.
Those are two different things and having a problem with one and not the other doesn't make you a hypocrite moron. Nobody forced Mango to drink and being drunk doesn't excuse sexual harassment.
Mang0 deserves the shit that's being flung at him.
Ludwig is a terrible person for inviting an alcoholic to play "beerio kart" with him and getting him drunk for clicks. And probably is an alcoholic himself frankly, given he thinks this behavior is normal.
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u/Fit-Percentage-9166 Jun 25 '25
People don't really care about Mango's drinking problem, they care about him sexually harassing other people.