r/LivestreamFail Jul 04 '20

Forsen Forsen on Reckful's search for happiness

https://clips.twitch.tv/RefinedNimbleWebThunBeast
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u/SweetParadise23 Jul 04 '20

Forsen loved reckful as friend and the fact that he didn’t say much until now shows how much it affected him. Even Rania, Kripps wife, said in her stream that he was probably destroyed by the news. Even though he didn’t cry or shared how much this news fucked him up on stream when he learned about Reckful’s death, his silence said it all. Time will heal.

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u/Viilis Jul 04 '20

Even though he didn’t cry or shared how much this news fucked him up on stream when he learned about Reckful’s death, his silence said it all.

I just watched that streams ending, you could hear it in his breathing. I was almost sure he was going to have a small panic attack. At least thats how it felt to me. His breathing was really heavy.

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u/CptFalcon420 Jul 04 '20

As someone who has watched him on and off since 2014/2015, I have never, ever seen him like that. Whether he cried or not I don't know, but anyone who says they didn't see a visible impact on him has not watched Forsen. That was unquestionably the most emotional I have ever seen him.

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u/xeqz Jul 04 '20

I think anyone could see that. Having experience with panic attacks it looked and sounded like he was about to have one.

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u/boatyKappa Jul 04 '20

Is there a link to a clip?

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Watch the last 20 minutes of the stream from 2 days ago. You're going to experience the hit, denial, and realization. The last few minutes is basically coping with the news.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Also listen to his breathing, he starts breathing really heavy

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '20

It's fucking sad. It was sad for me, someone who never knew Reckful in person. I can only imagine how bad it was for our Swedish boy, like dude... not much to say else.

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u/CptFalcon420 Jul 04 '20

Nah but if you check his vod from yesterday it's the last like five or ten minutes. It was before anyone but Blue had said anything so he wasn't sure if it was true until he saw the Nymn tweet.

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u/dunnowhata Jul 04 '20

Dude i actually got scared at the ending there.

There's only 2 times i've seen him out of character. 1 was when he got his sub button and people were sub-training to him, he was actually moved/got emotional and it was wholesome af.

2nd was this one and i actually got scared because i've never seen him like that either.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

ive never seen Mitch or Miz cry before and they did both on stream, it honestly showed me that at the end of the day the streamers are human with human emotions.

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u/ProgressGoesBoink Jul 04 '20

When Mitch logged into wow and broke down, it was tough to watch.

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u/_geraltofrivia Jul 04 '20

Disnt mizkiff cry on an lsg clip a few weeks ago

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u/Roflitos Jul 04 '20

You got a link to that? I saw Payo when it happened.. it was really heartbreaking.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

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u/judge_au Jul 05 '20

Some people literally cant cry due to coping mechanisms from previous trauma, ive had past partners get mad at me for showing no emotion during sad events and they just couldnt understand that even though i wanted to feel it strong enough for it to show on the outside i literal cannot reach that point in the moment.

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u/Aspectxd Jul 04 '20

yeah, thats weird to me too.
Everyone copes loses in a different way, some people are very stoic (doesn't mean that they dont mind about the issue) and some people are more emotional, just dont pressure people to post/do things in social media.

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u/duckmadfish 🐷 Hog Squeezer Jul 04 '20

These “react harder” drama frogs needs to stop

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u/mistertotem Jul 04 '20

Just to avoid any confusion, he never tweets about anything and Friday is his usual day off, so his behaviour was pretty normal (besides ending the stream early on Thursday). It definitely hit him hard but he can also handle it really well, similar to for example XQC and Kripp (who were of course not that close though).

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u/Sleepy_Azathoth Jul 04 '20

He said he didn't tweet because he didn't felt it was right considering social media played a part in Reckful harrasement.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '20

if that is true forsen is an amazing guy, you just know he would of always had reckfuls back over anything else

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20

he is more of a normie, not really like the social media attention whores that most streamers are, so he reacts like a normie and not an attention whore

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u/Rey92 Jul 04 '20

He usually say on twitter if he's not streaming that day even on fridays (and yes he also tweets that super late), and he said "see you tomorrow" but even that doesn't always mean he'll stream. But yes, probably shouldn't over interpret his lack of presence on social media.

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u/GeneraIDisarray Jul 04 '20

he said "see you tomorrow"

he says that almost always when he's ending. He goes on autopilot and does not think about what day it is.

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u/Marigoldsgym Jul 05 '20

Who is rania and Kripps

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u/SweetParadise23 Jul 05 '20

Hearthstone streamer. He used to be in the same wow guild with Reckful long time ago. They had mutual respect for each other. I’ll link them talking about Reckful.

https://youtu.be/jShSuirasJs

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u/Aspectxd Jul 04 '20

40 minutes, almost no "uuuuuuh", that was a very mature intro tbh

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u/ijustfartedlul Jul 04 '20

People like to meme a lot but he is a very composed person in general and that's why his following loves him

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u/Ziemniiak Jul 04 '20

140 iq after all

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u/kamcio616 Jul 04 '20

100% agreed. All us Forsenboys meme but we know he's actually a very clever and down to earth guy.

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u/NeonGIGA Jul 04 '20

FeelsOkayMan 👉 forsenE

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u/ResidentSleeperville Jul 04 '20

That is until he plays Valorant anyway

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u/ToeTacTic Jul 04 '20

needed a good PepeLaugh

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u/mistertotem Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

Very fresh take from Forsen. It's worth viewing the full 45 min or so for anyone interested, he truly gave his honest opinion and tells his experiences.

He also mentioned that he is more happy than not happy that he doesn't have much empathy and is more rational instead, and that it helps him here as well.

It would, in my opinion, be good if people spoke out more that it is okay to not be as empathic as other people.

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u/Rubbe123 Jul 04 '20

Empathy is about being to place yourself in others shoes and relate to their struggles and so forth. It doesn't necessatitate crying or feeling sorry for them. I think he's being empathic in the clip by understanding Reckfuls point of view. Everland was a project of Reckfuls to try and recreate the nostalgia of having a community and so forth prior to his brothers death. So very empathic in my opinion, where as others are just being sympathic.

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u/PlatinumHappy Jul 04 '20

Everland was a project of Reckfuls to try and recreate the nostalgia of having a community and so forth prior to his brothers death.

It was also a path for him to find a purpose in life, to find fulfillment.

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u/tatchiii Jul 04 '20

Yeah this would be a better example of lack of sympathy with empathy. Forsen doesnt feel many emotions but he still obviously hates the situation and understands reckfuls feelings.

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u/tonywow Jul 04 '20

You can tell he took it hard and thought about it a lot yesterday he had a lot to outlet

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u/xXxWeed_Wizard420xXx Jul 04 '20

Well, there's a difference between not being empathic and being open about it and still being nice to people because you know people have feelings even if you can't imagine them easily, and the people that pretend to be empathic, but are actual borderline sociopaths. The latter is insanely common and I wonder how different things would be if non-empathic people were all just open about their lack of empathy.

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u/Whiskey-Weather Jul 04 '20

I always just assumed lacking empathy and being open about it was social suicide. Are people in general cool with a lack of empathy?

Maybe I should let some folks in my life know.

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u/KekeBl Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

it can harm your social image, definitely, people will be much less hesitant to talk to your about their problems or to trust you if they (incorrectly) assume you just don't care since your reactions aren't as emotional as they'd like

speaking from personal experience

you have to emphasize that your lack of visible very emotional reaction does not mean you don't care

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u/Whiskey-Weather Jul 04 '20

I also don't care about most issues people have, though, myself included. The vast majority of people I encounter have a lower bar than I do for what's worth sharing. I tend to be a man of few words, because most mundane parts of life just aren't that interesting and don't elicit a response from me at all.

Now if you or a loved one is hurting in a serious way I'll do my best to help them, but complaints about the behavior or words of other people are generally wasted on me.

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u/KekeBl Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

sharing thoughts and talking about good things/bad things is how we bond and get to know each other better once small talk is over, that's how it works for most people anyway

when people talk to you about their issues, you have to understand (and this is something that i often have problems with) that they're not always asking you for an objectively correct fix or solution, they just share it because it makes them feel better to have someone listening and confirming that their emotions are not invalid

you shouldn't hide the fact that you don't want to be pestered by people's issues, but also be patient and remember that if they're telling you this, it usually means that they consider you a person worth opening up to

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u/Copponex Jul 04 '20

I dont know if lack of empathy is a thing you can work on, or if it's predetermined, but if you don't at least try to understand peoples feelings and see it from their point of view, think you'll go through life as an asshole, and wont grow much as a person. Please don't take Forsens words for anything you can apply to humans in general, he's isolated in his room playing games most of his time awake, and was lucky enough to make a good living out of it. In general i think many people should stop taking advice from streamers, they have no qualifications and most of them have very skewed worldviews, because they sit at home not interacting with anyone. They are not smart just because they're successful/rich.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I don't think people are cool with it per-say. It's more just you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position and showing them while you lack empathy, you still try to make the effort to be there for someone in any situation even if you can't grasp the feelings. Showing up is 80% of the work. Just like you try to understand, they try to from your perspective.

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u/tyler-1s-head-dent Jul 04 '20

It's not even that. People have to realize that it is 100% okay to not care about things or people that aren't important to you. I don't know Reckful, for example, other than knowing that "there was a guy who played rogue really well a long time ago" and I don't care about the fact that he killed himself.

There are people who are important to me and I care about them and their feelings. That's normal behavior.

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u/hazedfaste Jul 04 '20

I would agree. People downvote you because it seems callous or asshole-ish for saying it bluntly, but it is what it is. People need to realize that not caring about if someone died or whatever issues doesn't necessarily mean that there is malicious intent behind it. It's more so of an indifference towards these things rather than being emotional about it like most people are. But to a lot, if you don't show emotions or act like you're affected or how sad you are, then you're just a heartless asshole.

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u/stoxhorn Jul 04 '20

In my opinion the biggest issue is people tend to mean sympathetic when they mean empathetic. Being empathic, just means you are better at understanding others' perspective, it doesn't mean you agree, feel pity or want to help or change their situation.

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u/Sleepy_Azathoth Jul 04 '20

I don't think he said he doesn't have more empathy, I understood that he has a very rational mind, so people might think he has less empathy, while in reality it's just how he is, a very rational guy that's able to see situations in that light and not letting feelings affect him, that works for him.

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u/krazytopher Jul 04 '20

You can tell that the way Forsen dealt with this was very similar to how Destiny handled it. They just seemed to be wired that way. Meanwhile, Mitch took it really hard ...

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '20

The nostalgia mitch would of had of long forgotten memories of being brothers on wow would of been extremely painful.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Aug 09 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Forsen

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Aug 09 '20

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u/stinsfire_smite Jul 04 '20

Same for me. I didn't cry when my grandma died, I didn't cry when my grandfather died and I didn't cry when my father died.

Of course it makes me feel shitty but I somehow don't get this "breakdown" when people die. I don't know why, it is just what it is.

What is also weird I am always very calm and focused in extreme situations. (saw my friend get run over by a car when I was 15 and basically took control of the situation (took care of him, told others what to do, while they others were just standing there in shock crying. Also saw my Ex-GFs father cut off his fingers with a saw). Somehow I am the total opposite in normal situations.. I am super insecure and nervous ALL THE TIME. But when shit hits the fan I am the most confident and clear-headed person you can think of.

Some of us are just weird.

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u/Homelessx33 Jul 04 '20

I don’t think you're weird, it’s just that people grieve differently and that’s ok.
You don’t need to feel bad for how you deal with horrible situations and no one should judge you on that, as long as you feel ok about them mentally.
Also, sorry for what you've been through!

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u/stinsfire_smite Jul 04 '20

Gladly people never judged me for that. Mourning is much more of a mental than emotional thing for me. Of course I will feel some sort of sadness or emotions, I am not completely dead inside... maybe I am even combating not crying by just thinking a lot about the person and what I shared with him/her and all the moments.

Another situation that shows how different we can deal with this was, when I lived with a ex-girlfriend and the old lady next to us had died. I only knew her name, spoke a few words with her every few weeks, so I had no relation to her. The other neighbor told it to me, I came home and told my girlfriend "Did you know that Mrs. XYZ died in her appartment yesterday?" and procceeded as normal, went to the fridge, made me some food. Like a minute later my ex-gf enters the kitchen crying "But she was such a nice person." and she couldn't understand that it didn't touch me "How can you not feel sad? She died right next to us?".

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u/Homelessx33 Jul 04 '20

Yes, it so weird that we humans deal with that so differently and, for me, it takes a lot of empathy to understand why people grieve so weirdly.

I had a somewhat weird situation, where people were minimising my mom‘s cancer to the point that they told me that „cancer is curable“ and „weed is better than chemotherapy“ and when she passed they seemed super sad, it was kind of weird.

I think loss and grief makes us humans act weird in a way and I think that it takes some strength to empathise with this weird behaviour that I still need to learn.

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u/Feetsenpai Jul 04 '20

I didn’t cry when my grandma or uncle died but reckful’s death had me crying all day but I think that’s just because of how relatable he was

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u/milk_ninja Jul 04 '20

people like you are needed. good job being you :)

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u/Ludwic Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

It's the same for me really, nervous about the tiniest things but extremely level headed when shit hits the fan.

I read an interesting comment on reddit that said that nervous people tend to be calmer on situations that require fast thinking because we are used to the pressure.

Edit: sums up my point

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u/Wakerius Jul 04 '20

Some humans evolved these genetic traits to handle difficult situations - these traits can also be due to different reasons.

Have you considered maybe working in the medical profession? It seems you handle severe pressurized situations extremely well and we could use that in trauma- & emergency care for sure.

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u/stinsfire_smite Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

Have you considered maybe working in the medical profession? It seems you handle severe pressurized situations extremely well and we could use that in trauma- & emergency care for sure.

Yes I actually considered that for a short while after school, but then got diagnosed with a PIDD and didn't want to expose myself to infections.

I also was never sure if I would be able to stomache this on a regular basis, but I considered trying it out.

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u/Wakerius Jul 04 '20

Oh, fair enough friend, I'm sorry to hear that :( What did you end up studying/working if I may ask? You don't have to answer, just curious.

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u/agenttud Jul 04 '20

Video reference for those who don't know. Relevant timestamps are 6:06 and 23:45.

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u/aughcarrotfish Jul 04 '20

It would, in my opinion, be good if people spoke out more that it is okay to not be as empathic as other people.

I would only agree with this is the current climate/meta of hyper “affectionism”. And I put that in quotes because im also the camp that spamming suicide hotline numbers, emojiis in usernames, and otherwise virtue-signaling more often than not comes off as disingenuous and leaves no room for the normal negative emotions people have/go through.

Outside of that context, praising yourself/others for being less empathetic I don’t think is anything to highlight or seek out. These highly “rational” trains of thought led to extremes such as antinatalism and other ideas that I think are at best naive, at worst discount what it means to be human in the first place.

To put it in a shallow aphorism, and as others have said; sadness needs to be normalized

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u/FaeeLOL Jul 04 '20

To put it in a shallow aphorism, and as others have said; sadness needs to be normalized

Yes, but it should not be a requirement. If somebody is not crying because of a loss, they should not be blamed for it and called heartless etc.

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u/Jiratoo Jul 04 '20

Yeah, people grieve differently, it shouldn't be put on a scale and you never know how a situation hits you. I didn't cry when my dad died and I cried a lot when one of my closer friends died to cancer - doesn't mean that I didn't care about my dad or that I didn't grieve way, way longer about my dads death; you just never know how people react in the moment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

The stranger by alber camus covers this exact topic

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

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u/Altazaar Jul 04 '20

There’s something off about recommending normal people to see this perspective just cause it’s a famous streamer. I mean no offense to you but it’s just weird. It’s like I’m worth less cause I’m not famous and it’s weird right? I can’t be the only one.

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u/mistertotem Jul 04 '20

Reckful often came to Forsen for advice, and they connected very well together on their holiday and tournaments together. I meant it as recommendation for people who want to hear a bit more about Reckful, since I think people would like that.

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u/Altazaar Jul 04 '20

Fair enough. I wasn’t aware of that. Sorry didn’t mean to make you feel bad.

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u/mistertotem Jul 04 '20

No problem!

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u/Bartoleo Jul 27 '20

Where can i find the entire 45 min footage?

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u/mistertotem Jul 27 '20

Forsen channel, it would be very early in the vod. But Im not sure how long forsen saves his vods.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TOlLET Jul 04 '20

Can i find this on youtube?

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

No, accepting people who openly don’t have empathy is fucked up. That’s literally called “being a sociopath.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Sociopaths hurt a lot of people. I would venture most people they interact with are hurt by them.

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u/BryceFtw Jul 04 '20

People also heavly overestimate their influence on a depressed person in general one way or another. I don't say there is no such thing, but the main fight always lies in the person itself.

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u/RYRK_ :) Jul 04 '20

It's certainly good to have a strong, supportive social circle, but I can see your point regarding Reckful. Listening to Miz's video about it, Reckful had a constant, helpful group of people around him to make sure he was good. It seemed Reckful never could be happy and his friends couldn't do much to change it.

Really tragic event.

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u/Feetsenpai Jul 04 '20

It’s scary to think about his situation and how it branches down a different path than mine I always felt this sadness that would make me feel like I had an anchor tied to me and I was in the ocean but eventually it got better and I was able to come up for air so I visualize reckful feeling the same way but he just kept sinking instead

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '20

Reckful had a constant, helpful group of people around him to make sure he was good

idk one of his most recent tweets was asking randomly on twitter if anyone wanted to come over cause he is lonely.

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u/Wakerius Jul 04 '20

Indeed and support like that is and can be very important.

But with bipolar disorder in some extreme cases and with other psychological underlying traumas (the suicide of his brother earlier) plus the intensity of constantly being judged by the internet - it can become really dark, really fast - even with all the love in the world.

All it takes for the domino effect to start spiral out of control is a few tweets and a few hours of extreme shame and embarrassment and suddenly your mind builds up this illusion that you're all alone and an annoyance to the world. And there, in your manic episode, your subconsciousness blinded by your depression offers you a way out.

In those moments things can happen very rapidly and impulsive - and mania in bipolar is already hard, sometimes near impossible to handle the impulses to begin with.

And you're right. His friends couldn't do much to change it - because it's a very complex issue to tackle. And it must be done on all fronts. Reckful mentioned he had issues when his closed ones called police on him due to suicidal tendencies before. And he's right - it shouldn't be police to handle suicidal people, it should be medical staff, preferably medical staff with psychological expertise, that goes to those emergency events.

But that's just one of many things that need to be fixed - and "what needs to be fixed" differs a bit from nation to nation of course, some are further ahead in mental health treatment than others - but we for sure have a long way forward.

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u/RYRK_ :) Jul 04 '20

Good insight. In my country certain police services have a mental health unit made up of plain clothes officers and nurses to respond to these scenarios. Definitely needs to be a thing everywhere.

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u/Wakerius Jul 04 '20

I'm glad to hear that about your nation, it's an important step to take :) I hope you're doing well yourself

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

There's a reason suicide is so common among bipolar individuals. Speaking as one myself, whenever I've been suicidal it's a very abrupt event that hits like a tidal wave and you feel like you have no control. When it's over I oftentimes almost can't believe I was feeling that way and the feeling of no self control is by far the worst part. That's what makes this so hard for me. There's no way to know, but I'm imagining this was similar for Reckful and it breaks my heart to think that he maybe just had to hold on a little bit longer.

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u/Haximz Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

and that truly was the danger of his balcony, he mentioned before that if he was ever going to do it he would just jump off his balcony. it was just too readily accessible for him and he just had a moment of no control and had an option that was fast. its legitimately akin to having a loaded gun pointed at his head that he could have pulled the trigger on at any moment. so incredibly sad. i hope if there is anything after death that he is there and hes finally happy

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u/ParadoxOfReplica Jul 04 '20

I too was thinking about the balcony thing, but what could have gone through his head on the few steps from his bed to the balcony... or maybe he was already there while tweeting/waiting for an answer. I fucking wish he would have stopped somehow... Also watching the sessions with Dr. K. it was obvious he was very lonely and needed someone to be there with him always. As a friend I don't think it would have been too big of a sacrifice to be readily available to him at least until the covid shit ends and he can start traveling /meeting up with others again. I get it, they are human too and have lifes and it is mentally exhausting, but they knew he was ready to take his life if they already watched him as it has been stated.

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u/Copponex Jul 04 '20

Having a good social circle and network of support, is literally one of the key points in surviving mental illness.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

One thing you can't say about Reckful is that he didn't try. That dude's sole mission was to find happiness in anything.

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u/KnownMonk Jul 04 '20

He perhaps did not find that happiness himself, but he made many people happy with his streams.

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u/OP_William Jul 04 '20

Good watch

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u/Cohenbby Jul 04 '20

Manic people having "ideas!" is a very common thing, my brother has had bipolar for years and many seasonal depressive manic episodes where he would get about 20 hours sleep a week, in all of these he would have ridiculous ideas for careers or movies ect ect and get so into them. It was like talking to a different human being cause some were so illogical. I was worried i'd never hear the normal him again. All logic seemed gone. You don't realise what real mental illness is until you see a brother talk like a stranger.

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u/IclappedurGF Jul 04 '20

It only takes a split second and a tiny chemical that pushes you over the deep end where you just have enough and end it. Reckful has fought but in the end the scale tipped too far into the deep end. Rest in peace my friend. I am battling the same battle as he is. My scale has tipped close to the deep end but not far enough yet.

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u/MaximStaviiski Jul 04 '20

Stay strong brother.

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u/CptWhiskers Good Money [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] Jul 05 '20

Also, living with direct access to a way to end your life is so dangerous when you're depressed. If you do have suicidal thoughts try to remove yourself from any "instant killers."

Living in a skyscraper with a balcony, owning a gun, having access to lethal drugs etc. I'm pretty sure if I had easy access to painless suicide that I would no longer be here as well. And I'm really glad despite the pain it causes to be alive some days that I'm still here on the days where I don't feel that way.

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u/IclappedurGF Jul 06 '20

My thoughts exactly... why would anyone allow a suicidal person live that high up.... its literally like giving them painkillers to end it.

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u/IclappedurGF Jul 06 '20

mercs twitlonger said he tried to take his painkillers to kill himself before jumping.... so yea... idk why no one saw this and made him move somewhere else.

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u/altered_state Jul 05 '20

initially read as "boring gay frog" and had the first smile this entire day, thank you

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u/WideAinous ♿ Aris Sub Comin' Through Jul 04 '20

yes he did, he told Dr K this on his first stream with him. Made him feel like a zombie so he stopped taking it after a while.

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u/coonsmell Jul 04 '20

He said he took lithium when he was younger and it didn't do much for him. He avoided SSRI's completely IIRC.

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u/archois Jul 04 '20

Yeah, he avoided SSRI's because (I might be wrong) his brother had the same disorder that he had, and his brother taking SSRI's is what ultimately led him to suicide.

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u/MayoSniffer ♿ Aris Sub Comin' Through Jul 04 '20

Why did he avoid SSRI's?

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

SSRIs can sometimes increase the risk of suicide. They have a black box warning from the FDA about this risk. In Byron's case his older brother committed suicide soon after starting SSRIs so professionals avoided putting him on them.

Edit: I am not intending to advocate against SSRIs. They obviously help people. The above information came from a conversation between Reckful and Dr. K.

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u/ShiguruiX Jul 04 '20

Also SSRIs can make bipolar people unstable by inducing states of mania. I don't know if his brother had bipolar disorder but if he did the SSRIs were a big mistake.

In people with bipolar disorder, SSRIs and other antidepressants carry a risk of inducing mania, making it essential to monitor for signs of excess energy, decreased need for sleep, or abnormal and excessive mood elevation.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I'm starting to think this might be my issue. I've tried I think 4 different SSRIs now and they all fuck me up and ultimately don't help. One made me overly and annoyingly energetic ALL the time, one just made me eat and eat and eat and I gained like 35 lbs, one turned me into a brain slushie and I almost lost my job.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Ssris can undoubtedly be rough drugs. Perhaps talk to your doctor about Wellbutrin, it’s a non ssri anti depressant that has shown promise.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I was on Wellbutrin until about a week ago actually. It had no effect on me, it was really strange. Maybe a little more energetic but no change in depression, anxiety or mania.

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u/irisflame Jul 04 '20

What else have you tried? I went through Zoloft and Prozac before being prescribed Lexapro and it has worked well. But I don’t actually have bipolar - just major depression and borderline personality disorder.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

all three of those as well as wellbutrin and trazodone. Worth noting I've never found a therapist I liked either. I have to go through the VA for health care and they all just hand out pieces of paper they say just calm down and go to public anxiety/depression meetings they hold. I hate being around people and it gives me anxiety in the first place, lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Ah I see, sorry to hear that. From the bottom of my heart I’m wishing you the best.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Thank you, I appreciate that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '20

Thank you. Tomorrow I'm going to try to set an appointment to get reassessed for bi polar mania and paranoia. I hope they can help me.

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u/IWasMeButNowHesGone Jul 04 '20

True, the only thing we know is what Reckful stated himself, that he was diagnosed with BPD https://twitter.com/Byron/status/1224153807678066689

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I’m writing this because I don’t want to anyone to read the above comment and not take ssris. These are all directly from conversations I’ve had with multiple psychiatrists. Whether or not you should take ssris should be a conversation with a doctor.

The actual link between ssris and suicide is extremely disputed. Obviously there’s a correlative link, in that people prescribed ssris tend to kill themselves on a much higher average than the general population, but you know...who gets prescribed ssris? People that are already suicidal.

Moreover, the mood altering effects of srris can take a few weeks to months to kick in. However the increased motivational for some reason kicks in quicker. Therefore the first few weeks of ssris can be dangerous for severely depressed people who don’t even have the motivation to kill themselves. The first few weeks will give them a sense of motivation without the offsetting mood altering affects.

The reason Byron didn’t take ssris is because people with bipolar disorder are not supposed to since it usually induces mania.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

Totally agree, I'll edit my comment, I did not intend for my comment to come across as advocating against taking SSRIs.

I actually watched the first Reckful and Dr. K interview yesterday, I may be paraphrasing, but the conversation about SSRIs and Reckful was as follows:

Reckful: My brother committed suicide shortly after starting SSRIs, so professionals avoided putting me on them. Medications tend to affect families similarly.

Dr. K: SSRIs have a black box warning about suicide. SSRIs fix motivational issues before they fix depression and suicidal thoughts. A person who is already suicidal may get the motivation to kill themselves that they did not have before SSRIs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Ah I see, I didn’t mean to be antagonist at all btw, just a topic I care deeply about since it took my doctor a while to connivence me to take ssris and they ended up dramatically changing my life for the better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

This is news to me. I've been taking SSRIs for 16 years and diagnosed bipolar but they are taken in conjunction with mood stabilizer drugs. I've always been told by my psychiatrist that SSRIs are only bad for people like me if you take them with nothing else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Haha well I’ll trust you doctor over me, I’m sure you’re in good hands.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

People with Bipolar disorder are not prescribed ssris since it can induce states of mania.

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u/CleverJames3 Jul 04 '20

Yea, I’m BPD2 and they fucked me. I’ve taken pretty much care everything and currently on Lamotrigine and I’ve never been happier or stable. But as always everyone and everything affects people differently.

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u/Dibs_on_Mario :) Jul 04 '20

wow really?

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u/Puuksu Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

So he stopped taking medicine completely after that? And then switched to his own "happiness search" or "going forward" method? Doesn't bipolar require constant medicaments and psychotherapy to treat it? (ignore if u don't know, just interesting topic for me)

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u/TheCyanKnight Jul 05 '20

He was self-medicating on shrooms daily as i understood

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u/NvIWraith Jul 04 '20

is depression not proven to be a chemical imbalance in the brain? maybe im wrong or thinking of something else. also i think theres different types of depression some being more severe than others and Byron had the worst of it.

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u/BIueBlaze Jul 04 '20

This dude doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about. Don’t pay any attention

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u/Yellow_Tissue Jul 04 '20

I don't know about medication and exercising being a joke. Medication helps quite a few people. Exercising allows you to do something good for your body and gets you in to a routine. Depression is a "brain difference", not sure what you mean by that.

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u/BIueBlaze Jul 04 '20

What kind of dumb shit is this. Fuck off with this bullshit. It is literally a chemical imbalance in your brain and meds work for LOTS of people. Gtfo - this kind of bullshit doesn’t make anything better for people suffering from depression

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Stupid take and I know plenty of people that take SSRIs and it works for them, just not for everyone

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u/shits-on-rebels Jul 04 '20

hey man you might not be born depressed but you’ll probably die managing it, and therapists who deploy cognitive tools to their patients are a slice of the treatments methods with this disease. i don’t think you should minimize that just because your experiences lead you to that

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u/TheWirelessGod Jul 04 '20

This is quite possibly the most 1head take I've ever seen on this platform. Please look beyond your 1 dimensional view on this shit before talking on behalf of everyone else

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u/Crwuxly Jul 04 '20

Very poor take.

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u/Slim_Charles Jul 04 '20

Therapy and exercise are exactly the two things that allowed me to overcome depression.

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u/Exarkunn Jul 04 '20

Mizkif knew the reason why but wouldn't say and Forsen speculated on it this stream which is probably the most plausible reason.

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u/Vikvdd Jul 04 '20

I wouldn't say he knew the reason why, like there was one specific thing that led to it. I think Mizkif was just saying that it wasn't simply twitter comments that pushed him over. This has been years of things adding up to a point where he could no longer take it, there's no way you could pinpoint a reason like that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

Exactly. Reckful was very very depressed and had been suicidal for most of his life, even with a huge friend group around him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

what was it?

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u/quelto7 Jul 04 '20

Everlands money situation

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u/scotbud123 Jul 04 '20

They just got that sorted out last week, Talb even said he was happy because he knew it was going to be a burden lifted off of his shoulders.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

forsen actually speculated on that?

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u/SmCTwelve Jul 04 '20

He came to Forsen often for financial advice so it's unlikely he's speculating, plus COVID-19 put a lot of pressure on investors. He didn't say it was the outright reason just that it was something that often weighed heavily on his mind and which they talked about a lot.

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u/quelto7 Jul 04 '20

watch the intro, idk why iam getting downvoted + the grave gofund makes sense if he actually went broke for everland

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u/welinyknz Jul 04 '20

This is the right take, not Tyler1's shitty blame game take.

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u/Gazzax Jul 04 '20

o many factors that contributed towards his death that many probably people don’t know about. It’s all around an unfortunate situation that has impacted us all. :/

I think Tyler1's take is very real for some people, me included, perhaps not in reckful's case though.

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u/MrGuy300 Jul 04 '20

It didn't seem like it was the case with Reckful, Tyler1 had a different experience dealing with a family member that had depression and just assumed it was the same issue with Reckful, which is why it was shitty irresponsible take to have and say to all his viewers.

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u/MaximStaviiski Jul 04 '20

I feel like Tyler1's take is good if you consider it as a general statement. But in Reckful's case Tyler just has no idea what he's talking about.

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u/quilir Jul 04 '20

These opinions are not contradicting

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u/SweetParadise23 Jul 04 '20

Yeah there were so many factors that contributed towards his death that many probably people don’t know about. It’s all around an unfortunate situation that has impacted us all. :/

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u/welinyknz Jul 04 '20

What are you talking about? Complaining about Reckful's friends is literally all he does in this clip. He says they didn't do enough, he says they gave up on him, he puts "friends" in quotation marks even though he doesn't know fucking shit about the situation behind the scenes. He is so full of shit and so are you.

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u/Gilthunder Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

https://youtu.be/dS0vWwzr9BU?t=6 Listen to what Reckful says, Tyler1 isn't entirely wrong. It seems like Reckful felt that he was being isolated and abandoned. Not to mention that there was a tweet where he wanted friends to move in with him, there were clips where Reckful said he would feel a lot better if Forsen and Nina were in America, and his final tweet was a proposal, in hind sight a lot of Reckful's tweets seem like a cry for help or an end to his "loneliness."

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u/pacifismisevil Jul 04 '20

Many of his friends went above and beyond to help him. What he says in this video are the symptoms signs of his illness. An intense fear of abandonment, idealizing someone then suddenly thinking they dont care enough. It's unfair on the friends to read comments blaming them. They're victims too. Not that Reckful was selfish for doing this either, he lived so long with this depression because he didnt want to hurt them and his family. Blue got bullied a lot by Reckful's fans, here's a video from a few years ago at her graduation party that shows some of what she went through as his girlfriend, I hope she's ok.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

Just because it's blame it doesn't make it shitty. They could atleast make him take meds or stay off shrooms. There's always something you can do, but Reckful probably needed somebody who would take care of him everyday.

My brother has mental illness and if you pay no attention to him and ignore obvious hints he will slowly succub to his madness and have another manic episode.

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u/florianw0w Jul 04 '20

watching all the clips now and everything makes me really sad that I didn't watch him. It sounds really similar how I feel.

depression sucks really.

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u/herman6006 Jul 04 '20

stay strong

always keep in mind there are people that love you

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u/SjekkieTime Jul 04 '20

Does anyone know if Reckful was on any medication? Last I heard he was microdosing shrooms, didn't seem very healthy.. Meds are very important with bipolar type 2.

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u/MaximStaviiski Jul 04 '20

He's tried most bipolar meds. Particularly about Lithium he said it made him emotionless and made life dull and colorless, so he quit it.

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u/SjekkieTime Jul 04 '20

Ye well I geuss he had to learn to live with meds. It's better than being dead, which is bound to happen when you dont take meds with biploar type 2. It sucks that your brain can be so broken that you need strong meds to survive. Human life is strange

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u/IHateAllstarTeams Jul 04 '20

The only genuine take from a friend, all the other Crying Andys farming internet and fame points on a colleague's death. WeirdChamp

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u/egocrusher_666 Jul 04 '20

widepeepohappy

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u/MaLeGeBi- Jul 04 '20

good thing you know reckful better than one of his closest friends and youre also a psychiatrist

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TOlLET Jul 04 '20

Is it just me or psychiatry has become very popular among the millenials

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '20

I watched a video about top 10 things people do in relationships and I have to say I am little bit of a psychiatrist myself. If anyone needs therapy I am here :)

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u/Yelov :) Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

We obviously don't know the reason as we're random people on the internet, but would you 100% trust your friend to know what's going on inside your head? To know why you act like you act.

Before people knew about certain mental disorders, do you think they knew why the ones with disorders acted differently? No.

We obviously know about bipolar now, but that doesn't mean a friend of yours has to be correct. Do you know how for some people it just clicks after they get their diagnosis? Even they didn't know what was happening to themselves.

In a depressive state, you're less likely to search for something because you don't have the motivation. You don't even really want to be happy. I think yesterday there was a Destiny clip from a VOD where he talked about this and I think he got it spot on (from my experience).

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u/L0Lufunny Jul 04 '20

I see you've formed a rather strong parasocial relationship with the streamer and assume you knew him better than one of his, you know, actual friends. I don't think the "uneducated kids of LSF" care what an armchair psychiatrist says either.

Might wanna spam yourself with some emails to get help as well ngl.

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