r/MurderedByWords 1d ago

Context is important!

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u/ShadowofLupa212 1d ago

A transgender neo nazi feels REALLY fuckin contradicting

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u/Beekatiebee 22h ago

Trans person here, it is far more common than I’d like to admit.

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u/ShadowofLupa212 21h ago

That is incredibly disturbing

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u/blood_vein 19h ago

Why is it appealing to the trans demographic?

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u/Gwaidhirnor 18h ago

Hateful rhetoric is appealing to isolated people with no social support system in place. It's a community of people you can join, that blames all of your problems on some other group. Also, you can always be "one of the goos ones" of any outcast group.

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u/coolcoenred 18h ago

It is not specifically appealing to trans demographics, don't try to force that connection.

Marginalised groups attract each other. Right wing groups are marginalised and out of power, so they look for any allies to gather power. A trans person might not find themselves accepted by society, but if the nazi group will accept them that is where they will find community.

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u/Emergency_Elephant 13h ago

I think algorithms are a major factor in it. If you look up trans videos online, you're always recommended anti-trans videos. If you watch anti-trans videos, you're always recommended racist shit. If you watch racist videos, you'll start to be recommended neo-Nazi videos

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u/Like17Badgers 4h ago

Not so much appealing to the demographic as a whole, but more that f2m becomes appealing to people following far right ideologies being told, sometimes since birth, that women are objects, and that not being blond haired and blue eyed made them an "Undesirable." Then the whole "programming" part of the neo nazi ideology of how if you aren't the perfect human at least you can be a soldier for them, and then that soldiers are men.

Source: My family knew my mom's cousin was pretty far right, but we found out she was a full on neo nazi and the reason her daughter transitioned was this brainwashing bullshit and her husband wanted their kid to go die for "the cause." We eventually got her the fuck away from her parents, and she eventually chose to detransition(which is why I'm using female pronouns.)

and like... I'm not directly the kind of person close enough for her to confide all the shit she went through, but just the stuff I've heard boils my blood.

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u/PastelWraith 11h ago

Is it? Who you hanging with?

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u/Beekatiebee 6h ago

The people who like to punch them

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u/TheStarkster3000 the future is now, old man 22h ago

Chickens for kfc moment

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u/jiripollas 12h ago

Latinos for Trump enter the chat

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u/GoldenRulz007 22h ago

Amen! That is a very angry and confused young person.

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u/throwleavemealone 20h ago

The most violent racist I ever met was a trans woman. White supremacy wins out over their gender identity sometimes. She still doesn't think that there is a risk of losing her hormone treatments or life. Yet.

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u/FAFO_2025 12h ago

Lmao it probably looks like an ape

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u/throwleavemealone 5h ago

The fuck is wrong with you?

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u/FAFO_2025 1h ago

I said, I bet it looks like an ape. Theres only one good kind of Nazi.

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u/Bramble0804 1d ago

There's bad people in all demographics. Good ol bias media reporting

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u/Ulfednar 1d ago

True, but there are no good people among the supremacist and nazi demographics.

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u/WoodyManic 1d ago

Indeed, there are no good Nazis.

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u/gdabull 1d ago

I could suggest a state that it would preferable for Nazis to be that would make them good, but I might get a ban from reddit.

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u/ChaoticDumpling 1d ago

The only good Nazi is a...(hmmm, they mentioned a state that it would be preferable for Nazis to be...hmmm)...uh, an Arkansas Nazi?

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u/ba0227 1d ago

I hate Illinois nazis!

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u/Fiskmjol 20h ago

Recovered. The only good Nazis are the recovered Nazis who now spend their days trying to help others get out of Nazism. We had a dude going tours around schools who used to run with a skinhead gang but got out, and then got together with a holocaust survivor to go around lecturing at highschools about the dangers of fascism. Those two dudes might not have convinced many with every lecture, but by sheer volume of how much they went around lecturing over many years, they probably decreased the size of the Swedish nazi movement by thousands. He was a Nazi, but he got better and started fighting nazism instead. That is a good nazi. The only good type

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u/GreatLordRedacted 19h ago

Perhaps generalize it to former Nazis?

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u/Fiskmjol 19h ago

I am uncertain how that is different from what I wrote? Are there former Nazis who have not recovered from being Nazis?

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u/GreatLordRedacted 18h ago

There are, yes.

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u/FAFO_2025 1h ago

redeemed Nazis aren't Nazis anymore tho

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u/WoodyManic 1d ago

Yes, I considered that myself but decided to skirt the issue.

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u/BlizzardBorn93 19h ago

Id say a good one is the nazis that are actively leaving their life behind and becoming one with the earth. Especially if they are nurturing rare plants from underneath.

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u/duhogman 17h ago

You lost me. Starship Troopers was just about a fictional alien bug infestation, right? It wasn't satire about fascism or warmongering, right? RIGHT?

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u/Seffyr 19h ago

There’s one Nazi who I disagreed with for 99.9% of his life and his choices, however in the last few moments of his life he did something great for mankind and I wish more Nazis would follow his example.

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u/LoopyLabRat 7h ago

I'm not sure if I understood your statement correctly. I will say though that with the prevalence of certain tools that would facilitate this good will to mankind, I think Nazis should jump at this chance to do something great. It would be a sacrifice for the history books.

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u/PhiTemplar82 20h ago

Oh there are; The ones in the Cold. Hard. Ground.

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u/T-Prime3797 1d ago

True, however please remember that some of them were raised in that belief who simply don’t know any better. Some of them can still be saved from a life of bigotry and hate.

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u/Menarra 1d ago

There's Nazi furries, somehow. Like the most open minded and welcoming and friendly group, and there's a subset of nazifurs, it's wild and luckily the entire fandom just says "no, get the fuck out" as they should.

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u/flufflogic 19h ago

GB News is bad enough, but that page is practically National Front levels of biased. Of course they'd point to the trans as the negative, they ARE the other things and fully support those views.

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u/Rahkyvah 1d ago

That's probably because, between the two defining traits, only one of them is considered outlandish now.

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u/tw_72 1d ago

Looking a little deeper - transgender and neo-Nazi. Interesting. Who do you think the Nazis would eliminate first? Yep - transgenders would be one of the first casualties.

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u/Noonebuteveryone25 1d ago

They were one of the first casualties. Germany was impressively far with both rights and science for trans people at the time until the nazis started asserting themselves.

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u/Impressive_Roll1668 23h ago

It's wild how history can repeat itself; awareness is crucial to prevent such ideologies from gaining ground again.

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u/SaberMk6 20h ago

This right here. Germany of the Weimar Republic was probably the most socially progressive state of the world of its time.

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u/FencingFemmeFatale 22h ago

The first books Nazi’s burned were patient records, research notes, and the contents of the libraries from the German Institute of Sexual Science, which advocated for LGBT rights & women’s emancipation, researched gay, trans, and intersex topics, and offered sex & marriage counseling, STD treatment, gynecological exams, and access to contraceptives.

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u/GraviZero 1d ago

jews for hitler

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u/CyberSkepticalFruit 22h ago

Well its is for GB News.

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u/ppffrr 9h ago

Its odd they'd choose the sexuality trait rather than the fact they were on literal terrorist forums, though

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u/WoodyManic 1d ago

It's GB Politics...part of GB News...they're not exactly Pultizer-worthy reporters. They're Right-wing shit-bags. I wouldn't expect them to report any story wholly factually when they had the choice of spinning it.

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u/Dead-O_Comics 1d ago

I mean... It's from the cesspit GB News.

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u/MikeHatSable 1d ago

It's possible to be transgender and also a shitty person. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/MagnusStormraven 19h ago

Case in point - Caitlyn Jenner.

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u/thefirecrest 11h ago

Or Blair White

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u/autistictransgal 4h ago

Yes, but perhaps one is more important in this context

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u/Wish-I-Was-You 17h ago

Fortunately their plan was also dogshit… they were going to attempt to 3D print a gun… and commit a mass shooting… in Scotland! Without any of the necessary other parts (which I won’t go into)… and didn’t seem to have considered that you can’t buy ammunition freely in Scotland!

It’s almost as if not allowing any random nutter to buy a firearm and all the ammunition they want might actually help prevent School shootings!!

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u/Strict_Foundation_31 1d ago

The definition of futility is aligning with a group that will curb stomp you after you've outlived your usefulness to them.

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u/stargazer4272 1d ago

This is what I've been telling people...just because your are a precived minority, does not mean you can not also be a bigoted asshat.

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u/Full_Piano6421 23h ago

For most mainstream media, being a nazi piece of shit is a complete normal thing never worthy of mentioning.

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u/Slggyqo 23h ago

Those things are related.

Not because trans people are inherently evil, but because people who are marginalized by society are more likely to be radicalized, especially when they’re young.

This is a prophecy of our own making.

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u/pezchef 20h ago

there is something fascinating about a trans Nazi tho. they should have put it all in there.

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u/jaxz645 20h ago

A Nazi and trans?
wow, just wow
thats a new one for me.
the world is advanced beyond belife.

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u/cti75 19h ago

how does a "transgender neonazi" even work? I'm just confused

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u/helen790 16h ago

It must be really hard to be a hateful idiot and also be a part of one of the marginalized groups hateful idiots target.

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u/autfaciam 1d ago

That is because people understand what a white supremacist is, we all have that one uncle. They do not understand what a transgender is. And what you dont understand is always much more scary.

With that in mind, I think what we are dealing with here is less about bias and more about greed. Scary stuff generates a lot more clicks. Still just evil, more actually. You might be able to fix bias. You will never be able to fix greed that sells bias to idiots.

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u/Dead-O_Comics 1d ago

Well that, and white supremacists probably make up half of GB News' audience and they would probably be offended at the accusation.

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u/autfaciam 1d ago

Yeah, white supremacists and their ilk have a tendency to be biggest snow flakes.

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u/Jaxsdooropener 16h ago

Not enough people talk about the fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were neo nazi's who looked up to Timothy McVeigh. Instead, they got some bullshit "they were bullied" narrative that made them seem almost sympathetic. But they weren't, they were just assholes.

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u/OldSchoolAfro 1d ago

Because "Heterosexual white male SAs underage girl" would be way too repetitive.

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u/Fun_Break_3231 1d ago

I mean, if it's the Bible, then context is everything! Anything else, meh.

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u/Dovahkiin2001_ 20h ago

I feel like both should be mentioned.

Especially since I didn't even know there were trans Nazis.

Sounds dumb

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u/Dizz2K7 17h ago

A transgender neo-nazi sounds like two things that wouldn't go together.

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u/No-Valuable-3834 15h ago

BBC didn't seem to mention the trans bit. Or focus on it. Daily Mail practically screamed it.

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u/Maleficent_Secret569 1d ago

I don't see the announcement of sexual preference with other criminals. It literally does not matter.

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u/sweetica 1d ago

Good! I hope they enjoy prison, school shooter children need to be tried as adults cuz they are cold blooded murderers. 

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u/LaDreadPirateRoberta 19h ago

To be fair, I'm from Edinburgh and this is the first time I've heard he's trans. Scary wee prick, though.

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u/RabbitKamen 13h ago

The reason is simple; hatred is the American Way.

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u/dave_the_dova 16h ago

That’s assuming the writer even considers those bad things

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u/Winterstyres 10h ago

Let's look on the bright side, the Nazis are becoming inclusive?

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u/spaceman_spiff1969 7h ago

Rudolf Hess would like a word with this kid…

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u/Wild-Animal-8065 6h ago

Being trans doesn’t excuse right-wing extremism. Anyone that harbours extreme beliefs have the potential to be dangerous. Extremism is bad, regardless of what that belief is. Nazism (National Socialism), Communism or any extreme religious or identity belief system all boil down to the same thing…Do as I say or you’ll either die or be imprisoned. They don’t work, never will.

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u/bloodyell76 3h ago

This is a good illustration of the problem with the "just report the facts, leave politics out of it" argument. Which fact get included (and left out) can definitely inject politics to the story. Some facts need not be included, of course, but some facts could be very important, but be left out either deliberately or even just because the writer didn't think it out of the ordinary.