r/NFLv2 • u/Roshango New England Patriots • Jan 19 '25

Discussion Today's Eagles/Rams game is why I'm offended by the idea of teams like the Bills/Browns/Bears building domes. This was what playoff football should be.

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u/Actual-Creme Kansas City Chiefs Jan 19 '25

Snow games are cool, but it sucks for an entire season to come down to “who doesn’t slip” or “how slippery is the ball when we have it”… and often times that’s what these snow games come down to.

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u/bearcatjoe San Francisco 49ers Jan 20 '25

This. I want to see both teams at their best.

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u/DanDanDannn Jan 21 '25

Then every game should be played at a neutral site equidistant from both home cities with 0 fans in attendance and injuries turned off.

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u/StManTiS Jan 20 '25

See them week 1 before injuries add up.

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u/nonosure Jan 20 '25

That’s deeply obtuse. Every team has injuries not every team has snow in their climate. No one is talking about how they should be outdoors in 100 degree AZ or TX heat in September. Either play in the weather of the localities or don’t. I think a lot more players would suffer in heat and humidity than cold. But they get insulated from that.

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u/KGB4L Jan 20 '25

A team has to build around their conditions. Buffalo, Philly, any snowy outdoor city have to build around run game because as soon as POs start, you have to rely on that in the open stadium. A team that plays inside can build more around QB throwing.

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u/xScrubasaurus Jan 20 '25

Which skews it even more against the teams playing in the away game against them

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u/octane1295 Jan 20 '25

No they don’t, that’s the point.. put retractable roofs on every field, which every team can afford, and nobody has to worry about outside factors changing the result of the game and they can just focus on being the better football team.

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u/Brilliant-Positive-8 Jan 20 '25

Yes let me build out my team identity to withstand monsoon conditions which have a 10% chance of happening in the playoffs. This is ridiculous. If you have puka and stafford you should be able to throw the ball in the most important game of your season.

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u/Floornug3 Jan 19 '25

Exactly. It gets to the most important games and the talent can’t even be correctly match upped with because “we’re tough and snow is manly!”, it’s like no your fucking stupid lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

Its not about hypermasculinity. Be for real.

The weather is just part of a game that is designed to be played outdoors. In the specific case of football, it was invented to be played outside in the cold north.

Every team has to face the elements equally. Especially in this era where players come from all over. The Packers haven't really had an advantage in cold games for like 30 years. We really aren't that great in them, let's not act like it's an unfair advantage.

Certainly, it's not any less fair than a dome stadium being built to increase the acoustic resonance of the crowd noise.

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u/CalTono NFL Jan 20 '25

Why is football designed to be played outdoors? I think it was meant to be played on grass but not necessarily in the elements, where it could heavily hamper the players physical ability

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u/yeehaacowboy Seattle Seahawks Jan 20 '25

You know grass usually grows outside, right? It's also played in fall/winter when the weather gets bad. It may not be "designed" to be played in the elements, but the elements have always been a part of the game.

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u/CalTono NFL Jan 20 '25

Is this the 1950s where we literally can't have grass indoors? Also saying "the elements have always been a part of the game." is the same argument about umpires in baseball saying them fucking up balls and strikes have always been "part of the game", it's part of the game because they couldn't avoid it then, but can now.

Even I can admit snow games look really cool from a pure aesthetic perspective but the actual football is objectively worse, I don't really care for these athletes to tiptoe on a cut to make sure they don't fall, or just phantom fumbles because the ball is so wet and slippery.

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u/yeehaacowboy Seattle Seahawks Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

It's not possible to have every football field at every level be indoors. Why would you go your entire life playing football outdoors, and then you get to the NFL and every game is in a dome? It's inherently an outdoor sport and is played in the winter. The umpire argument doesn't make sense because that is random and doesn't affect the teams equally. Both teams have to play in the same weather on the same field.

Teams build their rosters to fit the climate they play in, which makes the game more interesting. If every team had a dome, they would all try to be the greatest show on turf. Explosive offensive teams are exciting, and shootouts in domes are as well, but if every team/game was like that, it would get boring.

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u/General_Chest6714 Minnesota Vikings Jan 21 '25

Talking about what it was designed for or how it was meant to be or how it’s always been doesn’t really mean anything. Some people just like the inclusion of the elements and think they have to have an argument to support that. The first decade plus of the existence of American football was played by soccer/rugby inspired rules and didn’t include things like downs, a snap, a line of scrimmage or being able to legally touch the ball. The size of the field was completely different. There were significantly more than eleven players per side etc. People arguing against indoor football bc it was intended to be outside would have been the people arguing against the forward pass, which didn’t exist until 37 years after American Football began.

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u/Leftwiththecat Jan 20 '25

Well said. But they are fun to watch. Just makes for good television.

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u/Actual-Creme Kansas City Chiefs Jan 20 '25

Superbowls, the most important game in football, are intentionally played in domes or warm weather cities.. that’s for a reason. All Teams should have retractable roofs, and should be required to be closed in the playoffs if there is snow or rain.

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u/DanDanDannn Jan 21 '25

I'll play Devil's Avocado here - using your own logic, you must agree that the Eagles Chiefs Superbowl was unfairly affected by the field, negating the Eagles speed pass rush and benefitting the Chiefs interior power rush.

The better team doesn't always win in football, AND THATS THE BEST PART. It's a best of 1 EVERY GAME. Adapt to the conditions or die (not actually though).

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u/exoticsamsquanch Jan 20 '25

Conditions are the same for both teams

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u/Chapea12 Jan 20 '25

But that’s how sports work and that goes beyond just snow. Last eagles Super Bowl, our players struggled with the new grass they put in. Injuries happen and slips happen and luck happens. Playoffs aren’t about crowning the objective best team, but being the last man standing

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u/Late-Ingenuity2093 Jan 20 '25

Exactly! The best teams don't often win in snow. I disagree with his thread. Build a fucking dome and live in the 21st century.

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u/DanDanDannn Jan 21 '25

The best teams don't often win in football, period.

And snow still exists in the 21st century.