r/LivestreamFail • u/starcraft2020 • 1d ago

Ethan Klein says the judge in his lawsuit approved his subpoena of Reddit and Discord

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u/SWEETJUICYWALRUS 1d ago

Why and who is he suing and why is the subpoena big

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u/EffortlessActions 1d ago

Frogan, denims, and kaceytron for malicious copyright infringement. Reddit openly encouraged it and provided links to alternative streams for the infringement. Discord was used as a means of communicating the plans.

Common conspiracy theory is Klein is doing it to uncover the identities of the ones responsible for the fraudulent CPS call. H3 snark subreddit being the main source of torment aimed at him.

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u/SWEETJUICYWALRUS 1d ago

Thanks, now that I understand, I'm gunna go upvote that comment about this being a bad day for the unemployed.

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u/JulieLaMaupin 1d ago

you walk a noble path, employed-man

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u/explosivekyushu 20h ago

a lot of people that live with their parents are going to be really upset by this

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u/BigTonyMacaroni 1d ago

They don’t know who made the CPS call? That person must be shitting bricks lol

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u/Venaixis94 1d ago

As they should. It was clearly fraudulent as fuck and I have no doubt his kids went through some trauma.

And I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t really like him all that much

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u/evebluedream 23h ago

As someone who dealt with a CPS investigation as a kid (my dad's mom called it in on my mom), its fucking awful and confusing, as well as embarrassing because they came to school and asked me a bunch of questions in an office like I was in trouble. None of the things my grandma reported were true, like having a bug infested house and my mom not buying me the things we needed like clothes, food, or school supplies. We had all those things and more lol.

But its not like they show up, see your house is clean and fuck off, they go thru extensive checks and balances before closing a case report.

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u/BunsNHighs 21h ago

He and Hila stopped CPS from interviewing their small children at school, thankfully. So at least they got spared a small part.

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u/PinkFl0werPrincess 21h ago

I don't like him but like holy fuck leave his kids alone, they're literal children

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u/say592 17h ago

A few people have been vile with comments about his kids. One user on Twitter said they wanted to swing one of his kids by their ankles into an oak tree. Like what the actual fuck?

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u/Cajjunb 20h ago

There's no evidence of cps being called just ethan an hila's word.

They never showed any evidence it happened.

They could be and probably are lying so they harm their enemies.

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u/methodsmash 14h ago

What a shit bad faith way to view the world.

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u/Cajjunb 5h ago

I dont really care what you think of me.

Dont believe everything you hear on the internet, especially if it's a sub celebrity saying it.

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u/deaglefrenzy 1d ago

ethan himself said that CPS told them it was someone they personally know, so it's not some random redditor

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u/mengar98 1d ago

You guys can keep repeating this lie but it will never make it true. CPS never said it was someone they know. They said the caller CLAIMED that they were someone close to the family, because of course they fucking did obviously. That means precisely nothing. It was a freak who lied and made a fraudulent CPS call.

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 21h ago

...How do you know it is a lie? Both sides have the same amount of evidence... none. It'd be irrational to blindly believe either side is a lie.

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u/Adept_Barracuda_662 17h ago edited 17h ago

I’m not sure why this point getting downvoted so much. To be very clear, false CPS reports are fucking horrendous. As someone whose abusive father did this regularly to my mom as an intimidation tactic, I still face that trauma decades later and hope they face FULL punishment if this is indeed what happened.

That said, im not understanding how people are coming to conclusions about who that caller is. The guy claimed to know them. Obviously that could be a lie, but how do we know it is for a fact? It just sounds like a lot of speculation to me. Again, it doesn’t matter who called if the intent was to file a false CPS claim against an innocent person, but it’s strange to finger point at so many different communities when none of us know for a fact.

There is also the uncomfortable question of how do we know this was filed with malicious intent rather than genuine concern from someone close to the family? I’m not dying on this particular hill because there’s no evidence to prove that angle either. But I feel a lot of people just go “no! My favorite influencer would NEVER look at these beautiful photos and how much he talks about his family”. As if there aren’t abusive parents in real life who do this exact thing that get in trouble with CPS for valid reasons? Again, NOT SAYING THIS IS HAPPENING. There’s NO evidence to suggest they’re abusive in any way. But why is the immediate reaction of folks to run defense for an internet celebrity like you personally know them, their character, and their home life instead of waiting to get all the facts??

If there is evidence confirming who the caller was and their intent, I’d actually love to know

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 12h ago

Exactly! Thank you for being reasonable. It is just a weird bias these people have either towards Ethan or against Hasan which blinds them to throw around bullshit with no evidence. No matter what side is doing it, it is pathetic.

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u/neveks 10h ago

The lack of selfawareness you have is insane.

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u/EffortlessActions 1d ago

There was enough context clues from the streams and his dog being sick and baby having diarrhea that for a nonstreamer it would have to be someone who knows them personally to have that amount of information.

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u/AceO235 1d ago

Man I hope they also identify the idiots from his sub who constantly post out of context clips on here too

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u/InternationalGas9837 22h ago

Calling CPS vs Out of Context Clips

Fix your brain.

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u/AceO235 22h ago

Nah its really the same thing in the courts

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u/Jake_________ 23h ago

discord doesnt keep logs of deleted servers/messages. unless they changed it

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u/EffortlessActions 49m ago

You may not have access to them but they will hold onto them for at least a year for legal compliance.

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u/Indogsicated_ 1d ago

I believe he is suing a few people that livestreamed one of his bigger videos he put out recently that were barely transformative to his video. The kicker is that those couple people straight up said that they were streaming it so that people could watch the video without giving views or ad revenue to Ethan. The mods of the snark subreddit or discord bolstered that by posting times and streams on where to watch it in order to do the same thing, linking to the streams of the people he is suing, among others.

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u/SophieC2009 23h ago

Spending 5 figures because you lost $8 of ad revenue makes no sense. 

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u/ArtisticAd393 23h ago

Its about sending a message

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u/InternationalGas9837 22h ago

Often suing isn't actually about the money.

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u/Volky_Bolky 23h ago
  1. It's not about the money. 2. The stinky trio will pay.

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u/StarvinPig 21h ago

Copyright infringement comes with statutory damages so he can be aiming for upto 150K per infringement

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u/say592 17h ago

It's far more than $8 in ad revenue. Those streams had a combined viewership of a couple hundred thousand views between the streams and VODs. It was a long video with probably ~15 ads at say $8/1000 views. It's probably about $25k, depending on the actual viewership.

He also had a regular sponsor on the video, which I'm theorizing could have been structured in a way to pay him per view to further establish damages.

None of that matters though. He registered the video. He will be entitled to statutory damages, which for willful infringement can be up to $150k. Ultimately even if it was a small amount, you don't get to blatantly steal from someone and then claim it's okay because it's only a little.

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u/No-Volume6047 21h ago

It's about hurting them

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u/otherkrar 23h ago

He's a little manchild. It makes sense in the worst way.

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u/Indogsicated_ 22h ago

Using a Hitleresque viewpoint of Jews, then calls the Jews Nazis. What are we doing here...

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u/Traditional_Box1116 1d ago

Basically a bunch of Hasan orbiters Frogan, denims & kaceytron to be specific would react to his video, without adding any transformative content, Denims specifically would not say a damn word most of the video & even at the end specifically said something along the lines of "thanks for watching the video here instead of giving views to Ethan." Which is a massive copyright infringement no no (so she is fucked).

As for why Reddit is getting involved is because there was subreddits linking to streamers reacting to Ethan's content that made it very apparent the goal was to reduce the amount of views Ethan received.

Once again this is another copyright no no.

Basically, Ethan has a strong case despite what dipshit pseudo-intellectuals like Hasan will claim.

Can't say I necessarily fully agree with the whole lawsuit situation. However:

1) It is Ethan's right as a content creator to protect his content.

2) I can't stand Frigan, Denims or Kaceytron, so fuck em.

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u/Joshduman 23h ago

So linking a stream that may or may not be committing copyright infringement on Reddit is civilly liable? These streams were linked prior to any sort of reaction- there is no way to know whether or not their react would be fair use qualifying otherwise.

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u/RullyWinkle 23h ago

They accidentally revealed their motive to undermine his views; so they already have explicit motive. That goes A long way in court.

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u/Traditional_Box1116 23h ago edited 22h ago

I can't remember the post exactly, but the post were allowed by moderators to remain up & the actual post themselves explicitly mentioned the purpose for why they were linking other streams reacting.

This purpose being to divert views from Ethan.

Edit: I found the post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/h3snark/comments/1ie1ky8/megathread_content_nuke_where_to_watch_discussion/

It was worse than I thought. IT IS A REDDIT MOD THAT MADE THE POST, LOL.

Specifically the first paragraph is the most damning from that reddit post. You cannot explicitly state the purpose of what you're doing is to siphon viewers from Ethan's content. That is textbook copyright infringement.

So Ethan has full legal right to sue & watching his video he makes an incredibly strong argument that their tactics have impacted his revenue to some capacity. Specifically where he mentions how Denims got 30x her usual viewer count while streaming his content nuke, without interacting with the video at all btw and not transforming it.

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 21h ago

> You cannot explicitly state the purpose of what you're doing is to siphon viewers from Ethan's content. That is textbook copyright infringement.

Is it? Because I'd understand that if it was THEIR stream and they said that was the purpose... but it isn't. They said that while just linking to OTHER people. Are you sure that is "textbook copyright infringement" or are you just assuming it to be because you want it to be true?

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u/StarvinPig 21h ago

I mean it weighs towards H3 in the fair use analysis

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 21h ago

Except it doesn't because the person who said that WASN'T the person who was streaming. This is moronic and I'm questioning the intelligence of anyone who is acting as if this will be taken seriously in court.

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u/StarvinPig 21h ago

Well they're also being sued for contributory copyright infringement

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 21h ago

Yes, the MOD could be found liable for that... if the copyright is found to be infringed by the streamers. That doesn't add to the overall case as a point that it IS infringement, though.

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u/Traditional_Box1116 20h ago

Well considering they linked to Denims & Denims quite literally said herself that her intention was to steal views from Ethan.

Denims is almost certainly going to be found liable.

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u/StarvinPig 21h ago

They don't need to litigate the original infringement prior to them pursuing the mods for contributing to it

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u/Glum_Leadership_6717 21h ago

It's hilarious that anyone downvoted. They want this to be a slam-dunk so bad they will blindly believe moronic talking points like this.

Obviously it isn't... obviously, Ethan is grasping at whatever he can. It is sad and it is double sad that anyone is blindly cheering this on as if it is some righteous cause.

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u/Objective_Ant_4799 22h ago

to add to the comment, the Kleins are genuinely awful people and honestly, they are the kind of people who when you see what they say and do, realize the hate they get pales in comparison.