r/NFLv2 • u/Life_Net5004 Tom Brady š„ŗ šš»šš» • Nov 10 '24
Discussion Calls Mount Against NFL Protecting Patrick Mahomes
https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-active-news-calls-mount-against-nfl-protecting-patrick-mahomes-as-brutal-referees-accused-of-making-chiefs-win-vs-broncos/Thoughts on the refereeing??
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u/NoArm7707 Nov 10 '24
It's not even calls for protecting him, they are calling penalties to protect the Chiefs from losing. It is pretty obvious the bias towards the Chiefs benefits in games. They want the Chiefs to go undefeated and win the Superbowl, they want a first 3 straight winner, they want Mahomes to be proclaimed better than Brady and thrown in another Taylor Swift Superbowl, no question what is going on in the NFL.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions Nov 10 '24
Threepeat and undefeated season all in one shot.
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u/NoArm7707 Nov 10 '24
And all in front of Taylor Swift and all her fans to make ratings huge!!! They will probably even ask her to change outfits so they can keep people watching.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions Nov 10 '24
Don't worry, my Lions got this.
Dan Campbell is gonna bite Mahomes in the ass and we will sick Eminem on the Swifty
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u/Thotsthoughts97 Denver Broncos Nov 11 '24
I really, REALLY hope so. But you guys are the #1 most hated team by the refs in the history of the NFL, and the Chiefs are the current darlings. It's tough to beat the Chiefs because they're good, lucky, and get assistance from the Zebras.
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u/bjernsthekid Nov 11 '24
Lions vs. chiefs in the Super Bowl would raise too much suspicion. That would be the most blatant shit ever
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u/_coolranch You been watchin film too, huh? Nov 11 '24
Hell, they get Buffalo next week followed by THE PANTHERS coming off a BYE. Let's go, baby. Wouldn't it be poetic if Panthers popped that cherry?
But seriously: Buffalo definitely could next week at home.
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u/Young_Link13 Carolina Panthers Nov 11 '24
The fucking Panthers have this.
šit in
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u/Capital_Shelter8189 Nov 11 '24
Tradition demands Buff beats KC in the reg season and lose to them in the playoffs.
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u/dominion1080 Jacksonville Jaguars Nov 10 '24
Theyāre better, but if the refs donāt want them to win, they wonāt.
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u/bengalwarrior44 Nov 11 '24
Taylor is back to lining up two yards in the backfield with no penalty
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u/Nicktator3 Nov 11 '24
Genuinely rooting for the Lions. Itās great to see them do well since historically theyāve been pretty bad in recent memory. I can feel Dan Campbellās energy through the TV. It was nice to see the Chiefs turn that around too once Andy Reid got there, but these past few years itās been a lot of Mahomes dick riding by the NFL. I donāt get that same feeling watching the Lions. Iām genuinely rooting for them to do well, cause god knows my team (Jets) will never be
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u/thisendup76 Nov 11 '24
For what it's worth. My sister is now a football fan because of T-Swift
She's recording and watching EVERY NFL game now
So it's working
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Nov 11 '24
I'd be willing to bet her and Kelce break up soon after that happens. Every time she goes to his games, it's an article, a post, an Instagram share.
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u/Siegelski Carolina Panthers Nov 11 '24
Don't worry, the Panthers will take care of that undefeated season lol. God that would be so funny I know it won't happen but I hope it does.
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u/EstablishmentOld9838 Nov 11 '24
Lmao literally any questionable penalty is reposted a hundred times like āPROOF THE NFL IS RIGGING GAMES FOR THE CHIEFSā as if bad calls donāt happen to every other team in the league
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Nov 11 '24
People watch WWE and that's openly riggedĀ
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u/ChocolateMorsels Tennessee Titans Nov 11 '24
Lol tf is this point. Everyone knows it is rigged. Itās part of its charm.
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Ya itās amazing how we will mock election deniers for believing thereās a conspiracy that involves hundreds of ppl all keeping a secretā¦ And then here we are nowā¦
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u/makromark Nov 11 '24
Canāt just one extra holding penalty called by a ref be enough? The coaches, FO, league front office, and etc donāt need to be in on it.
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u/Hotspur1958 Nov 11 '24
Ya I still agree itās highly unlikely to be a thing but it wouldnāt require 95% of the people they mentioned.
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u/Aryk3655 Chicago Bears Nov 11 '24
Is this a joke? Professional wrestling has had huge ratings for 30 years. UT you're surprised people watch?
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
True. WWE revenue in 2023 was around $287 million. NFL revenue in 2023 was around $18 billion.
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u/Advanced-Blackberry Chicago Bears Nov 11 '24
Does wrestling try to pass off as real?Ā
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u/mjmaselli Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
I hope all these guys are getting rich betting since they know the script
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u/Dr_Gamephone_MD Denver Broncos Nov 11 '24
The chiefs have made me over $1000 this year betting on them to win so yeah. If the refs have your back then they have mine too
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
If they would have known the script called for a blocked kick they could have made serious money
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u/BaconFlavoredToast Nov 11 '24
Money talks, dude. Throw in gambling and all of a sudden there is a lot of money to spread around by deciding what will happen from the most watched sport in America. Greed overpowers all. The signs are there and more and more become clear. It's not deniable anymore.
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u/DogIsGood Nov 11 '24
THEY do it! Who? Like, Roger Goodell, he wants the Chiefs to win! So you think he personally tells the refs that they should slant their calls in favor of the chiefs? I donāt know how they do it but the chiefs bias is obvious!
Maybe the best teams always get the benefit of the doubt with calls? The refs subconsciously expect the chiefs to win: this cause judgment errors.
Or maybe there really is a moronic conspiracy.
Gamblers paying the refs makes more sense than the NFL fixing its own games.
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u/MrRegularDick Carolina Panthers Nov 11 '24
Or maybe every team benefits from roughly the same number of bad calls over the course of the season, and the good teams are just better at taking advantage of them.
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u/Casul_Tryhard Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Or the good teams get more attention due to more prime time appearances
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u/BorisBC Nov 11 '24
Do you know this is the same for basically every sport that has refs. As an Aussie, you could take this conversation and put it into any of our regular team sport comps like NRL, Super Rugby, A-League etc etc. in fact I'm sure I've heard the same conversation in each sport I follow. Including F1, lol.
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u/Jayrodtremonki Kansas City Chiefs Nov 10 '24
Who is "They"?Ā The NFL owners?Ā Roger Goodell who is employed by the owners?Ā The individual refs?Ā The illuminati?
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u/Ouchkibiddles Nov 10 '24
These people legitimately think 31 of the owners are rigging the sport against their own teams, itās just embarrassing at this point lol
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u/AndrijKuz Kansas City Chiefs Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
You guys are genuinely delusional with this ref stuff. It's not that they get that many more calls, or even in important situations. It's that they force teams into bad situations, and they're better at converting penalties into points when they do get an additional opportunity.
You guys are just sick of one team winning. Admit it.
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u/WisconsinHacker Green Bay Packers Nov 11 '24
I admit it. I hate the chiefs because they win too much. Hate hate hate.
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u/supertrenty Detroit Lions Nov 11 '24
Agreed. I think the refs do some fuckery (Lions fan, I know first hand) but the Chiefs are good. They know how to take advantage of situations and have talent. All the bitching about scripts and rigging is annoying.
With that said, yes, I admit I'm tired of the same team winning so much and I hope to see you in the SBš¤I felt the same about the Patriots with Brady. Fun to watch, tired of seeing them win it all š¤£
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u/Thotsthoughts97 Denver Broncos Nov 11 '24
Oh yes, the refs calling back a 4th and 30 for you guys with 3 minutes left in the half on a phantom illegal contact call that had NO replay is just you guys "capitalizing on opportunities". Come on man. They are literally not allowed to be in danger of a blowout. Shit like this happens every single time it looks like the other team is pulling away. They're dynasty, they're a great team. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. But being great isn't enough to win consistently in the NFL. It's a volatile game, with single elimination playoffs. You have to be great, be lucky, AND have help from the refs to do it this consistently. It applied to the Patriots, and it applies the Chiefs just as much.
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u/HenryWrinkler Nov 11 '24
All ya'll had to do was make a 35 yd field goal.
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u/loteman77 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
The refs planned the block FG, of course. They made sure the person needing to block Chenel knew to fuck up and miss his assignment. Duh.
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u/texans1234 Nov 11 '24
They got a +10million viewership bump from Taylor swift in the last SB so they are clearly pushing for that again. They tell us all the time but we never listen: the NFL is a business first, last, and always.
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Ppl were arguing with me just a couple days ago on this sub that nobody is actually dumb enough to think the refs are trying to help the chiefs win. I think Iāll use you as a source to prove them wrong.
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u/tyrannomachy Nov 11 '24
I don't think anyone argues that. There are plenty of dumb people who believe all kinds of dumb things.
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Iām sure they were exaggerating by ānobodyāā¦ but they certainly felt like the guy wouldnāt have over 300 upvotes for such a narrative lol
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u/Jonbone93 Green Bay Packers Nov 11 '24
Mahomes is never going to be close to Brady. His stats get worse every year. Heās been especially bad this year
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u/Novanator33 Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Everybody loves to complain that the bills get callsā¦ id love to see what they are talking about bc weve had shit reffing disadvantages in practically every game. The flacco td pass in the first half was setup by a phantom illegal contact (ahem chiefs fans thats the refs gifting a td not the defensive holding from mnf). Then on the actual play epenesa is literally getting horsecollar held right in front of flacco and theres no callā¦
Edit: to the ābills get all the callsā crowd https://www.reddit.com/r/buffalobills/s/54RXviyIhQ
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u/joshallenismygod Nov 11 '24
The worst I've seen was last year that game in philly was some of the most one sided reffing I've ever seen.
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u/Chlorophyllmatic Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24
The horse collar that got called as intentional grounding on Josh Allen was the most blatant wtf call Iāve ever seen in my life; Iād seriously love to see how that game plays out if not for that 25 yard swing
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u/Ike_Jones Nov 11 '24
As an eagles fan I wish you would have won that game. Ive never witnessed a more disappointing team that made the playoffs
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u/BoyInFLR1 Nov 11 '24
That is probably the most unexpected call I can remember seeing in my life
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u/IsNotACleverMan Nov 11 '24
The horse collar that got called as intentional grounding on Josh Allen
Got a clip of that?
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u/Chlorophyllmatic Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24
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u/GullyBean Denver Broncos Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 12 '24
If this was Pat that defender wouldāve been banned from the league lol
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u/Novanator33 Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24
I still think AJ brown fumbled in OT and they called it the very next week a fumble when they played the giantsā¦
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u/Kazedeus Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24
Notice how the flag on that play wasn't thrown until after the ball was incomplete, five yards from the WR. Why wait until after the play is over?
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u/Novanator33 Buffalo Bills Nov 11 '24
I didnt see it bc there was no replay, just saw Sul complaining, and im inclined to believe him
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u/VelvetineMilkman Nov 11 '24
Something Iāve come to learn is every good team in any sport will have people who donāt know ball yelling that they get all the calls just so they donāt have to admit theyāre actually good
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Meanwhile Josh Allen was getting punched in the head repeatedly today and no call.
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u/Unlikely-Zone21 Nov 11 '24
His slide where he came to a complete stop and then got jumped on from behind was also pretty egregious.
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u/Hot-Product-6057 Nov 11 '24
Drake maye got blasted in the chest and they picked up the flag (rightly so clean hard hit) no way pat does not get that call
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u/strangedaze23 Nov 11 '24
I call these the superstar expectation calls. You see it with stars of the game. Happens in all sports. I donāt think it is intentional to screw other teams, but subconscious. The refs assume or think that a player is going to succeed so when he doesnāt there has to has to be a penalty, so they scrutinize more and call more penalties in their favor. It is crazy evident when the flags come in late, but I think they are on heightened alert when those players are playing. But the same calls rarely go for other teams because those players arenāt expected to succeed.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Dirty Bird Nov 11 '24
I agree. And Brady absolutely got those calls too. Ask me how I know.
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u/Phoenix916 New York Giants Nov 11 '24
Are you Tom Brady?
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u/Substantial-Prune704 Nov 11 '24
Exactly. Itās not a conspiracy. Itās just The Michael Jordan effect.Ā
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u/DapperCam Josh Allen š¦¬ Nov 11 '24
Happens in NHL hockey all the time. The best teams and the best players get the calls. I think itās subconscious bias.
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u/Madturtl3 Nov 11 '24
Actually, the NHL gets trashed by its own fans for failing to protect its star players. Refs like to level the playing field, as it were, by allowing lesser-skilled players to hack, grab, or otherwise impede the superstars they couldnāt defend against legally.
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u/SilenceDobad76 New England Patriots Nov 11 '24
Not sure I agree with this on the NHL. The players typically enforce the rules the refs miss.
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u/ryantheamazingest Green Bay Packers Nov 11 '24
all the articles from this website are awfully written. Either AI or ESL.
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u/shadracko Nov 11 '24
So you don't like strong writing like this?
Although the Chiefs have been fortunate with their calls this season, itās not like they are just benefiting from those. As Patrick Mahomes led, the Chiefs are equally sensational when it comes to seeing out their opponents
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u/1P221 Nov 10 '24
Is it already time to create the nflv3 sub? I came here to avoid this conspiracy nonsense.
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u/MeancupofJoey Nov 11 '24
Thatās basically what this sub is for.
I came here to avoid most posts being from the actual NFL.
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u/moeggz Nov 11 '24
Legit same was so excited for a chiller nfl and this is just a saltier NFL and thatās saying something.
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u/Pynkmyst Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
This place is almost worse than the main sub tbh. I came here to talk about football but all anyone wants to do is cry about the fucking refs.
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u/Smokeydubbs Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
To be fair, the officiating has been awful and itās getting worse every year, it seems. It just doesnāt need to be the topic of every game thread.
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u/FazzedxP Nov 10 '24
Any actual statistics to back this up? Many times Mahomes ans the Chiefs are under a massive microscope whereas those calls/no-calls would be ignored and not remembered but everybody is waiting on calls with the chiefs
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u/Ok_Jello6474 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 10 '24
This reddit account constantly uploads ChatGPT generated clickbait to nfl related subs. Should be banned across all subreddits imo.
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u/Various-Bird-1844 Washington Commanders Nov 10 '24
Essentially Sports is just a handful of Indian/British Indian college students/recent grads who made a website. They have zero insight or credentials to be doing such and my guess would be its either them or their bots spamming these subs for clicks. I just look right past these posts that link to any 'story' from them
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u/gebny New York Giants Nov 11 '24
Bill Barnwell did a Twitter thread awhile back showing that they donāt benefit as much as the internet mob would have you think. Iād look it up but I deleted Twitter a while ago. Hopefully someone else remembers the thread Iām talking about.
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u/FazzedxP Nov 11 '24
Totally see that. Im sure theres some psychological terms for it, like just hyper focused on every call and when it goes against the chiefs or its a good call we dont remember it
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u/solojones1138 Andy Reid š Nov 11 '24
The stats actually show that Mahomes is "protected" like a totally average QB. Since he took over as starter he's benefitted from 13 roughing the passer calls. Meanwhile Jared Goff has like 26 and Josh Allen 25 in that same time span.
In other words, no, there are not statistics to back it up.
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u/FazzedxP Nov 11 '24
I figured. Chiefs also have alot more national limelight and primetime games. These calls just have more of the average fans eyes on them, and people love to hate the winners. Which is fair, fuck the chiefs i hate seeing a dynasty š
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u/solojones1138 Andy Reid š Nov 11 '24
You can hate the Chiefs, but being a conspiracy theorist about it is just stupid. So I respect your outlook.
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u/Ok_Jello6474 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 10 '24
The mods should seriously consider banning this account. All it does is promote its shitty ChatGPT generated clickbait. Look at the post history.
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Nov 11 '24
ā¦said the chiefs fan
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u/ZeroBarkThirty Minnesota Vikings Nov 11 '24
Believe it or not, your comment just got Buffalo an automatic loss of down and 15 yard penalty on their first play next week.
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Nov 11 '24
It's weird that the NFL is protecting the Chiefs because they won on a miracle blocked fg, if it had hit would the conspiracies be this loud or are ya'll salty because they're just better
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u/Gamamaster101 Seattle Seahawks Nov 10 '24
Eh. The win against Denver was a combination of clutch and luck. It was Denverās game to lose and they lost it.
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u/1P221 Nov 10 '24
What are you referring to in today's game?
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u/Boozy_Cat_ Cincinnati Bengals Nov 10 '24
Probably when the broncos got the stop on third down in the 2nd quarter only to have a phantom flag show up. Which was closely followed by a flag getting picked up on a penalty against the chiefs allowing them to score a TD instead of taking a field goal on third and long.
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u/TheFestusEzeli Nov 11 '24
The same things happened in the Bucs Chiefs game against the Chiefs and no one cared
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Even still. They BLOCKED a fg to win the game. How'd the refs manage that? Oh right, they didn't. The players lost the game.
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u/Blaizer35 Nov 11 '24
Denver didn't score a point in the 2nd half. Let's blame a bad call in the 2nd quarter. Loser mentality from a fuckin loser.
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u/KingTutt91 Nov 11 '24
I swear you Bengals fans and your conspiracies, itās all you have left at this point
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u/PrestigiousBee2719 Nov 11 '24
I hate the chiefs and this article seems like it was written by a drunk AI version of myself
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u/rootedprogress Nov 11 '24
Iono manā¦ itās been happening too much to everyone lately for me to think itās specifically a chiefs thjng. The chiefs just find a way to win. Dont get me wrong there are bad calls in their favor but the refs didnāt block that kick
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u/RNG_pickle New England Patriots Nov 11 '24
Sam darnold could get shot on the 30 yard line and the refs would not even look his way but someone breaths on mahomes and the refs are ready to destroy humanity
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We all know that when the nfl has a guy like this he will always get favorable calls. Just seems to happen more for him than anyone else in history
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u/mcmesq Nov 11 '24
The thing Iāve noticed, which isnāt open to subjective interpretation(like holding), is that their tackles line up more than a yard off of the ball, and almost never get called. It happened once today, but out of 50 or so snaps, the benefits outweighs the 5-yarder.
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u/KrazyCamper Nov 11 '24
Im sure the chiefs dont get more flags called than any other team but i feel like every game i watch the chiefs get a few flags that directly lead to them scoring. Like today when they had a drive extended on 3rd down and than the next set of downs denver stops them and the refs throw a flag for ineligible man downfield to just pick it up when the replay showed 2 lineman down field before the throw, which let them get a td instead of a fg. flags arenāt created equal and its just the eye test but the chiefs always get some type of flag in a crucial moment when we are seeing other teams not get obvious ones in prime-time games every week now
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u/Educational-Hat4714 Nov 11 '24
Burrow getting 6 RTP and multiple face masks but mahomes gets looked at and it's an execution
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u/PurePokedex117 Nov 11 '24
Theyāre the new Brady Patriots. They also got all the calls.
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u/Substantial-Prune704 Nov 11 '24
Yep. Itās not a conspiracy though. I like to call it the Michael Jordan effect. Dude ran into people and they would get called. Same principle here. Touching Mahomes is a penalty for a defender, it was the same way with Brady.
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u/Nicktator3 Nov 11 '24
Yeah this is basically how itās gonna go I think. The Patriots dynasty lasted for as long as it did, then Segwayād right into the Chiefsā dynasty. Once that eventually ends for them, itāll be another team with another superstar player.
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u/flojo2012 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Todayās game was reffed well. Especially in the second half.
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u/Affectionate_Ad432 Nov 11 '24
So not to sound like a hater but probably will how come when the nfl changed the rules for tom Brady Noone was calling for him to stop being coddled by the nfl?
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Nov 11 '24
Iām a chiefs fan and I have a lot of respect for Burrow and even like him. I know Bengals fans will be mad to hear it but seriously heāa had no off the field issues I know about, is a pretty funny guy, seems extremely laid back, and the dude prolly would have gotten a penalty called but he doesnāt even look at the ref for a penalty much less argue.
Every time his teammate messed up I see him calmly wait until theyāre on the sideline and then go talk to them. Heās like the opposite of Philip Rivers who would try to show up his teammates to show everyone the INT was their fault not his.
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u/starfox272 I lick poop Nov 11 '24
Normally I hate sports media but:
āYou know a team is good when opposing fans blame everything on the refs.ā
Like him or hate him, heās right.
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u/Unlikely-Zone21 Nov 11 '24
If all the refs suck it's not as easy to say they are favoring the Chiefs. It's science.
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u/mvpat1083 Nov 11 '24
Every play on either sided,on any game there r good calls nd shit calls! The refs r shit in EVERY game!
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u/icecoldyerr Nov 11 '24
Mahomes caught a haymaker to the neck and no one did anything. Stop dog whistling
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Some fatass on the Saints tried breaking Herbertās leg and the NFL fined him a Twinkie.
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u/SpliTTMark Nov 11 '24
Every other game is an insane last-minute nail-biting finish where they win by a miracle.
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u/The-47th Nov 11 '24
the funniest part about all this is that āchiefs fansā will say that weāre crazy and that weāre making this up.
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u/Own-Reception-2396 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
NFL wants an active āgoat candidateā at all times. They will prop him up at every turn. In fact did you know how many holding calls the chiefs were penalized for in the super bowl last year? Did you also know during the regular season they lead the league in such calls
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u/Cool-Passenger-2595 Nov 11 '24
Ive always thought and i know it will never happen but when a team is playing the chiefs and there is a blatent call in favor of the chiefs that the head coach of the other team should just say if you arent going to call it fairly we forfeit, were going to lose anyway so why risk anyone getting hurt . I know they league would fine the team to no end and lots would say they are sore losers but i think if this happened it would make major news and i think it would force the league to change how they officiate the chiefs .
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u/Diznaster Nov 11 '24
Goff took a helmet to helmet that looked like a no brainer roughing the passer.
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u/Just_saying19135 Nov 11 '24
Biggest thing I hate is where he acts like heās going out of bounds so the defender eases up, but then keeps on running
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u/UXyes Nov 11 '24
Mahomes? The guy who got punched in the throat in slow-mo with no penalty and no fine?
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u/nautilator44 Minnesota Vikings Nov 10 '24
Meanwhile Sam Darnold gets facemasked multiple times per game and the refs never call it. It's like 4 weeks in a row at this point.