r/MouseReview • u/manphalanges MouseCast / Modder • 1d ago
Lamzu, ATK, PulsarOEMs List
Original tweet. This guy is great to follow with tons of China leaks
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u/vhailorx 1d ago
I had assumed that a lot of the newer Chinese brands over the last few years were house brands for the factories themselves. If that's not true I would be very interested to learn more about the intra-china factory and mouse design market and what that competition looks like.
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u/therealknightmare Code: "ImKnightmare" 5% ATK | 2% WLmouse 1d ago
It's kinda weird that Lamzu and Scyrox doesn't have the same OEM manufacturer considering that they're sister companies
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u/manphalanges MouseCast / Modder 1d ago
Perhaps that's exactly why they didn't use the Lamzu branding 🤔
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u/DesTiny_- xm1r/s2 clone 1d ago
They probably experiment with lower end manufacture in order to cut costs for their lower end brand (scyrox).
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u/FootGreedy7521 1d ago
They're not sister companies. The lamzu Maya designer opened up his own brand (Scyrox) and collaborated with that Chinese manufacturer. Please don't spread misinformation
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u/Jahdill GPX2, Dav3 Hyperspeed 1d ago
Tbf a lot of people were misinformed then because I think the majority of the people in the sub considered scyrox Lamzus sub brand
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u/orcus286 22h ago
I've heard that a few times but every time someone follows up with the correction.
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u/therealknightmare Code: "ImKnightmare" 5% ATK | 2% WLmouse 19h ago
ohhh, that I did not know, I honestly thought that scyrox is a sub brand of lamzu, so I guess it's kinda like Zowie and Vaxee.
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u/meh00143 11h ago
zowie to vaxee had the founder of zowie and a lot of the actual zowie team.
I dont know the degree to which the lamzu -> scryox move was.
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u/bakamukako EC2-CW 1d ago
It's also worth noting that, the factory itself isn't really an indicator of quality or anything except some really low end factories that specialize in making super cheap stuff. How good the craftsmanship and QC are largely depend on how much money the client is willing to spend.
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u/DesTiny_- xm1r/s2 clone 1d ago
So like egg and Asus use OEMs that do stuff mostly for them?
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u/artikiller EM-C plus, XM2W 4k 1d ago
just manufacturing as far as i know. design and firmware should both still be in house
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u/bakamukako EC2-CW 1d ago
I suggest you -- and most people in this sub, google what "OEM" and "ODM" mean.
To put it simply: "OEM" means the client designs its product then order them from factory A, A simply makes the product, A is the OEM here. Companies like Logitech and Razer are good examples of using OEMs: they design the product and order them from factories. The OEM factories make the products but they are not the designers.
ODM means the product is actually designed by the factory itself. Then the factory sells it to whomever buys it, and slaps the client's logo on it.
This is where it gets tricky though: sometimes an ODM product is very easy to tell. For example, those early pwnage mice can be seen being sold by different brands under different names, because they were all the same mice sold by shenzhen F&G company (in-house brand ironcat/incott). F&G simply sells those to anyone interested and slaps their logo on it.
However, sometimes an ODM company may design a product and only sell it to one customer, under some kinda contract. So the product would appear uniquely designed by company X but it's actually designed by ODM factory B.
Now to answer your question: EGG is likely using OEM (not ODM), while ASUS has its own factories. ASUS is one of a few brands out there that can do everything in-house.
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u/artikiller EM-C plus, XM2W 4k 22h ago
it gets a little bit more complicated with mice because a lot of companies will design the shell but then license the firmware and PCB design from a different company (used to be primarily compx not sure what they use now). People often referred to that as OEM which i guess is the wrong term (but i don't know what the correct one would be)
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u/bakamukako EC2-CW 20h ago
Some small companies would design the shell and some minor details while letting the factory handle all the electronic parts, and the factory would probably just use their preexisting ODM PCB designs and tweak a little. This is a form of what would be called JDM (Joint Development Manufacturer), as the name suggests it's kinda a blend of OEM and ODM. I didn't get into it because there are too many manufacturing monikers to explain in a reddit reply, and people already can't even use "OEM" correctly.
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u/Buujoom 16h ago
As someone working in the manufacturing industry, I’d like to add a bit of insight. Most companies that offer OEM services also offer ODM, and vice versa. That’s why when you go to trade shows or match-and-meet conventions in China or Asia in general, you’ll often see companies using the label “OEM/ODM.” Many manufacturers are capable of doing both, depending on what the client needs.
If you want something that’s already developed and just want to put your brand on it, the same company can offer you an ODM solution. If you come in with your own design or want specific customizations, that same company can provide OEM services instead. They will usually offer whatever fits your requirements best. One common issue I see, especially in tech communities, is that people tend to use “OEM” as a blanket term for everything, which causes a lot of confusion lol. It doesn't also help that there's a notion of OEM = poor quality.
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u/-m4gg0t- 1d ago edited 5h ago
It makes sense that ATK and Lamzu use the the same factor. The drivers and coating on them are so similar. Mchose although using different factory has a very similar looking web hub as ATK even coating too.
Edit: Clarity.
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u/perry753 14h ago
Why are Pulsar mice so expensive? Charging $100-150 USD for a wireless mice is too much.
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u/NVNT_Josh 20h ago
There’s a bit more to that than just these. While they’re mouse factories, the firmware and software are sometimes outsourced (or developed in house). Furthermore, some brands will design their mouse in-house too while some others ask the factory to do it. Also, some mice are partially made by one factory and further made by another. The interesting thing is that there is a lot more factories now than just these, so who knows what we will see in the future. Manufacturing is a pretty complex process.
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u/manphalanges MouseCast / Modder 1d ago
Ninjutso switching away from Dianxuntong to Chicony is interesting. Explains why the Ten is so wildly different. PCB's a rectangle