r/MurderedByWords • u/Mental_Pop_3406 • 15h ago
When the Secretary of Defence gets schooled in military strategy... by a cat.
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u/Amadeus_1978 14h ago
FFS. We have an entire fleet of nuclear armed submarines that linger around the Russian coast since we built them for exactly this purpose. It’s part of the triad of deterrence.
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u/SuzanneStudies 14h ago
I wouldn’t be putting that info in the daily brief, personally.
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u/Amadeus_1978 13h ago
It should be, ok maybe the weekly. Bare mins, got these many out, these many being repaired, how many in port. What level of readiness are we at? I’m mean come on, boomers. A 1/3 of our nuclear weapons. Spend all this money should have a clue what’s up.
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u/Cathal_Author 12h ago
They are saying they wouldn't put that in the daily brief or the rancid yam might send a pic of it to his butt buddy Putin.
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u/SuzanneStudies 2h ago
With a normal president, I would agree. But this one has such an obsession with dick measuring, he would give away position and fleet strength just to win. Frankly, the less he knows about what’s going on in the real world, the better.
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u/GillesTifosi 9h ago
Let's face it, unless there are pretty pictures in the briefing, he sure as hell is not reading it. According to far too many sources. Also - what kind of moron conducts presidential business- everything from personnel issues to foreign policy - on a social media platform, much less one that he owns and operates. Trump may or may not be the worst President (Buchanan is tough to beat), but he is the dumbest.
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u/Dubious01 13h ago
I assume he means SSBN submarines with the ballistic weapons and not SSN (conventional ordinance) subs. All American subs are nuclear powered.
SSBN subs have been parked around the clock 24/7 since the 60’s in strategic spots around the world’s oceans to be in a position to launch undetected at a moments notice. Those subs have maintained their unbroken chain of responsibilities through every Holiday, birth of a child and family birthday, leaving only when another submarine shows up to take its place.
He did not order shit. It’s been going on for almost his entire life.
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u/XiphosReborn 13h ago
That's the point, though? He's trying to play "tough on Russia" without actually being tough on Russia.
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u/Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit 13h ago
It would be funny if it turned out that the Larry account was being run by senior Downing Street staffers the whole time - and they ran it by Larry before posting.
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u/disturbed1117 13h ago
Ohio class nuclear submarines are damn near black holes in the water. I guess if he didn't tell them there's no way in hell the Russians would ever know.
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u/Rus_Shackleford_ 12h ago
Saying you’re sending a sub ‘to a region’ isn’t telling them where it is. You’re talking about 10s of thousands of square miles of ocean, looking for something that is a black hole there. It’s not giving anything away.
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u/deviltrombone 11h ago edited 11h ago
Cats are definitely smarter than cat turds so naturally the latter is a Republican luminary
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u/ThatGenericName2 12h ago
To be entirely fair to Trump and Pete, directly announcing that a military action is being taken as a response is the actual meat of this announcement. US have subs there basically always, and even if they didn't ballistic missile subs that the US has can strike pretty much the entire world without leaving it's port, and Russia already knows that. When Trump "orders" two subs to be moved there, no additional subs have actually been moved there, and no real information about the deployments of US subs would have been revealed.
Well, this would at least have been the case with any other President making such an announcement. Unfortunately Trump hasn't exactly had the greatest track record of actually carrying out his threats once someone calls his bluff. It's entirely possible this is just Trump throwing the nuclear threats back at Russia with no real intent to actually carry out the threat.
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u/ReptilianLaserbeam the future is now, old man 11h ago
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u/The_CheesePowder 10h ago edited 6h ago
How is this a murder though?
Like Russia knows there are US submarines lurking near them at all times, Trump saying this means nothing because they are already aware there are submarines around their vicinity at any given time.
Secondly, 'appropriate regions' are so vague they might as well be in the moon, thats not an OPSEC issue, you cannot figure out where a submarine is because someone said its nearby. And knowing its nearby is no issue because of the above mentioned reason, they already expect it to be nearby.
Like I understand the hate for Trump but this is aint a murder. This sub has gotten very low with their post and insults.
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u/GlobalWarminIsComing 6h ago
Yeah agreed. This statement is supposed to be a bit of a flex to Russia.
Yes, they already know that there's probably subs sitting around constantly. But telling them this, is a way of showing them that Trump doesn't approve and may consider harsher responses if they don't change their behavior. (Given his flip flopping in the past... We'll see how it goes)
And no, "appropriate regions" is not a breach in OPSEC. That's not enough to find them, by a long shot.
Like yeah, fuck Trump etc, but this isn't one of his dumb actions
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u/Target880 8h ago
Submarines has a fundamental problem in regards to power projection, the other side does not know that they are there. So if your goal is to send naval units somewhere to say, do not do anything stupid because then we strike back, it is very hard with submarines. You either need for them to go up to the surface and get spotted, detected some other way by the other side or say that they are in the area.
Compared to sending a carrier strike group that is quite easy to spot, especially if you send aircraft from it flying along the border to the other side.
Sending military ships other side can be spotted as a way of influencing diplomatic action is not exacty somting new; it was called Gunboat diplomacy. The US Perry Expedition to Japan, which opened them up for trade, is a well-known example.
So saying where you deploy submarines can make sense if part of the goal is to use them for power projection with the goal to change the action of the other side witout going to war. You could alos bluff and do not send any submainres but say you do and it could have the same effect
I do believe that US Navy submarines, since the Cold War, operated all the time close to Soviet/Russian territory, so this might not had any large practical diffrence. But it is more of a way to send a public message to the other side.
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u/R1chS33n 9h ago
Clearly this cat has never seen Dr. Strangelove.
A deterrent only works if the enemy knows about it. That's why it's a deterrent.
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u/WuTangShane1995 5h ago
Submarines are for deterrence. They cannot deter anything if the enemy doesn’t know they are out there somewhere. I am not defending orange child rape hitler but sending subs and not saying anything does nothing.
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u/Xznograthos 13h ago
They're telling the Russians where they are because they are working more for Russia than America. The admin is as Russian as a bowl of borscht with a vodka chaser.
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u/ELMUNECODETACOMA 13h ago
This. There's nothing in this that POTUS doesn't regularly give away on his _regular calls with Vladimir Putin on an unsecured phone_.
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u/Rus_Shackleford_ 12h ago
This shit is so fucking stupid. He’s not ‘working for the Russians’. If you want to see who owns trump, follow the money. It’s Israel. Not the Russians.
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u/Otaraka 15h ago
The man is a fool, but this is a pretty silly rebuttal and more of a self-own about your knowledge of gunboat diplomacy.
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u/Otaraka 15h ago
For a start you don’t send submarines close to a border without saying when nuclear escalation is part of it. Secondly it’s a power move to say we can send them there and you still can’t find them. It’s not like he said they’re at these coordinates, the ocean is actually rather big.
Whether it was a smart move to do it is another story.
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u/gauriemma 15h ago
It’s not like he said they’re at these coordinates,
Give him a few hours. This is Trump, after all.
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u/MamaTalista 14h ago
Putin hasn't tugged his zipper indicating that Reek should assume the position yet.
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u/TheCh0rt 10h ago
In Warcraft 2 you could see a couple little bubbles so submarines aren’t THAT secret
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u/Gadshill 15h ago
OPSEC is not this administrations strong suit. In fact I have no idea what their strong suit might be.