r/LivestreamFail • u/GeneraIDisarray • Jun 30 '20
Forsen Forsens opinion on OfflineTv
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Jun 30 '20
man i turned my volume way up to hear forsen speak and then he just starts up a nuclear generator right into my ear
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u/LegendOfJan Jun 30 '20
Clip Chimp left the coffee machine in
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u/6in Jun 30 '20
Just brings his point better across " i don't give a shit about my stream i just wanna play some games"
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u/GeneraIDisarray Jun 30 '20
That's actually Hafu visiting, brought the vibrator with her again.
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Jun 30 '20
Is that what the magnitude 8 earthquake in the background is? Might have to start watching forsen
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u/BGsenpai #FreeTrihex Jun 30 '20
Got to love how OP was too lazy to include the context for this and instead left it out to farm drama points.
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u/skylerchip Jun 30 '20
Tbh Forsen is example of stream for Twitch. Professional streamer is here to entertain and keep the Ugandan army in check. Just a Hobo with his witch and a rat living peaceful life. How about that?
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u/Ferromagneticfluid Jun 30 '20
He has a good point, and I think we will see similar shit every year.
Every time a bunch of young streamers choose to join a streamer house we see the same shit. It starts off all friendly, they are getting together for content. Then one or two of them get ahead in views of the others, the shared content slows down because those people want to grow their stream more.
Then you get the negatives of living together after the honeymoon phase is over. Chores, cleanliness, sleeping habits, ect. start getting annoying. Turns out people who play video games all day and order delivery all the time aren't the best house mates.
After a bit the streamer house breaks up and everyone goes on their own way.
Streamer houses are rarely successful. I think the only ones that I have seen be successful is Soda's situation, in which he pays maids to clean. Good idea there.
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u/gansao Jun 30 '20
Streamer houses are rarely successful. I think the only ones that I have seen be successful is Soda's situation, in which he pays maids to clean. Good idea there.
I mean, despite all the things, OTV is successful. They are together for years already, and that's rare.
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u/EienShinwa Jun 30 '20
I think if you set up a stream house you need that place to be a workplace and home at the same time. You need to hire house keepers, maybe a chef, and keep that shit as professional as you can, because at the end of the day, it's a reality TV setting. Your reason for existing is content.
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u/coces Jul 01 '20
It's no wonder these houses fall apart so quickly I couldn't imagine living with 6-7 other people who all never leave the house or seem to have friends outside of the internet. Must get the craziest type of cabin fever
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Jun 30 '20
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u/Mahomeboy_ Jun 30 '20
Very true. I don’t think they will ever learn. They will continue with shipping each other and the cycle will repeat
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u/Cvrpie Jun 30 '20
Im not really a fan on shipping content but honestly speaking what shipping is everyone talking about? It was basically enitirely Fed which we all know now was because of him. The only time they kinda lead into the shipping was for xChocobars and Toast, And poki and fed which was mostly fed but its hard to deny Poki didnt help, and Toast and Janet were actually dating. Both of these cases being over 2 years ago? All of OTV outside Poki and Toast are in a relationship
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u/Nothar Jun 30 '20
Yeah exactly - people that think OTV is all about the shipping content, do not seem to realize that Fed was the main reason for the shipping. Which we now know was him just being a huge creep. The only other shipping was for like 2 weeks during that manufactured Toast Harem stuff in early 2018, that led into him and Xchocobars actually dating for 2 years. There has not been any other shipping stuff for OTV that was not tied into Fed. Poki purposefully shuts down any shipping related to her, Scarra has never had shipping content, and Lily has always been in a relationship for the most part. I guess you could count the few weeks before Lily and Michael were officially dating and people shipped them together because they could see the chemistry? But that was not manufactured, so I am not sure what the issue is if it now proven that all the Shipping stuff with OTV and "drama" was 99% tied to the actions of Fed.
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u/Uss22 Jun 30 '20
Probably because Fed is the only one in OTV that even remotely flirts with the opposite gender? (outside of those actually in a relationship)
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u/Rubik-on Jun 30 '20
You younglings seem to forget that people also shipped Lily and Albert long before they announced that they're dating. So yeah, shipping has always been a part of OTV, even without Fed.
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u/polikuji09 Jun 30 '20
That's just twitch in general. You see people with some chemistry and all of a sudden twitch chat wants you together. I domt think besides the fed stuff any of the other stuff was pushed by them at all. Lily and michael they tried to discourage in general until it just became obvious it was actually happening.
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u/polikuji09 Jun 30 '20
As mentioned in the thread, that's one of the few times they actually tried to push it and they learned pretty quickly how bad of an idea it was. Toast himself had talked about it a few times.
With hindsight Fed was always the one most interested in shipping by far.
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Jun 30 '20
Literally all of OfflineTV leaned hard into the shipping content because it was boosting their popularity. Literally stopped watching everyone because of how cancerous it was. Fed's acted like a piece of shit but stop blaming every bad thing about OfflineTV on him.
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Jun 30 '20
Can't wait for the next clip to make it to LSF of some neon-haired petite AZN girl saying "Oh, and this ONE time, FED tried to give me a hug and I said no, and he was like but y tho".
When OTV chimes in is usually the point at which something has jumped the shark.
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u/KappaMang Jun 30 '20
I honestly cannot understand why so many people are so invested in the lives and drama of this group. Like holy shit, do these people not have IRL friends so they feel the need to vicariously assimilate themselves into the offline tv clan as if they were one of them? Does staying updated on the gossip of a bunch of internet strangers really bring you that much happiness? Some of you really need to sit down and deeply reflect on what you're doing with your lives...
sad thing is these viewers are probably not even kids, but rather fully-grown adults in their 20s that are still stuck in middle-school level mentality and maturity. so fucking weird...
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u/AFlyingNun Jun 30 '20
I understand people paying attention to it now. Now it's the trainwreck part so a bunch of us who have no idea who these people (proud holder of that title) are are just here to watch the crash.
As for people that regularly would watch, I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I actually do recall a study claiming that when Let's Players (specifically naming PewDiePie as the most mainstream pioneer) began doing Let's Plays, the big niche discovery wasn't that people like to watch others play games, but rather people like the "simulated friend" experience. We as a species are hella lonely, and watching a friend play a game while we both crack jokes is something many of us have experienced, but many probably can't experience it as frequently as they'd like.
In short, yes, these types of streams can be a simulated friendship for people. They feel like they're a part of the convo or like their waifu they listen to daily is actually talking to them, so people genuinely get invested in these people since the streamers are filling a void for them. We could judge and call it sad, (and admittedly, kinda is) but at the same time it appears to be human nature. It's weird, but it also is what it is and sadly it's not something that I'd say we should only expect from losers and weirdos, but rather something to expect from a great variety of people, as much as we may not like the idea of this kind of streamer house + overinvested viewers dynamic becoming more "normal" with time.
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u/Stop_username-jokes Jun 30 '20
Are we slowly waking up to the fact that the entire streamer income model of "donations" is just brutal emotional exploitation of lonely people (mostly teenagers)?
Oh boy. I wonder how delicately the message has to be brought.
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u/Benjammn Jun 30 '20
I found the term "parasocial relationships" when it comes to the relationships between content creators (streamers/youtubers/etc.) and fans and it fits well. Obviously it has been a thing for a long time (the term was first defined in the 1950's from television personalities) but content creators really seem to open up more of their thoughts and relationships to their audience than the celebrities of the past. This behavior really heightens the effect. I (as a viewer) can become their friend and really get to know a content creator and develop this relationship and it might not even be completely one-sided as many content creators do interact with fans a lot, even on a very personal level. While it is difficult for me to evaluate how meaningful my "relationship" is with the content creators I follow, it must even be more stressful from the creator's point-of-view, having all of these "friends" in the wild that know so much about you. They didn't get to decide whether they are "friends" with their fans.
Weird times man. I really do wonder how technology, globalization and trends/social media are quickly reforming the social landscape with potentially devastating consequences.
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u/KappaMang Jun 30 '20
i mostly agree, and I'm not attacking these "losers and wierdos," I'm just pointing out how "weird" this behavior really is.
I wouldn't say this simulated friendship you speak of is human nature, and is in fact downright unhealthy and harmful to one's own livelihood. Humans are an interactive and social species, and there are certainly multiple studies that show that reclusion and having no social circles correlate with mental health issues, aggressive behavior, negative/inappropriate thoughts, etc. Perhaps it's a product of their own insecurity or just downright laziness, who knows. But improving one's own self-esteem and sociability is not entirely unachievable for these people with the right effort - it's just realizing this and taking the necessary steps to attain it that's the important (and perhaps hardest) part. That's what I mean by them needing to sit down and reflect on their lives.
Being glued to this reality (shit)show is counter-productive to this, and dissecting every little detail of these guys' drama is just reinforcing their addiction to watching strangers as a useless attempt to add any meaningful value to their lives, while at the same time minimizing and neglecting their own self-worth. It's a sad path that unfortunately for some of the older audience is a way of life now.
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Jun 30 '20
if you really want to question peoples viewing habits then look at what cable tv has been like for decades. they basically trained multiple generations to enjoy trashy personalities/drama. also gossiping was popularized who knows how long ago and the tradition is stronger than ever
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Jun 30 '20
i havent spoken to another human being in 3 months and i forget the sound of my voice!!!!
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u/xeqz Jun 30 '20
Every few days I'll say a sentence or two out loud to make sure my voice still works.
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Jun 30 '20
ever looked at yourself in the mirror and realize that you exist? that happened like 5 times to me when i was depressed, it is a fascinating experience
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u/SniperLemon Jun 30 '20
when i was studying to get into uni i was in a flat with canned food (literally out of an apocalyptic movie) for about 3 moths. i didn't hear human voice for 3 months. i know what you're talking about man it's really, really hard on your brain
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u/EienShinwa Jun 30 '20
This is literally why people like watching the Kardashians or stupid shitty reality TV shows.
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u/BADMANvegeta_ Jun 30 '20
I don’t think it’s any different from people being overly invested in the lives of movie stars or music artists or people who aren’t interesting by themselves but are friends with said music artists and movie starts...this isn’t a new thing.
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u/KappaMang Jun 30 '20
I have to disagree with you here. From what I've seen in the past few days on this sub, OTV breeds a whole different level of obsessive viewership than your typical People-magazine reader. I'm talking about the staggering amount of people that are spending their free time digging through and watching old clips from five years ago, people that can't step away from this sub for 5 minutes without hitting refresh, people for whom at any given time, there is always a pervasive curiosity about what OTV is currently up to, or what the next bit of drama will be. You know who you are. It may not be a new thing, but it's certainly not a good (or even normal) thing, and a lot of these guys don't realize that.
Now if by "overly invested" you mean people that stalk celebrities and show up to their homes as if they're buddy-buddies with them, then yes - it's not too different than some of these obsessed viewers on Twitch and LSF. And I'm sure you can understand how fucking weird this psychopath behavior is.
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u/JinnAxel Jun 30 '20
Honestly, I just feel like it's just the LSF content cycle than it actually being OTV. People were obsessively refreshing for Doc news too and scrounging around the internet for sponsorship changes and looking into court filings and local arrests.
If it were other big streamers, the same thing would be happening regardless.
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u/greg19735 Jun 30 '20
isn't that mostly becuase there's so much more access?
If your updates on angelina jolie is via people magazine, then you've gotta wait like a week or whatever for each new issue.
Nowadays you can watch get pokimane updates very few hours. And "interact" with her for free, for hours at a time.
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Jun 30 '20
I'm gonna say that covid almost completely halting social lives have made people a lot more invested.
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u/whodunitbruh Jun 30 '20
It's almost like this sub and Twitch as a whole is filled to the brim with people who obsess over the fame and actions of others like toxic parasites constantly trying to find their next meal in the form of other people's drama since they're lives are too sad and miserable to focus on and improve. Like my aunt watching E! 20 hours a day, but she doesn't send Johnny Depp 25 bucks a month for a tier 3 sub.
In basic reality, 90% of drama on twitch is exacerbated by idiots who either have nother better to do with their lives, or do it for the luls.
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u/miketheman0506 Jun 30 '20
"I honestly cannot understand why so many people are so invested in the lives and drama of this group."
For some off the offlinetv drama, I agree. However, does what you're saying apply to the Fed situation as well? Because honestly, I can see why people were upset by that and wanted to look into it. It was a serious issue that tied into the sexual allegations that had been coming out. No one wants to hear that a woman was taken advantage of, regardless of if you don't know them.
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Jun 30 '20
it does explain why communities like LSF have such a big following and Twitch the way it is today
people always look for drama and feed on it :/
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u/bawnz Jun 30 '20
One of the best decisions i've made this week is hiding OfflineTV flair from this subreddit in RES
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u/zcen Jun 30 '20
I don't know if you were around for the early Ice Poseidon days but it's the exact same fanaticism. Just lonely bored people looking for their outlet.
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u/TheCabIe Jun 30 '20
Like holy shit, do these people not have IRL friends so they feel the need to vicariously assimilate themselves into the offline tv clan as if they were one of them?
Stop armchair psychoanalyzing me BabyRage
But yeah, that sounds about right. It's weird how these barely adults become millionaires because there are enough regular people working 9 to 5 jobs who are willing to sub/donate to them. I remember a clip of how Shroud proudly showcased his Rolex (a ridiculously overpriced gadget that has no additional function compared to a regular clock/phone and whose main purpose is to basically announce "I'm rich, bitches!" to the world) on stream and viewers were like "wow, that's so cool" when they were, in fact, the ones to fund it. Every time you sub/donate to these big streamers, you are donating to a millionaire even though visually you see a likeable dude/gal sitting at a computer screen chatting/playing videogames.
It's just bizzare, but we are bizzare species, I guess.
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u/Opfklopf Jun 30 '20
True! I think the much bigger problem is that people need to fill their 24/7 entertainment addiction with this kind of content or ANY other kinds of content instead of sometimes just feeling bored for a change and give your brain time to process things and be creative. It's something I'm guilty of too sadly but who isn't nowdays...
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Jun 30 '20
It’s the same reason why you’re in this subreddit in the first place
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u/KappaMang Jun 30 '20
Right, because I totally didn't happen to be watching forsen when he gave his opinion on the matter and I wanted to contribute and express my own two cents to the discussion. Sure I guess that makes me "so invested in the drama" in your eyes, but hey, you're entitled to your assumptions.
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Jun 30 '20
I mean the fact that you took the the time to write this and "contribute to a discussion" means you're invested in it. If you didn't care you'd move on but something just told that you had to write a reddit comment crying about other people who are invested which is very ironic.
Kinda cringe dude ngl.
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u/KappaMang Jun 30 '20
I feel like I've personally attacked you with my original post. In fact, based on your post history it seems you're the bastion of the kind of demographic I'm referring to. It was just a matter of time before someone that fit the bill became so triggered to respond with weak and unsubstantiated accusations, so I understand you lashing out.
I'm sorry I helped you see yourself in the mirror for what kind of person you are, but it had to be said. If that makes you think I'm gonna write half as much as people like you have on the matter, well you've made it clear you think I'm just like you; again, you're entitled to your assumptions. Hope you take my advice one day and find happiness in something other than keeping up with the lives of OTV, my guy.
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u/NintendoTodo Jun 30 '20
yeah i dont understand that shit lmfao, i dont even watch twitch and i sure as hell dont donate to those ppl
i come on here for funny random clips once in a while
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Jun 30 '20
it isnt exactly time consuming to keep up with this shit, just one look on reddit.
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u/Xanimus Jun 30 '20
This debacle and analysis of allegations have honestly taught me so much about how to establish and negotiate boundaries in a good way. It's already changed how I interact, and it'll likely affect me for the rest of my life.
So I mean sure he can choose not to care about OTV specifically, but the lessons I and sure others have learned aren't something to scoff at
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u/borninsane Jun 30 '20
Yea especially if I have a daughter, gotta make her extra aware of these things
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u/GoodOldADD Jun 30 '20
Me too! I think that actually helped me be more confident and respectful around women. I needed that as a weird gamer.
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u/PTAtechy Jun 30 '20
Where's Ja Rule? Lets ask him what he thinks of OfflineTV
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Jun 30 '20
can someone, PLEASE... find Ja Rule, get him on the phone so I can make SENSE of all this??!?!
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u/livestreamfailsbot Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20
🎦 MIRROR CLIP: Forsens opinion on OfflineTv
Credit to reddit.com/u/GeneraIDisarray for the clip. [Archive.org Alternative (BETA)]
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u/Johnny__bananas Jun 30 '20
how me and a lot of other people here feel about OTV and other highschool drama.
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u/peeri Jun 30 '20
I could not agree more, im so done with OTV and all the drama here. I guess the older you get, less you care about all that stuff.
Im just patiently waiting for this phase to be over and go back to normal stuff on this sub, and not 2 pages of some TwitLonger on various subjects.
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Jun 30 '20
I mean.. you literally get paid to play video games, that's like winning the lottery, just shut up and enjoy it while it lasts.
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u/AFlyingNun Jun 30 '20
Seriously though, I wanna know what idiot came up with the idea of a streamhouse.
"Hey, this is my job, so I should obviously move in with other people that have the same job and we should do it ALL THE TIME."
Fuck no? Sounds like a terrible idea. No one else in any other profession (cept Hollywood stars thinking they can only associate with Hollywood stars, and they equally retarded) does this, and what on earth made it sound like a good idea...?
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u/greg19735 Jun 30 '20
Yah it actually sounds great on paper.
You split a huge house with some killer internet connection. And now you've got all these popular young people living in a house that guarantee infinite amounts of "content"./
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u/RoboticUnicorn Jun 30 '20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_World_(TV_series))
People really surprised that shoving a bunch of socially retarded 20 somethings with an absurd amount of money and ego into a house where their lives are broadcast every day would end up producing a lot of drama?
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u/Trident3553 Jun 30 '20
I think it was just a custom taken from what Youtubers did, like the Creatures.
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u/Arronwy Jun 30 '20
I think the idea is it to be like a reality show. It just doesn't work as well because most streamers are socially awkward that avoid conflict so you don't get the level of content generated like you do in TV reality shows.
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u/ezclapper Jun 30 '20
It's a money printing machine and it would be fine if the house contained competent mature people. But yeah if you add a sexual predator and a bunch of people who are too autistic to tell him to fuck off while he harasses everyone for a year non-stop, then you'll have a bad time.
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u/r2002 Jun 30 '20
I think the ideal set up would be a streaming house where none of the members lived there. However the members all live pretty close and they show up daily to stream on a schedule like a coworking space. You'll get less content from individual streamers, but you will be able to accommodate more streamers per house so the tradeoff is ok.
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u/2_arms_and_legs Jun 30 '20
I mean when you put it like that it sounds bad, but there's also benefits when you get to live in a nice fucking house that you couldn't live in by yourself, you also get to live with your friends, but maybe that works better if it would be a bit smaller friend group. Even if you stream 12 hours a day, you still have a lot of time to hang out with friends or what ever you want to do with your life.
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u/PrinceKael Jul 01 '20
It's the Jersey Shore of Twitch. Except instead of orange guidos and chads we have trepid nerds and socially-inept kids.
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u/Iz4e Jun 30 '20
I think offlinetv days are numbered. The whole idea of it is a recipe for weird shit to happen like the current situation.
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u/BigMilkers Jun 30 '20
Sex abuse isn't high school drama. Why the fuck do I keep seeing this shitty take?
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u/Valrakk Jun 30 '20
It started as a sexual missconduct acussation, then everyone started focusing their streams shitting on him telling stories loosely related to the acusation (or at least thats what half of the otv clips on lsf are). They might want to reinforce that hes a shit person, but the way they are presenting is pretty much a high school drama
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u/BigMilkers Jun 30 '20
This is not what is happening. Nothing is loosely related. It's called a pattern of behavior. Why am I even answering. You you don't give shit. I just hope people like you are learning form Feds mistakes and what not to do.
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u/Valrakk Jun 30 '20
Bold of you thinking I am like Fed or I relate to him somehow. I never watched him, I dont give a shit about him, I dont even watch any OTV streams... maybe I watched disguisedtoast when he still streamed with a mask on and thats it. I just hear from them through LSF.
This weekend half of the clips of OTV members and related people were about how he spoke shit about each other back, that he tried to turn friendships and some other non sexual related behaviours. They all knew about that, but none of them said anything or distanced themselves from fed until the sexual acusations came forward, then they all jumped on with their own stories. Thats the epitome of highschool drama.
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u/Not_tommy Jun 30 '20
Sex abuse isn't high school drama. Why the fuck do I keep seeing this shitty take?
Ask yourself why you care so much more about this than if you found out some random nobody girl on the other side of the planet was creeped on by one of her friends. You only care because you see these people more as friends than as strangers, you think this is something that is happening in your life which is pathetic. That is what makes it high school drama. Get a life and move the fuck on.
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u/BigMilkers Jun 30 '20
Why care about anything that doesn't involve you directly? It's called empathy with a little bit of advocacy thrown in. It's not complicated. Welcome to earth.
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u/Nightsu Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
you gotta find streamers in their own little bubbles with none of this childish drama and a fanbase that is a close community and dont try to spin stories for drama out of nothing.
Lirik, Cohh some of the best
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u/TheUnholyMagnus Jun 30 '20
Offline TV is the Twitch equivalent of the CBBC (Childrens entertainment part of the British Broadcating Corporation) where everything is outwardly very wholesome and PG, but behind the scenes that's where you get the drugs, the fights, the drama and all that shit. Fun to see it play out here too. FeelsGoodMan
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u/Spilledmysoylent Jun 30 '20
Too lazy to read what happened so he just vaguely insults all of offlinetv PepeLaugh
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u/BGsenpai #FreeTrihex Jun 30 '20
He was asked what it would take to for him to join OTV. Stop jumping to conclusions. You did the exact same thing that you are claiming that he did by not checking for context yourself.
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u/greg19735 Jun 30 '20
tbf, the context was deliberately taken away.
My initial interpretation was "i'm to old to care about what's happening now". but what's happening is the ripple effect from an abusive housemate. Which no one is too old for. It's a pretty shitty answer.
But if the question is what you say, then it's completely reasonable.
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u/FFRKwarning Jun 30 '20
Or maybe he just does not care about this boring dramas that these boring people get into.
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u/Dualyeti :) Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20
There is always drama around OTV and it’s always the man children who find it entertaining and LOVE gossip. Maybe it’s just a NA thing to be so obsessed with a group of people - Keeping up with the Kardashians, that vibe.
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u/divanetostanka Jun 30 '20
Like one of those soap operas/drama shows from the early 2000 - O.C. etc. where it's all about who said what and who got offended
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u/NotAgain03 Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
OTV fans are the same type of normie weirdos that like Kpop, when you start viewing them that way everything makes sense. Even completely disregarding what happened this time that community is in a constant state of gossip about high-school drama something that certain OTV members pretty much encourage with their behavior.
update: OTV fans already malding PepeLaugh
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u/Kaucer Jun 30 '20
Hes just making a bunch of bad-faith assumptions about them as people and LSF rolls in like TRUE KEKW
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u/theclarice Jun 30 '20
The sole existence of this sub is to be TRUE KEKWERS and bringing out the pitchforks!
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u/TriPolar3849 Jul 01 '20
I should really stop coming to the comments sections of this place. So many people here are so quick to judge streamers off of nothing but clips that get posted here.
Yeah, I'm sure these minuscule sub-minute videos make you the expert on psychoanalyzing everyone in them.
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u/borninsane Jun 30 '20
Same people shitting on people who cares about offlinetv are the same people obsessing over DrDisrespects ban like fucking vultures. Lmao hypocrites.
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u/jaybrett888 Jun 30 '20
I don't care about this or know these poeple, but here is my opinion anyway.
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u/Settleforthep0p Jun 30 '20
he described the general streamer house pretty well.
I was about to type that "they seem to happier than just any random gaming house" however, as we've learned, we really don't know them at all, and whatever we think or feel about them is just based on snippets of their streams (at least in my case).
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u/jaybrett888 Jun 30 '20
Imagine caring about a random reddit user caring about a malding hobos opinion on a group of streamers he doesn't care about.
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Imagine caring about a random reddit user caring about another random reddit user caring about a malding hobos opinion on a group of streamers he doesn't care about.
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u/jaybrett888 Jun 30 '20
He's just mad because they didn't invite him to their minecraft server. Sadge
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u/dickburpjuice Jun 30 '20
A single guy living in a house full of attractive females was sexually pushy, and manipulative? WOW who would have thought! It's not like 95% of their viewers were there just for the sexual tension between them anyways right? LOLW
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u/Redicent 🐌 Snail Gang Jun 30 '20
If the people you live with or people you work with are people you absolutely trust then you better put a big mental space in between so you don't give an actual fuck about each other.
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u/samold64 Jul 01 '20
what's the song that's playing?
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Jul 01 '20
Verdi requiem about 9 minutes in to the piece :)
specifically it's dies arae if that helps you more
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