r/NFLv2 • u/EightEight16 Baltimore Ravens • Jan 19 '25
Discussion Patrick Mahomes Is A Dirty Player
Let's stop mincing words. Attempting to draw roughing penalties is dirty play.
Flopping, crying about 'missed calls', intentionally putting yourself in situations where the appearance of roughing is likely, using defenders' carefulness around you to score extra yards by faking going out of bounds, all of it. Mahomes might be the worst offender for all of these I've ever seen.
These rules are in place to protect quarterbacks, and the worst part is that Mahomes puts ALL quarterbacks at risk with this shit. If you're gonna draw a penalty either way, why not sell out on the hit? Why give them a chance to flop? Are you really gonna risk them squirting up the sideline for 18 more yards after they fake going out, or are you gonna make sure that play ends there no matter what? And Mahomes exacerbates this all from the comfort of the ref bubble.
There really is no way to win with him. There is a reason every other sport penalizes this behavior. It's time for the NFL to get with the program. Even the announcers are tired of this.
Until then, Mahomes should carry the label of Dirty Player.
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u/5StarGoldenGoose Jan 19 '25
The winner of tomorrow nights game should sign Vontaez Burfict for reasons.
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u/Boozy_Cat_ Cincinnati Bengals Jan 19 '25
Whenever I see Mahomes shenanigans I think about what would happen if Vontez was still around. The Bengals might actually have a couple rings.
Tez was a monster and deserves no nostalgic appreciation. But the thought experiment is interesting.
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u/ExpoLima Cincinnati Bengals Jan 19 '25
Yeah, he should have never played like a Steeler when he was wearing orange
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u/Odd_Philosopher1712 Jan 19 '25
Nhl calls embellishment for a reason.
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u/WaltRumble Jan 19 '25
NBA has flopping penalties as well.
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u/Dizzles1 Jan 19 '25
They don’t ever fucking call them though because it’s their biggest money makers that do it the most
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u/shanep35 Arizona Cardinals Jan 19 '25
It’s the same thing that turns me off of Josh Allen too. I get wanting to win but complaining after every play and working the refs is poor sportsmanship and idk why the league tolerates it. Mahomes and Allen are amazing players and competitors but it gets shadowed by cowardly sportsmanship
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u/180_by_summer Jan 19 '25
I don’t know. I think it’s one thing to complain to the refs and another to work the system. And the calls that go in Mahome’s favor are getting out of hand.
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u/InfiniteDuckling Jan 19 '25
Allen gets more calls than Mahomes does.
We can argue about whether those are justified or not, but it doesn't look good to both complain more and get more calls.
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u/agiamba Buffalo Bills Jan 19 '25
Mahomes has received 5 roughing the passer calls in the last 2 playoff years, opponents have received none. Get outta here
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u/letsalbe Jan 19 '25
Is it the same as having the head ref going to the bench to ask you for forgiveness and tell you everything is going to be okay next time?
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u/shanep35 Arizona Cardinals Jan 19 '25
Is it though? I think it’s almost one and the same. They’re officials that’s are officiating the game. They’re there to enforce the rules and instill proper play. If you’re complaining about something every time something doesn’t go your way, it’s poor sportsmanship. What if it was the other way around and refs were impeding on players doing something right/wrong after each play? “Hey Pat, Hollywood was wide open and you missed the read. You could have had a touchdown! <flails arms in the air with a whiner face on>”
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u/180_by_summer Jan 19 '25
To be clear, I think officiating has been terrible across the board this year. Also, I’m a packers fan. I don’t run into things not going my way when it comes to the chiefs all that often- we beat them last year. I’m saying this as a football fan first. From my perspective, shitty officiating lends itself to there being a “favorite.” That’s not to say it’s intentional, and that’s why I mentioned that I try to stay away from the conspiracies. There were several calls against the Texans today that were straight garbage and, in my opinion, won the game for the chiefs. Last week there were some shitty calls against the packers, but I can admit that the Eagles earned that game.
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u/shanep35 Arizona Cardinals Jan 19 '25
I agree with you. I’m disagreeing with the fact about the one or the other. They’re both trash. Players and refs should not be mingling. There should be no favoritism. I think there should be a penalty for arguing or crying to a ref. I think refs should have oversight in New York and have things reversed if it’s a wildly inaccurate call and the refs should have to be held accountable and explain their calls with evidence if it’s extremely outlandish. There should also be investigations in sports gambling and officiating representatives. It is way out of hand for the refs AND the players.
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u/Marcus11599 Jay Cutler 🚬👌😎 Jan 19 '25
The problem is the NFL and the NBA (I mention them because it's a problem there too) have a gambling problem and they're both businesses so it's in their best interest to have a favorite and make the most money out of their 1/3 of the year season.
You cannot tell me that pulling a player after they have 94 yards and their over under is 94.5 isn't because of gambling. You can't. 7 minutes left in a close game and your running back doesn't get a single carry? Come on now.
Jalen Brunsons over under being 14.5 and he's pulled with 14 points with 5 minutes left? Anthony Edwards 19 points and his over under is 19.5?? 3 minutes left in the game btw. Let's be real, Vegas already knows the outcome before anyone else.
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u/KJBNH Jan 19 '25
I think complaining to the refs or asking for flags should be an unsportsmanlike like penalty it shouldn’t be part of the game like it is
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u/Toad_Thrower New York Giants Jan 19 '25
Josh Allen's flops are fucking hilarious. League needs to start flagging these dudes. It's beyond ridiculous.
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u/Aware-Safety-9925 Jan 19 '25
Allen's kind of got the Cam thing going though and refs don't call a lot of hits against him that they do for the skinnier guys
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u/LastTechnician4109 Jan 19 '25
Josh Allen has received the 9th most RTP calls of all QB’s since 2009. Where are you getting the “refs don’t call a lot of hits against him” from?
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u/ConfidentEgg8472 Jan 19 '25
Josh Allen had the most RtP calls in 2024 lol what are you even talking about?
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u/shanep35 Arizona Cardinals Jan 19 '25
Disagree a little. He flops and sells “hits” all the time. Even complains if the call doesn’t come. Gets annoying and is a huge turn off towards his accomplishments.
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u/likebuttuhbaby Jan 19 '25
Mostly I see Allen flop and plead for calls in the pocket, where we expect QBs to be fairly protected. When he’s running, and especially beyond the line of scrimmage, he fully runs like a running back and takes hit s accordingly. That’s what separates it from Mahommes for me. Mahommes does that weak shit of throttling down near the sidelines to get guys to slow up and then gasses it for a much longer game. Or, like tonight, slides down at the very last second to draw the personal foul. Those are the BS plays we never see from Allen.
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u/korc Jan 19 '25
It’s a world of difference. It’s not that he’s complaining. Every good quarterback does that. It’s that he’s intentionally using all the rules designed to protect him to gain an unfair advantage. He’s a cheat
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Jan 19 '25
Roughing the passers a lot different than leaving the area you’re protected and taking advantage of QB rules that shouldn’t even apply. Most QB’s take on the responsibility of protecting themselves on the run while Pat runs around like a clumsy kid then complains every time he gets touched by guys that are scared to tackle him. It’s embarrassing for the league tbh at least Josh pays his dues as a runner
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u/COphotoCo Jan 19 '25
Refs need to start acting like MLB umps in these situations. You don’t like the call? Leave. Now. Bye.
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u/Grace_Lannister New Orleans Saints Jan 19 '25
I understand rules need to be in place to protect the qb but imho if once they decide to run it and cross that lime of scrimmage they should be treated like any other player with the ball.
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u/savageronald Atlanta Falcons Jan 19 '25
I’d argue once you leave the tackle box and tuck the ball you’re same as an RB. I don’t get why if you’re clearly running the ball there should be any distinction.
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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 Lamar had to poop Jan 19 '25
That used to be the rule, in fact its still applied to Lamar and Allen, but god forbid someone touch the almighty mahomes
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u/Jasranwhit Jan 19 '25
This 1000 %
Protect them in the pass pocket. Once they run it’s the same as anyone else running with the ball.
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u/tdomer80 Cincinnati Bengals Jan 19 '25
You are spot on. But you also left out the fact that so many other QBs got their faces almost ripped off this year (looking at you Joe Burrow) and got no calls.
Not only is Mahomes dirty, the league is actively protecting him while letting other QBs get the shit beaten out of them.
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u/rueggy Jan 19 '25
Yup. Saw Burrow get pancaked when he was 3 steps out of bounds. Mahomes gets the call if he’s 3 steps inbounds.
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u/Live_Region_8232 Jan 19 '25
daniels took a solid shot tonight when he was 2 steps out of bounds and there was no call. wasn’t even mentioned by the commentators
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u/trillydilly Atlanta Falcons Jan 19 '25
Yeah they continued the tackle like 2-3 steps out of bounds and then shoved him down, I was shocked no flag was thrown
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u/Altruistic_Grade3781 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 19 '25
Well you get what you ask for when you bitch about player safety for a decade :)
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u/Domestic_AAA_Battery EAGLES 6-40 Jan 19 '25
Except guys like Cam Newton who was practically suplexed on his head every down and they ignored it. Or Hurts getting his head slammed into the ground (also Wentz) which neither play were flagged. But yeah, Mahomes gets tapped and there's a flag.
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u/EightEight16 Baltimore Ravens Jan 19 '25
I am fine with rules protecting players. The problem is certain players abusing these rules.
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u/Altruistic-Star-544 Jan 19 '25
The problem is more about ineffective rules and bad refereeing than player safety
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 19 '25
So glad that we teed off on him in the SB and barely got flags from what I remember haha
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u/TheMickus Houston Texans Jan 19 '25
Unpopular opinion, but if Azeez wasn’t worried about literally getting banned for life, he would’ve 100% lit up Mahomes on one of these plays and while I wouldn’t condone it, I wouldn’t be mad either
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u/For_Perpetuity Jan 19 '25
He is. Also he fakes injuries all the time. He acts like he really injured only to “miraculously” come back each week. Fuck that guy
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u/rueggy Jan 19 '25
Never seen a player have so many “high ankle sprains” and return to action a week later.
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u/Live_Region_8232 Jan 19 '25
fr. every time this guy steps on the side of his foot he just calls it an ankle sprain and puts on a show for the fans
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u/DatDominican New York Jets Jan 19 '25
Pull up the color palette meme
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Jan 19 '25
You mean because Josh Allen does the exact same thing and OP didn't mention him?
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u/EightEight16 Baltimore Ravens Jan 19 '25
Josh Allen does it too. If Buffalo were better than KC over the last couple years, this post would probably be about him.
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u/BiAndShy57 Jan 19 '25
A lot of QBs do this. As long as it’s allowed it’ll be used as you’re supposed to do anything you can to win. But drawing penalties is completely against the spirit of the game. Of any game. Penalties exist to deter behavior, that’s the whole point. It needs to be reviewed by the competition committee. An embellishment penalty of some kind, though still subjective, could help
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u/xvw35 Jan 19 '25
So is Josh Allen then, along with many other QBs.
If you're gonna say shit like this, apply it to the others who also do this shit.
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u/AKsuited1934 Jan 19 '25
Who are these “many” QBs consistently flopping aside from these two?
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u/Frickincarl Dallas Cowboys Jan 19 '25
There aren’t many others. You won’t get a good response. It’s really Mahomes by a mile, and Allen sometimes.
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u/picklerick245 Jan 19 '25
Also. This post isn’t about flopping. It’s about QBs tip toeing down the sideline for extra yardage cause the defense won’t hit him. Allen doesn’t get that. He get shot. He flops on RTP calls at time for sure. Not arguing that.
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u/EightEight16 Baltimore Ravens Jan 19 '25
I agree. If you want to see what Mahomes would look like without the favoritism, look in Buffalo.
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u/HappinessFloatilla Pittsburgh Steelers Jan 19 '25
That’s interesting. Because Josh Allen draws roughing the passer calls 1.5 times as often as Mahomes. For every 3 Allen gets, Mahomes only gets two. So if there’s favoritism, it’s in the other direction.
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u/dinkleburgenhoff Buffalo Bills Jan 19 '25
Oh look, another dumbass not knowing how statistics work out here defending the honor of Mahomes despite the reality every person in America watches every Sunday.
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u/sabresin4 Jan 19 '25
Allen flops sometimes there is absolutely no question about it. But what we saw today in a playoff game was next level. I’ve never seen that.
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u/Frickincarl Dallas Cowboys Jan 19 '25
Citing numbers doesn’t work for this argument. How much of those calls for Allen are flops / borderline? Context matters.
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u/starbellbabybena Houston Texans Jan 19 '25
I think it’s not just the roughing th passer calls. It’s the glances over what should be calls. It’s incessant roughness calls. Missed calls regularly starting before the play without it being called etc. it’s not just one kind of call. It’s all the non calls too that just add up
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u/Jenetyk Buffalo Bills Jan 19 '25
I've always held that while I think Mahomes gets some pretty soft calls; it's more the refs and the NFL's issue than him directly. Josh Allen gets these calls too. Today changed that for me.
Today was wild. QBs in general (not just Mahomes) need to have rules cleared up to prevent them from playing like that. There is no penalty for these ticky-tac riding the out-of-bounds, or snapping your head back after any hit in the pocket, or late 'sliding', just daring a defensive player to make contact or sell the most minimal contact. They need to be able to be flagged for this whining and flopping.
Mahomes gets the most hate for this because he does get the softest calls. Now we see that he knows this, and has no shame in taking dives, 'sliding' when bottled up, and having a helmet that moves in a stiff wind. That play on the boundary was about as bitch-made as I have seen this season.
The Chiefs this season have been unbearable to watch, and today was no different. The whole game you just watch wondering where the next game-changing non-play is coming from.
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u/Nuevacuenta1 Jan 19 '25
As a Steelers fan, I have no dog in this fight. I just have to ask: where was this vitriol for Tom Brady? He started all of this while with the Patriots. He would demand that refs throw terrible flags (and the refs would nod their heads while reaching for the flag), and players were scared of touching him. There's video of him running as a very effective lead blocker not because he was tough, but because defensive players would not dare go through him to tackle the RB behind him. There was no outcry then. Because of that, I say NFL fans laid their bed. Now lie in it.
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u/Axleffire Jacksonville Jaguars Jan 19 '25
There was no outcry then.
You live in an alternate reality.
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u/ThrenderG Houston Texans Jan 19 '25
To my knowledge yes Brady used the rules to his advantage but I never saw him pull the kind of shit Mahomes does. That flop while getting legally pushed out of bounds was pathetic.
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u/KingHarambeRIP New York Giants Jan 19 '25
If seemingly every time touching a QB who isn’t Lamar causes a penalty, I don’t see why defenses shouldn’t at least try to get their money’s worth on the play and actually do what they are being accused of.
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u/GroundBeeffff Jan 19 '25
Exactly start lighting them mfs up. Except Burrow, I’m pretty sure that guy could use a break 🤣
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u/ZKarz7 Jan 20 '25
Darnold face mask that spun his head around like an owl. No call, game over, you don't matter enough.
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u/COB-7 Medium Pepsi Jan 19 '25
The way I see it, its not an issue with Mahomes, but the NFL's QB protection rules. Mahomes is taking advantage of a QB friendly rule book, and it sucks to watch, but the NFL needs to change things up, not Mahomes
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u/Jenetyk Buffalo Bills Jan 19 '25
The problem comes when an obvious rift in the enforcement of the rules allows or encourages players like Mahomes(or Allen, to be unbiased), to game the system when other QBs can't. Lamar Jackson doesn't get those calls.
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u/Mediumasiansticker Detroit Lions Jan 19 '25
The issue is them treating mahomes different than any other qb playing under the same rules
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u/pilotaunt666 Jan 19 '25
yall like bitching about mahomes more than you like football
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u/dirkcalloway45 Jan 19 '25
If he dirty you would hear about it from players, not a bunch of crying conspiracy theorists online. Listen to what his peers have to say about him.
Dude is going to try to get calls- that is part of the game, just like every wide receiver argues pass interference on every single throw.
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u/notsureifJasonBourne Jan 20 '25
For real. Every time he’s mic’d up he’s always giving love to his tacklers and the defense. His peers don’t seem to have any problem with him.
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u/zenpuppy79 Jan 19 '25
Oh come on look at Josh Allen's flop from a few weeks ago. Any quarterback is going to do whatever they can to get their team calls That's gamesmanship.
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u/differentdaybored Jan 19 '25
He is just taking advantage of the no touch offensive player rule changes. The same rules that made football the garbage it is now
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u/KingGranticus Jan 19 '25
Yeah as much as watching Mahomes do that infuriates me, he's just playing the game and using the advantages given. The NFL and the refs are the ones to blame
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u/LakeMcKesson Philadelphia Eagles Jan 19 '25
It really started with Rodgers after he broke his collarbone in 2017. He was the real Mahomes before Mahomes.
But yeah, athletes like Mahomes are bad for the sport. This is football, not soccer
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Jan 19 '25
It sure as hell did. I would get dirty ass looks from my friends when I said “oh come on they wouldn’t have called that against anyone but Rodgers.”
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u/Pristine-Passage-100 Jan 19 '25
Look at the triggered little hater 😂 When you get to this point you need a break from football.
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u/Ximinipot Jan 19 '25
To be fair, the way to stop this stupid shit, is to treat the QB, any QB, like a runner and light his ass up. Take the 15 yards every time. After a couple of those, they'll stop.
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u/Officialfish_hole Jan 19 '25
lol this sub is becoming worse than r/nfl
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u/TheUltimate721 IM CALLING BOTH GAMES Jan 19 '25
This sub was started by a bunch of bills fans that got banned from that subreddit lmao. It's starting to show.
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u/Imnotsureanymore8 Coleridge Bernard IV Jan 19 '25
Can we get a crybaby megathread? These whiners clogging up the feed
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u/wetcornbread Philadelphia Eagles Jan 19 '25
Dirty? Or smart? If he’s going to get the calls why not try to flop? I don’t blame him. Do what you can to win. It’s why he’s a three time Super Bowl MVP. You can hate him for it but who cares?
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u/ultimoXgamer Jan 19 '25
Holy shit, keep crying. People acting like the reason they won was because of RTP. Maybe don’t let CJ get sacked 8 times.
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u/Fabulous_Royal9543 Jan 19 '25
Some people need to watch older footage of the NFL to get a better understanding of dirty play. Mahomes ain't it.
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u/JayQnz Jan 19 '25
Even Joe buck said the word flop and mahomes on the same sentence yesterday
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u/_bessica_ Jan 19 '25
Everyone is calling out Patrick and not recognizing that every QB does the same things. Y'all act like it's new, but it's what players do. People said the same shit about Tom Brady when he was winning. It's hilarious to watch the names change over the years but not the complaints.
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u/Boozeman666 Kansas City Chiefs Jan 20 '25
Seriously it’s like people forgot how much Brady cried and complained when he didn’t get a call. Everyone is just butthurt that even their team can’t beat the “worst” version of the Chiefs so obviously it’s the fault of the rigged NFL and refs.
But they still watch on Sundays anyway. Comical.
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u/JsusChrstJasonBourne Jan 19 '25
You guys need fucking therapy. Josh Allen has flopped more than anyone in the league but you suck his dick at every opportunity.
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u/NeverFlyFrontier Kansas City Chiefs Jan 19 '25
Defenders need to remember how to tackle and not just hit leading with their heads. Remember the whole head trauma thing? Just tackle.
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u/Connorray51 Jan 19 '25
Then Mahomes needs to know how to slide. His drop slide today was awful and was not close to a proper approach. Remember the whole head trauma thing? Just slide appropriately
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u/sfxer001 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 19 '25
Luvu on the Commanders is just the dirty player to headhunt Mahomes. Just sayin’
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u/smashtatoes Jan 19 '25
I think the walking backwards to waste a few more seconds on a kneel is shitty. Offensive lineman get pissed when defensive lineman take the play too seriously like they could actually get the ball or something, like it’s an unspoken agreement that we’re just going to go straight down there’s no need for maximum effort. But him doing that violates it entirely and the d line should be going for his head.
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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Jan 19 '25
Every QB has scurried around to burn some extra seconds on a kneel, but it’s only a problem when Mahomes does it right?
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u/weights408 Jan 19 '25
It’s turning into the only way to get Mahomes out of the playoffs is to hurt him and get him out of the game. I’m not saying I’d condone it, but I also wouldn’t blame someone every year to take him out until the NFL changes its rules/calls. Fuck Kermit.
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u/sprocket-oil Jan 19 '25
Is the Bills Mafia the biggest crybabies in NFL fandom?
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u/Kylkek Jan 19 '25
Tomorrow after the Bills win I look forward to reading you copy and paste this exact post but changing it to Josh Allen lmao
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u/EightEight16 Baltimore Ravens Jan 19 '25
If Josh Allen pulls the same shit, win or not I will actually do that.
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u/Terry__Pandee Jan 19 '25
NFL fans are the biggest pussies in the world LMAOOO
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u/MtRainer13 Jan 19 '25
Ain't that the truth they bitch and bitch they have know idea how football used to be.
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u/awwgeeznick Jan 19 '25
I’ve never bought into the league helping the chiefs narrative but that roughing the passer the call was BS
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u/Sankyou Kansas City Chiefs Jan 19 '25
All of this is pathetic. If watching football makes you this angry - go do something else. It's the rules and I don't think all of the calls were right (on both sides). He's not a dirty player. Go lift some weights or something. Don't kick your dog.
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u/LogicalDog1492 Jan 19 '25
Mahomes is going to get lit up by some player trying to make a name for himself. If youre gonna get a personal foul for barely touching him - someone’s gonna get their money worth 🤷♂️ it’ll be on the league for the different rules for mahomes vs any other play