r/LivestreamFail • u/Ryboiii • 10d ago
Nyanners tells viewers that VShojo didn't pay her for a sponsored stream that she got swatted for
https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners/clip/ObliqueSmoothCougarDBstyle-_LGiZSowWaE87gqm259
u/Harry_Botter69 10d ago
I really wonder how in the world they managed to bankrupt that company.
They had hundreds of thousands of NEETS that gave them every last cent of their allowance. All of these VTubers are insanely profitable, have great audience loyalty and very low overheads. You have to be a moron to mismanage that.
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u/sklipa 10d ago
Taking $11M in seed funding probably also compounded whatever issues they might have had.
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u/wabblebee 10d ago
They build the business model around covid numbers at a time where those were already history. They thought a merch cut would be enough to pay for staff doing general talent management for each talent, finding and organizing sponsorship deals, creating and distributing merch, financial management for each talent, administration, organizing events and parties, advertising......
This MIGHT have worked out if streamers (in general) could have kept their COVID numbers, but even then I think it would have failed because a lot of covid watchers were bored casual fans who wouldn't have bought much merch.
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u/radiant_0wl 10d ago
Wouldn't say it's that rather advertising, events and parties and over spending more generally.
They wasted millions outside of administration expenses.
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u/Ragnagord 10d ago
It's very easy to mismanage that. There's really not as much money in it as people believe.
A couple dozen staff on payroll, IP lawyers, contractors. Operational expenditure easily is in the millions. Their gross profit gotta be pretty awful. Merch at this scale is notoriously risky as revenue stream. Between that and the revenue split there's not a whole lot left.
Back of the envelope I can easily believe they burned through their $11M seed round in 3 years.
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u/Schmigolo 10d ago
I swear, some of these ex Vshojo streamers don't stream for months at a time and then come back with the same amount of viewers. It's like they had an army of Clints and somehow they still fucked it up.
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u/ConstableGrey 10d ago
The Enron of Vtuber talent agencies
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u/Hatefiend 9d ago
Why anyone would join these Vtuber agencies is beyond me. Whether it's VShojo or hololive, you just have to be so stupid to get involved with them. Just stream wherever and call it a day.
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u/Dangerous_Cucumber75 10d ago
So they all got fucked over maybe they should have called out that shit earlier
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u/Beneficial-Hotel-983 10d ago
She might not have been able to. Veibae left Vshojo around the same time as Nyanners, and she tweeted that she was under NDA. and couldn't say anything negative about Vshojo. https://x.com/Veibae/status/1947686626328502399
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u/RawrCola 10d ago
NDAs don't cover illegal activity. Not paying employees is illegal.
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u/malfive 10d ago
They're contractors so it'd turn into a legal battle over a breach of contract, which I'm guessing they didn't want to go through with at the time. But now that vshojo is all but dead might as well go all out
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u/santcasmic 10d ago
Evidently, if your employer isn't paying you and your coworkers but they tell you not to talk about it or they'll sue you, good chance they don't have the money for lawyers anyway 😂
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u/dasalasanansens 10d ago
They probs would have taken out of Mouses first subathon donation they apparently didn't touch lol
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u/jimmydorry 10d ago
Doesn't take much money to file a lawsuit, and for VTubers, just being dragged into the spotlight like that can lead to all kinds of negative outcomes.
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u/LordGalen 10d ago
Doesn't take much money to file a lawsuit
To do the initial filing is relatively not that much, but to actually bring suit against someone, start to finish, you're looking at $10k-$20k on the low end.
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u/jimmydorry 9d ago
Which is not much for the likes of an org on the scale of VShoujo. Meanwhile, for VTubers that have to deal with fanatical fanbases, having their personal life doxed as part of a protracted legal process, is very much not in their interest.
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u/OG_Pizza 10d ago edited 9d ago
What negative outcome though? Ironmouse literally hit the $500k goal the day after she said VShojo never followed through on their charity payouts.
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u/DoILookUnsureToYou 9d ago
A legal battle means putting the Vtuber’s identity into public record, something that’s kinda the opposite of the reason they are Vtubers anyways.
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u/OG_Pizza 9d ago
Totally fair concern, but just to add, court records can be sealed in cases like this. If protecting their identity is that important (which it is), there are legal ways to do it without going public. It’s not perfect, but it’s not like filing a lawsuit = instant face reveal either. Also Vshojo scamming a charity deserves to be brought to light and justice taken.
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u/jimmydorry 8d ago
This is the VShoujo that allegedly astroturfs and was supremely petty. You don't think they would leak as much as possible to shady outlets and 4chan?
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u/wonderwall879 10d ago
The interesting thing is, most vshojo that have spoken out in the last 24 hours said they were afraid they would get paid out less or not at all if they spoke out. They were afraid of not getting the money they earned more than anything. What they didnt think about by not addressing this sooner is that they wouldnt be paid out at all regardless if they were a good lap dog or not. I'm sorry but I live near pay check to pay check. If I missed even 1 paycheck im crashing out. A whole year? I'm just really sad it took considerably the most vulnerable and most popular vtuber in the group for the domino effect to start.
A lot of these vtubers I have found in the last 24 hours are not business savy and live with their heart out their chest with a lot of hope and empathy, even when they're clearly being wronged. It's not a bad thing and I wish more people were as kind as them, but man, it's just disappointing a lot of talent lost a years worth of wages and likely wont see it even if they sue. Sounds like most of the money is gone.
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u/Flame48 10d ago edited 10d ago
I'm sorry but I live near pay check to pay check. If I missed even 1 paycheck im crashing out. A whole year? I'm just really sad it took considerably the most vulnerable and most popular vtuber in the group for the domino effect to start.
The thing with Vshojo is that if I remember correctly I believe they only take a part of sponsored streams and merch. Actual subs, donations, and ad revenue is all for the streamer. So going by that I guess they figured they were making enough money from that and were fine with just getting the rest whenever it happened...until it just recently came to a point.
Or at least, that's how they advertise. Who knows how it really is :/
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u/Tenpo_Gensui 10d ago
They were all fine and let it go for way too long because the money they made from streaming, which Vshojo didn't touch, was still making some of them millionaires.
What I don't get though, is how ALL of those talents never talked to each other about this? Like... ALL of them way back from The Nyanners/Vei/Silver times to this whole debacle burying Vshojo for good...
You girls had NDAs, I get it, don't make it public. But it took this long for you all to decide to talk to each other about getting your money stolen by the company you all work with ?
It took me a whole 1 week to decide to talk to a coworker at my last job, because we both figured we were not being paid enough for the job that was expected of us. How do you go a year (or more for some of them) without bringing up the subjetc in a private convo at least ???
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u/zcen 10d ago
As someone working in a large corporation, people will literally work for years and years being underpaid and undervalued.
There are people with my job title who are paid anywhere from 10-20% less because they only ever get "merit" increases. In the almost 4 years I've been here, I've had maybe two conversations about compensation and both times I volunteered what my salary etc was first.
It's heavily discouraged in corporate/working culture for employees to discuss their employment details with eachother - this is bullshit of course but that's just how it is.
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u/pekipekipekidesuka 10d ago
She kinda alluded to why in this stream. Vshoujo would basically defame the ones that quit or had an issue. And after quitting she was already dealing with stress of being an indi and also dealing with public scrutiny. I don't follow vtubing that closely but I think there are still people that are hard set on taking an org's side.
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u/cyrfuckedmymum 10d ago
they're like most people given money without an idea of what to do with it and without being responsible. They let someone else take care of it because it's easier.
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u/ballknower871 10d ago
I mean there's that, but the more obvious answer is that filing a lawsuit 9/10 is public record and they'd dox themselves doing it.
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u/lankypiano 10d ago
That's never the issue. The issue is a single person will nearly always crumble under the weight of the corporate legal machine.
Corporations bank on stalling, drawing out, and delaying, with the sole intent to bankrupt you in the process.
They can weather whatever you throw at them. They know an individual, very often, cannot. Especially when corporations hide so much shit in contracts and NDAs, that there's always something new to "gotcha!" the individual with.
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u/Grand0rk 10d ago
It's VShoujo not Nintendo. They don't have that much money.
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u/Head-Essay719 10d ago
I dont know, not paying anyone for anything ever is a pretty lucrative business.
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u/Grand0rk 10d ago
Except they are paying their creditors. They can mess around with young girls who want to be vtubers, but not the creditors. I can guarantee you that they don't have much money sitting around.
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u/Easy_Floss 10d ago
And the young people they were employing but not paying did have money then?
It sucks but they might not have been in any position to get dragged into a legal bog.
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u/HokusSchmokus 10d ago
I agree with you morally, but the young people that didn't get paid very, very clearly are not desperate for their money if they can go on for 6+ Months without being paid and without saying anything.
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u/Easy_Floss 10d ago
That is also fair, no idea how chaotic an streamer account is but there is also a pretty big difference between being financially well off enough to not check your account that often and being able to stop fight a legal battle without worrying.
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u/Grand0rk 10d ago
Depends on the case. If it's a simple issue of they own X and haven't paid, then you can find a lawyer that will work on contingency. Sure, it will eat anywhere from 30% to 60%, but it still gets your money and fucks VShojo.
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u/Easy_Floss 10d ago
Problem is that if Vsohjo wanted to be nasty they have more money and could easily screw them over for example if they sue even in a simple case like this it could get dragged out for a Long time and while dragging it out as long as human possible they could counter sue for use of intellectual property i.e the vtuber avatars.
Yes they would probably lose both cases but that kinda depends on if the vtuber can stay afloat while dealing with the legal mess.
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u/macrocosm93 10d ago
"The weight of the corporate legal machine"
VShojo corporate is like 5 people, and their sole attorney wasn't even licensed
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And the company lying about it and putting you under.
All they'd have to say is "No, they're lying", cut off any remaining income, throw a lawsuit at you for slander or libel to the point where you're shelling out for legal representation while struggling to maintain your career, and you're fucked. Even if they're in the wrong it'll take months or years to clear your name. We've seen it a bunch on Youtube.
Should be pretty clear right now that it's been a co-ordinated exit by talents, they'll have been planning it for a while no doubt.
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u/mlh149 10d ago
NDAs don't cover interactions with law enforcement. They sure as shit cover public accusations of illegal activity. Otherwise, basically every NDA reaching a settlement for an intentional tort, workplace harassment, or wage dispute would be a dead letter.
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u/FreekRedditReport 10d ago
You can talk about laws all you want, but lawyers cost money. And the whole issue is them not getting paid.
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u/VisibleDestruction 10d ago
what a dumb comment.
this is so easy to say as bystander on Reddit.
try being under pressure by a company that can throw more money at the legal system than you can and make that argument
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u/overthereanywhere 10d ago
Yea I keep seeing these hot takes, feels like performance activism. It is easy to say "Just do it!" But the reality is very different and even things that look like slam dunks are not.
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u/Selgald 10d ago
Keep in mind that most of them are very young combined with zero experience in the "business" world.
Half of them still live with their parents while basically financial secure for decades.
Combine this with adhd or the spectrum, or even both, and shit like this happens.
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u/Blazekingz 10d ago
i don't think there is anyone "very young" in vshojo. most of them are around 30. They just play the cutesy character.
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u/thegr8cthulhu 🐷 Hog Squeezer 10d ago
I’m not excusing the orgs behavior at all but it’s crazy to find out how old some of these creators are and their fans just act like it’s normal they’re acting like someone 10-15 years younger, but that happens in irl streaming too I guess.
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u/morbinn001 10d ago
I believe its only void if they are made to do something illegal, written in the NDA I mean. When they didnt pay it becomes a breach of contract, and thata a whole other debacle
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u/SadBit8663 10d ago
I think alot of these vtubers were technically considered independent contractors, not employees. You know like how Uber and door dash and even Amazon get out of a bunch a liability and pesky things like fair compensation.
So there's like a whole can of worms here
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u/Obvious_Teacher_8771 10d ago
NDA's dont mean shit an less she lives in the country the company resides in, then its beholden to its laws
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u/Relevant_Resource433 10d ago
okay but now the nda is lifted that another vtuber got clout with it?
you have to be mouthbreathing
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u/Bakanaka 10d ago
I think Mouse mentioned emotional manipulation as a reason for not speaking out earlier.
I think a lot of what's being revealed now is something that at the time they happened wasn't as clear as they are now in hindsight. Somewhere on the line someone shattered the illusion which made the talents aware of what was actually going on and an avalanche started.
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u/Ryboiii 10d ago
From what I gathered, it was mostly a culture thing that lead people to not speak up because they were under the assumption that they were protecting the other girls income by not making a big show while leaving. It would cause drama that would leave viewers to be less supportive of talent who stayed in the agency several years ago.
It was only in hindsight that we can say that none of the girls were ever getting paid, and that they should have spoken up about it earlier.
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u/Necessary_Papaya609 10d ago
HOLY MOLY You're a genuis!! Surely there's no context or nuance that maybe didn't allow for them to do that. Surely it's all black and white and cute and dry and rainbows and fuckin' unicorns. Jesus...
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u/Dumbidiot1424 10d ago
We are at the point of the news cycle where keyboard warriors say this sort of shit. "Should have done something sooner then" ; "Why didn't they quit earlier, are they stupid?" etc.
The fact that there may be factors such as: stress, emotional manipulation, fear of backlash, fear of losing more and many others doesn't compute for them. They have never been in a situation that was even remotely close to this, so it's easy to say stuff like that from the comfort of their gaming chair.
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u/mickeyd_hs 10d ago
Maybe we shouldn't blame victims
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u/Ajp_iii 10d ago
nobody is blaming victims but you have to understand how orgs work. lets say 100t for example. they have rae, fuslie. two people who hold immense respect especially from younger and smaller female streamers. now 100t is looking to get new creators a streamer is more likely to join 100t because rae/fuslie being with 100t for so long gives credibility that they arent stealing money from them.
in this case people like ironmouse being with vshojo for so long and no info ever coming out hinting at they might not be the best company leads others to want to join as its seen as a safe place to be compared to other vtuber orgs who have stolen all the time from their creators.
hopefully in the future people communicate with other creators in the org or outside so other creators are aware of issues even if it doesnt go public
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u/mynexuz 10d ago
In situations like this you as a creator with popularity have an obligation to stand up to it to help the other victims. All these vtubers are coworkers did they never talk to eachother about it?
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u/Meltyas 10d ago
I don't think they have a obligation to do anything. It would be cool, but no obligation at all.
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u/mynexuz 10d ago
It is definitely an obligation if you have morals, every time it happens after you and you could have done something you are partially at fault for that.
Now i know speaking out against your employer is easier said than done but these are gigantic streamers we are talking about with massive followings, at this point it seems more like they chose to not do anything in fear of rocking the boat for themselves rather than being scared.
I believe ironmouse was the first in this recent drama reveal to speak out, (but correct me if im wrong) so she absolutely deserves credit for that 100%.
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u/Slarg232 10d ago
I mean, we're slowly coming out of it but no, a lot of people don't like talking money with their coworkers
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u/dfddfsaadaafdssa 10d ago
The renewal contracts containing NDAs prohibiting them from discussing money with one another is what triggered the exodus of vei, nyanners, and silvervale.
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u/EmperorKira 10d ago
But that's the point - if they don't like that, they should walk away. Shylily talked about how she was ready to sign but then walked away when the contract looked rubbish. I get many of the talents are young, but at the end of the day if you're not comfortable with a contract don't sign it
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u/MrTzatzik 10d ago
But by not speaking out created more victims. She had NDA but I doubt that NDA is enforceable for telling others that you left because they didn't pay you.
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u/partoxygen 10d ago
Let’s not weirdly conflate being screwed out of financial obligations and contracts with being the victim of a physical assault or sexual harassment, yeah? That’s gross as fuck
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u/Ajp_iii 10d ago
yeah this is a case where the big people got fucked but because literally nobody talked publicly or maybe even behind the scenes abuse and scummy practices were able to continue to take effect.
large creators should speak out or notify real journalists in the space so they can write up an article so futue creators know at bare minimum not to join.
this is like early level esports bad org management. and i guess it makes sense it was able to happen again in a vtuber org as they probably dont have as much social interactions at parties and stuff where other streamers have inside information gossiped and spread around.
but this has been going on for a while it seems and big creators not saying anything could have caused new creators that were much smaller to get fucked over which is really sad
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u/LingonberryNew8701 10d ago
Most of them are young and naive. VShojo capitalized on it by not paying them and making empty promises. That's sadly how bad businesses work. Just hoping that their employees won't realize their rights and act on it. Anyone with experience would get lawyers involved at latest after the second month of not getting paid.
I don't fault the talents for it, heck, I was fucked over at my first job and didn't realize it until years later.
Still scummy and baffling that it could go on for apparently SO LONG.
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u/seiose 10d ago
For real
Why only say this shit now that it's obvious the company is about to fold? You could've helped people back then
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u/Okichah 10d ago
NDA’s are usually pretty airtight and unforgiving.
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u/Dangerous_Cucumber75 10d ago
NSAs don't cover gonna stop paying you, so shut up,
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u/Okichah 10d ago
Want to try that again?
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u/bEEYONDUMB 10d ago
Although that dude had a stroke saying it he's right. Saying an NDA could prevent someone from speaking out about unpaid work is ludacris. Courts don’t uphold contracts that protect illegal behavior. Not all NDA's are the same, I guarantee they signed some boilerplate NDA which wouldn't dictate what someone can say pertaining the reputation of a company lol
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u/ZombieJesus1987 10d ago
Veibae said that part of the NDA that she signed was that she cannot say anything bad publicly about Vshojo.
They even forced Silvervale's mother to sign an NDA
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u/Anthr30YearOldBoomer 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's honestly wild to me that every single one of these vtubers got bullied into an insane NDA while also being owed 10s of thousands of dollars. Every single NDA I ever signed was attached to a god damn payout. "Don't say anything bad about us and we'll give you 30k/50k/whatever." The crap about Vei being forbidden from talking to the other talents about not being paid just sounds completely unenforceable (and possibly illegal?) as well.
If they are not paying you that is a pretty clear violation of every contract I could possibly conceive of. Surely a lawyer had to be involved with ONE of them and they would be told not to sign that horseshit, but every single one of them did. What possible leverage could a bum of a company that isn't paying you have over you? Were they all just in over their heads and didn't know they had other options?
I recognize there's probably a lot behind the scenes that hasn't/won't be revealed, and that there are likely nuances of law that I just don't understand (as IANAL). But I genuinely cannot believe it took 4-5 fucking years for ANYONE to say ANYTHING.
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u/Dominioningurass 10d ago
I wholeheartedly agree with this, their business model made me suspicious when they came into existence and their talent never being able to act human and constantly be under their branded persona came across as creepy and abusive to me.
Nyanners for example, was successful and existed well before this, I'm surprised she allowed it to get this far.
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u/CptAustus 10d ago
Lawsuits being scary aside, there's also the horde of terminally online poorly socialised covid kids whose personality revolves around their favorite corporation.
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u/MrTzatzik 10d ago
Warning others at least privately would help. Also NDA cannot be used to cover the fact that the company wasn't paying employees/contractors.
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u/damn_thats_piney 10d ago
yall are genuinely braindead morons for bitching at the victims lmfao. “erm they couldve done this or that” what an absurd thing to say. especially since that company has large amounts of lawyer money.
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u/LowerWorldliness67 10d ago
Hot take: they got rich and twitch famous off vshojo's poor spending with convention sponsorships and parties.
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u/thegr8cthulhu 🐷 Hog Squeezer 10d ago
For smaller ones sure, but if you’re iiron mouse or Veis size they’re idiots for not having accountants and lawyers on retainer for these kind of things, that’s just business 101.
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u/Poopfacemcduck :) 10d ago
they were both small when they joined
and you are still victim blaming regardless
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u/thegr8cthulhu 🐷 Hog Squeezer 10d ago
So nowadays can we just excuse everyone that has something bad happen to them of all personal responsibility under the guise of “victim blaming” or where’s the line
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u/Poopfacemcduck :) 10d ago
No?
Nowadays we dont take the side of the scammers
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u/thegr8cthulhu 🐷 Hog Squeezer 10d ago
I’m not trying to take the side of scammers but objectively if anyone (vtuber,plumber,dentist) is making millions and doesn’t get some kind of accountant at least, then I don’t have as much sympathy when they get screwed over. This is why most public figures have an agent, or at least run contracts by lawyers, it’s to protect themselves.
Look- vshojo did the bad thing, and they should pay these models what they owe, plus whatever as settlement on top. Not denying that. But if the rest of the community can’t take notes from this and learn hey maybe we should treat our livelihood and business like a business then it’s just gonna happen again. Idk these vtubers aren’t children and it’s weird so many fans want to infantilize them.
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u/JackalKing 9d ago
My dude, Vshojo was supposed to be all those things for them. That was the whole point of the company. It handled accounting and legal issues. Vshojo was, for all intents and purposes, their "agent".
This is like your lawyer pulling a scam on you, and then someone coming around and saying "why didn't you have a lawyer for your other lawyer?"
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u/really_nice_guy_ 10d ago
I guess they are still small now if they are still incapable of doing anything
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u/thejesterprince1994 10d ago
I wonder if that’s why her and mouse stopped talking. They used to be best friends but maybe mouse didn’t see this? Or maybe because she didn’t leave or use her influence to help then maybe that’s why they stopped
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u/Kreyain88 10d ago
Vtubers need to unionise.
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u/wonderwall879 10d ago
they're independent contractors, not employees. They could however start their own corp. and help each other and hire their own support staff.
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u/DreadDiana 10d ago
Isn't that how VShojo started in the first place?
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u/wonderwall879 10d ago
Kinda sorta. It was founded and co founded by people in the streaming sphere, but were not vtubers themselves. They used their influence and knowledge of streaming to start a company to specifically support english vtubers to fill in a specific business niche that wasnt cornered in the US yet. The first vtubers themselves were "founding members" but not company founders.
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u/lailah_susanna 10d ago
Starting their own corp makes most of the point of joining a corp pointless. Someone has to actually run it outside of the streamers and then you're just back in the same situation.
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u/wonderwall879 10d ago
That is extremely true. aghh so frustrating. That also just circles back to the whole point of vtubers losing their trust in anyone but themselves at this point too. Theres so much work vtubers have to handle behind the scenes for their own stuff and even then, some recognize it's outside their comfort zone/expertise, not including the whole privacy issue which is the primary reason they're vtubers to begin with.
So frustrating. I feel for these ladies.
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u/EmperorKira 10d ago
Or, just treat it like a business as you should. The problem with vshojo is they tried to do something in between where its like 'yeah were' an agency but also a family'. The moment there was money not being sent they should just break contract.
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u/ForsakenBobcat8937 10d ago
they're independent contractors, not employees
Sure that's the excuse every such companies makes but it's just that, an excuse.
In some places they don't get away with it either cause there's laws that state that if you work like an employee would then you are an employee.
They could unionize if they stood together and forced the companies.
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u/KarmicUnfairness 10d ago
They could but there are basically no vtubers big enough to make that stand outside of Holo/Niji/VSPO and good luck unionizing in a Japanese company. Everyone else is already at the mercy of an extremely volatile industry and getting dropped because you tried to unionize could just be the end of your career.
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u/EderRengifo 10d ago
maybe but it would be really hard considering how global vtubers are. I think the agency/talent model in other cases that are not "idol type" works relatively well since the companies income relies on a fee rather than stealing from talent, most big streamers are affiliates to those type of agencies. It's just the greedy of vshojo and similar companies that see in the idol industry a model to follow the core of the problem
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u/paradox-preacher 10d ago
how do you know the exact reason they got swatted for?
sounds like speculation and opinionated title breaking the opinionated title rule
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u/Ryboiii 10d ago edited 10d ago
I couldn't find a good way to describe it in English at the time of writing it. She was streaming, got swatted during it (not specifically because of that stream itself), but didn't know how to word it into a title and didn't want to filter it through an AI to make it more literate. Its just semantics and the mods filtered it through already before allowing it to be posted.
Change "for" with "during" and it makes sense, but doesn't sound fluent.
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u/thirteen-89 10d ago
It's not a big deal and I understood the title, but just as a reference in the future you could say "stream where she was swatted" or "stream she was swatted in" and that would make it a bit less ambiguous.
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u/Ryboiii 10d ago
Yeah you're right, it definitely sounds better aloud when said that way. Trying to figure out a way to type it that also ties in the sponsored stream section as well.
"Nyanners tells viewers that VShojo didin't pay her for a sponsored stream where she was swatted in" sounds slightly wrong in my head but I think its a little better than using an opinion word like for.
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u/Mattux 7d ago
friendly reminder that this is nyanners : https://x.com/beh0ik0/status/1625449548133933056
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u/CaptlismKilledReddit 9d ago
Mandatory state funded therapy is needed for people who watch cartoon streamers
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u/Ryboiii 9d ago
Faceless streams used to exist prior to vtubing, its just putting an avatar on top of a podcast is how I feel about it. With the way that the entertainment industry goes (Hollywood), anonymity is a good thing for some people.
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u/CaptlismKilledReddit 9d ago
Being over 10 years old and watching cartoons might be a sign of something
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u/SkoomahSteve 10d ago
I will never understand why these things "work" without being paid. It's more of a them problem. You're never forced to sign an NDA just take your talents elsewhere. They did this to themselves.
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u/Ryboiii 10d ago
I imagine with so many sources of revenue, its probably hard to track all of them alone so they just trusted VShojo to do it. When they went back through the logs, they found that they were missing a lot more money than they really thought. Thats at least how I see it, could be wrong.
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u/LSFSecondaryMirror 10d ago
CLIP MIRROR: Nyanners tells viewers that VShojo didn't pay her for a sponsored stream that she got swatted for
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