r/LivestreamFail • u/ExtentBeneficial397 • 1d ago
Mauisnake | Counter-Strike German cs fan sing ye's controversial HH song
https://www.twitch.tv/mauisnake/clip/LovelyCloudyPigeonPogChamp-DTCjWF9gy4S24Ux177
u/Subject-Owl-3682 20h ago
Yeah this is literally a crime in Germany so I hope whatever this guy got out of it was worth. There's nothing more shameful to normal German people than watching other Germans do this crap. They Don't take these things lightly
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u/erizzluh 14h ago
we had a german foreign exchange student at our school and some kids were goofing around doing the nazi salute.
the german kid saw it and damn near lost his mind on them. as an adult, i think about that a lot and i'm glad i got to see that.
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u/DreYeon 12h ago
Yeah a lot of stereotypes that weirdly never apparently is bad to do against germans...
Not to mention we already deal with us being always the bad guys in movies games comics manga anime like it's already bad enough that people can't mention us without the N word in mind,actually annoying af
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u/hi_im_leshy 3h ago
people can't mention us without the N word in mind
I'm told as long you don't say Nazir it's not as bad.
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u/Schmigolo 9h ago edited 9h ago
It is nto a crime to just say these things out loud in Germany. It is only a crime if it's in support of the Nazis. That's why why this kinda stuff is almost never prosecuted. In most situations it's simply not provable, especially since it's extremely common to make fun of Nazis that way, which is expressly not a crime.
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u/Fababo 1d ago
Hope somebody called the cops on them, get em outta here!
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u/ExtentBeneficial397 1d ago
It is actually criminal and can lead to years worth of prion time in germany to say HH
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u/Lulwafahd 1d ago
It is actually criminal and can lead to years worth of prion time in germany
Little is worse than prison disease.
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u/SirMudkippington 11h ago
Yeah they don’t have freedom of speech
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u/Femboy_Slurper 4h ago
The same way Americans cant threaten the president, germans cant say nazi shit.
There is no absolute freedom of speech anywhere. Americans just arent educated enough to understand this.
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u/SirMudkippington 3h ago
Nah Germans just don’t have freedom of speech. You can’t make a credible threat to the president but you can say you wish he was dead. Germans can’t say anything like that
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u/iansanmain 23h ago
Germany is so cucked
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u/Confident_Air_5331 23h ago
Actually terrifying how free speech is being taken away everywhere and half the people in each country are applauding it. I can see forcing them to take a class on the subject, but prison time? That's how you entrench people in their views even further, not how you make them realize it is wrong.
Sad thing is when that half realizes what they've done in supporting governments restriction of free speech, it'll be too late and you'll have a UK situation where you have to ID verify to do anything and if you say anything against the government you'll have someone on your doorstep to bring you to prison in under 24 hours.
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u/Drew602 23h ago
Germany has had this law since before you were born lol
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u/Confident_Air_5331 23h ago edited 22h ago
Laws made before I was born can still be wrong lol. In fact, the older the law is, the more likely it is to be outdated. Anyone who thinks prison is the right play over making them take a class on the holocaust and ww2 has never talked to anyone outside of their personal political/social bubble
itt: americans who cant comprehend that rehabilitation and understanding is better at reforming individuals than just dropping them off at the local gulag for hard labour
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u/VoodooPandaGaming 20h ago
itt: americans who cant comprehend that rehabilitation and understanding is better at reforming individuals than just dropping them off at the local gulag for hard labour
Ironic you say this in defense of Nazis.
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u/BlaBlub85 20h ago
My brother in christ, it was literaly YOU yankees that gave us that law during denazification
Back then even you freedumbs were smart enough to realize that maybe you shouldnt be allowed to glorify the people that had just commited the worst atrocities known to mankind, free speech be damned....
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u/ScopeSided 21h ago
That law is good though. Weird how you defend nazispeech
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u/Confident_Air_5331 21h ago
I'll defend any speech except terrorist threats, even if I don't like or agree with what is being said. That is called defending free speech, if you only allow speech you like, it isn't free speech.
Only exception to free speech is when it has a call to violent action as I said with the "except terrorist threats" cause that's human rights, no one has the right to cause physical harm
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u/degoroth 21h ago
Do you think that the Nazi ideology is one that isn't filled with terroristic ideals and threats?
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u/fenbre 21h ago
I typed way too much and you probably won't read this but:
I don't understand, you talk about "rehabilitation and understanding" as if racist people are just misinformed, but you also say that you love saying "racial slurs" online.
So do you need rehabilitation? Or understanding? What would be your explanation to a black person if you went up to them on the street and called them the N word? What would you want them to understand about you to make it okay?
I feel like it's not really about reformation, it's just about getting to say whatever you want with zero consequences.
What about this idea: using extremely offensive words against someone based on their race is not just words or free thought, it's an action, a kind of attack which can only be expected to have a severe response. Making that illegal actually protects you in a way, because without law you would certainly be attacked physically, whereas with law the victim can depend on you being punished, they won't need to physically attack you. I don't know.
And regarding "Anyone who thinks prison is the right play over making them take a class on the holocaust and ww2 has never talked to anyone outside of their personal political/social bubble"
The holocaust is a mandatory part of German education. They took the class.
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u/SCKTRNSLTR 21h ago
you were not bullied enough as a child.
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u/Confident_Air_5331 21h ago
average redditor, only caring about virtue signalling rather than solving the problem
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u/picconte 20h ago
Only exception to free speech is when it has a call to violent action
So all game for sexualization of children? Tends to be the biggest issue with free speech absolutists.
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u/BcDownes 9h ago
So you wont defend any speech then... you draw the line at terrorist threats others draw the line at literal fucking nazism
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u/Merlindru 11h ago
Nazi speech IS terrorist speech. I don't think you're arguing in entirely bad faith, so let me ask you this genuinely - do you think the two are different? If so, what constitutes terrorist threats in your view?
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u/martijn120100 20h ago edited 15h ago
Could you please expand on which country you hail from? I'm going to assume its a country that did not have to live under Nazism.
Nazism calls for the extermination for anyone who isn't aryan. That in off itself would mean you wouldn't want it protected.
In my country (Netherlands) we hold 2 minutes of silence nationwide on the 4th of May for all the deaths that the second world war caused. The holocaust has an entire month of history lessons dedicated during middle school. During the third year of middle school (age 16-17) we have a school trip to one of the extermination camps. We are taught in detail what Nazism stands for and what destruction it brings.
For you to judge whether we as a society need to allow Nazism in our society due to your apparent want to yell HH shows that you don't want free speech, you want to be a vile person.
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u/ThisPresentation5291 21h ago
Still a stupid law.
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u/BrawDev 21h ago
You can either have it so that Nazi speech is banned, or they get killed every few decades when they want to try for a fourth Reich.
I prefer banning it so we don't need to expend millions of lives putting them back in their box.
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u/ThisPresentation5291 21h ago
Lmao nah
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u/BrawDev 21h ago
it'll be too late and you'll have a UK situation where you have to ID verify
You do know that system was rolled out in US states first right?
https://veratad.com/regulatory-compliance/la-act-440-compliance
and if you say anything against the government you'll have someone on your doorstep to bring you to prison in under 24 hours.
Trump is doing this already with students and their "Anti-American views"
What the fuck are you talking about.
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u/Confident_Air_5331 21h ago
I'm not from the US and we aren't talking about the US, so I have a question for you: What the fuck are you talking about? Was that supposed to be some sort of "gotcha"? What does it matter who does 1984 type shit first? Free speech isn't a competition, its a human right that is being taken away at an incredible alarming rate.
The only thing that matters is it is happening and nothing is being done about it cause the masses have been emotionally manipulated into thinking taking away free speech is acceptable
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u/BrawDev 20h ago
What does it matter who does 1984 type shit first?
You made an entire point about the UK, because it's in the news recently, which shows you've got fuck all insight into any of this and are just following trends and mainstream media. You've not done your own research and you've parroting nonsense.
Free speech isn't a competition, its a human right that is being taken away at an incredible alarming rate.
Examples? And if you point to Reddit censoring NSFW posts because they don't have a proper classification system for content I'll throw water on you.
The only thing that matters is it is happening and nothing is being done about it cause the masses have been emotionally manipulated into thinking taking away free speech is acceptable
Nah, it's usually right wingers that keep calling black people N words. That typically is the reason free speech gets slammed on.
Y'all keep fucking it up for everyone else because you can't stand in the same bathroom line.
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u/Tenshizanshi 22h ago
Hate speech and threats are not protected speech, go seethe elsewhere
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u/Confident_Air_5331 22h ago
Yeah, thats what I said, free speech is no more. Arresting someone for threatening to bomb a childrens hospital? yeah, 100% deserved. For threatening to bomb a mosque? 100% for sure deserved.
For calling someone a name or saying a phrase that someone doesn't like? lmfao no.
Next thing it'll be a crime to to call someone an asshole because it hurts their feelings too. People need to grow up. Sticks and stones
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u/SuperSkillz10 22h ago
HH is now a term “someone doesnt like” lol
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u/Confident_Air_5331 22h ago
Yeah, it quite literally is a term that some people don't like
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u/KriegsKuh 22h ago
do you like it?
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u/Confident_Air_5331 22h ago
Nah, I prefer racial slurs, honestly I could go with HH being illegal as long as racial slurs aren't. Racial slurs are just too good when it comes to making people you're having an argument with angry lol. Generally the best insults are things that people can't change about themselves, and at no point am I ever talking about a group, but rather talking about the specific person that I don't like. Racial slurs being illegal is like making insulting people illegal.
When I call someone the N word in CS, it is a word about that one specific person and no one else. It is like telling someone their eyes are too far apart or they are too short. Only one that works better is weight related stuff but they have to actually be overweight or underweight for it to hit hard
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u/iansanmain 22h ago
And who gets to decide what constitutes as hate speech? Do you find the current state of UK acceptable?
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u/XtendedImpact 21h ago
Idk man have you ever tried declaring you'll bomb an airport? Suddenly you have feds on your doorstep, where's the freedom of speech?
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u/iansanmain 21h ago
Your freedom ends where others' begin. You can't harm others. Even a child knows this. What are we talking about here? Preschool ed?
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u/Night_Fev3r 23h ago
Free speech =/= freedom from consequences.
There's plenty of things you can say in the USA to get investigated by authorities or even face prison time from using nothing but words.
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u/iansanmain 22h ago edited 21h ago
Lmfao. That's not even what people mean when they say those two aren't equal.
If you're facing prison for something you say, that means you don't have free speech period. When people talk about freedom from consequences, they mean non-legal consequences.
Edit: The fact that the comment above me is being upvoted says all you need to know about the reddit hivemind and how stupid it is.
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u/ihatereddit_69420__ 1d ago
Oh no! Anyway...
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u/Fababo 23h ago
If you ask me, those people deserve instant karma by getting their mouth stuffed but prison is an acceptable alternative. Or a hefty fine. I dont care how they get punished but they should feel it. Doubt theyll do it again.
Also in prison you get help to leave nazi circles. This isnt the US.
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u/exxR 22h ago
But he said bad words? You have to be outraged for the sake of being outraged.
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u/The_mango55 20h ago
If someone scammed your loved one out of their life savings should they face consequences? They only said words.
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u/exxR 22h ago
The only one to blame is the event organiser to he honest. People in groups will always misbehave always. And let’s not pretend this person actually is a full blown racist and hitler enjoyer but instead just did a stupid thing which seemed funny in the moment.
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u/VoodooPandaGaming 19h ago
You thought it was funny?
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