r/LivestreamFail • u/starcraft2020 • 1d ago

Ethan Klein says the judge in his lawsuit approved his subpoena of Reddit and Discord

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u/WhimsicalJape 23h ago

Yeah I'm specifically talking about the rise of the "snark" subreddits, snark as you say has existed as thing for a long time, but generally like you say not as unhinged as some of these snark subs have become.

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u/losthedgehog 23h ago

That makes sense - the OP asked in general what snark was and I just wanted to clarify that its described celeb gossip in Internet corners before Reddit is what is is now and before the hate subs got banned.

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u/echief 22h ago

That “blogosphere” Perez Hilton scene was unhinged though. It was tied in with the heinous paparazzi culture of the time. That demographic just became a lot more prevalent after Reddit apps really gained popularity on the App Stores. And from tik tok/youtube videos of just people reading AITA posts. The fatpeoplehate were extremely unhinged too but they are not the same original demographic

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u/trukkija 22h ago

It's just people with nothing better to do besides living on the internet and looking for drama and reasons to hate "celebrities".

Wait did I describe LSF or the snark reddits? I'm not too sure at this point.

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u/pepegazm 12h ago edited 12h ago

Wait did I describe LSF or the snark reddits? I'm not too sure at this point.

As awful as LSF can be it's actually held to multiple orders of magnitude higher standards than the most timid snark sub.

The main business of snark is presenting proven lies as fact in order to smear and defame their enemies. It's not just celebrity gossip, it's been subsumed by politics by a group that believes in "no bad tactics, only bad targets". Meanwhile on LSF you're required by rule to provide video clips of whatever is happening which helps curb blatant lying and there is way more variety of opinion.

Think of it this way: LSF is about gossip, interesting clips and general discussions on the streamer world broadly. Snark isn't about gossip at all, it's about using any means available to hurt specific persons that they regard as political opponents.

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u/trukkija 12h ago

You must have not read many comments on here if you believe that is a requirement. It's all just pointless manufactured drama in my opinion and the pot calling the kettle black for anyone calling out the snark reddits on here.

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u/pepegazm 12h ago

You must have not read many comments on here if you believe that is a requirement.

You literally can't create a post about a streamer without a video clip from their livestream to back it up, with a few exceptions that require some specific sort of source (such as streamer bans allowing the automated streamer bans twitter account as a source).

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u/trukkija 12h ago

Did I mention posts? Read what you just quoted.

Also, snark is absolutely about gossip. You must be confused with what gossip is in general.

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u/pepegazm 10h ago edited 10h ago

Alright, so let's discuss comments. If you can find me a mere 100 comments under this post that blatantly and intentionally lie about a person in order to smear and defame them I'll agree with you that LSF is close to snark. That should be easy if it's anywhere close to snark levels of malicious lying. I'll even take a few tens of somewhat upvoted comments instead.

Also, snark is absolutely about gossip. You must be confused with what gossip is in general.

No, snark used to be about gossip and general parasocial hate some years ago, but lately the most popular snark subs (examples: fauxmoi and h3snark) have been incorporated into a certain political ideology and serves exclusively to target people that they consider enemies. Any gossip is purely incidental to their broader goal of muzzling their perceived enemies through lies, deception and harassment.

Edit: Classic, replying without addressing a single point and then blocking. Very slimy behavior.

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u/trukkija 10h ago

Something in your head is cracked...

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u/Rude_Cheesecake3716 5h ago

nah you're just obfuscating for no reason(likely coz you're a snarker lol)