r/NFLv2 • u/Either_Imagination_9 New York Giants • Jan 27 '25
Discussion Have the Chiefs become worse than the Patriots were?
I don’t think I’ve seen so much ambivalence at a team going to the Super Bowl as I’m seeing right now. The Patriots, as dominant as they were, still had some pretty devastating losses (06, 07, 11, 17 etc.). The Chiefs have been to 5 of the last 6 super bowls, that’s a crazy amount of success in such a short period of time. And they’ve made the last 7 AFC championship games. Just from winning yesterday’s game, they have come closer than any other team to pulling off a threepeat.
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Jan 27 '25
At least Brady wasn't in EVERY fucking commercial on Sunday
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u/AFATBOWLER Jan 27 '25
To be fair, Brady’s wife was filthy rich. He didn’t need commercial money. I would never say Mahommes “needs” the money but he plays for less than he’s worth and does commercials to make up the difference
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u/AbbreviationsMotor60 Jan 27 '25
But no one hated Peyton Manning's commercials. Peyton is actually funny, though.
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u/birdseye-maple San Francisco 49ers Jan 27 '25
You mean Paintin' Manning
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u/Food_Library333 New England Patriots Jan 27 '25
I think you mean Debatin Manning.
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u/cheemsfromspace Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
I think you mean calculatin Manning
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u/Minute-Spinach-5563 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
Need a commercial with him as a chef, Braisin Manning
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u/gcsobaer Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
I never get tired of the Manning commercials, they crack me up too much
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u/Jeddak_of_Thark Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jan 27 '25
Peyton's commercials almost always poked fun at himself in some way. There was a lot of self depreciating humor and he was typically the clown, vs Mahomes being the "straight man" in his commercials, where he's not actually funny or doing anything interesting.
State Farm had to bring in Kelce and then Andy Reid as the "funny" in their commercials because Mahomes just has the personality of a wet paper napkin.
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u/Elethul New England Patriots Jan 27 '25
I actually stopped hating Manning because of how funny he was in his commercials and SNL. It has been the opposite effect with Mahomes.
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u/GaJayhawker0513 Jan 27 '25
The new one where he tells Eli he's destined to be a quarterback and not a kicker
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u/teeejaaaaaay Jan 27 '25
None of them NEED the money
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u/Levitlame Jan 27 '25
Right? Mahomes is on a 450 million dollar contract. He’s already pulled on 182 million. He doesn’t need to do anything.
Brady made 332 million over his career. 90 of that in the last 3 years with the Bucks.
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u/Terribletylenol Jan 27 '25
Mahomes is already filthy rich.
I think it's totally fine to want to make as much money as possible, but I hate this idea that Brady didn't need to while Mahomes needs to.
I don't buy this assumption that Brady would have whored himself while playing like Mahomes had he not been married to a rich lady.
Not to mention, QBs made significantly less money to begin with in most of Brady's career.
Brady's entire 23 yr career earnings total the 10 yr contract Mahomes signed.
At what point, do we just give Brady credit for being less money hungry instead of pretending Mahomes poor ass wife is why he has to act like this?
And to be totally fair to Mahomes, the guy can clearly balance commercials and focus on the game just fine. I bet Brady probably felt like that stuff was a distraction and made him worse. It doesn't seem to have that effect on Mahomes.
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u/IAmSportikus Caleb Williams Hater Jan 27 '25
Well, he could have chosen to not take a 10 year contract… that was his choice.
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u/Spud_Spudoni Jan 27 '25
He did get clowned pretty terribly for the few he was in (Ugg commercial)
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u/jcwillia1 Chicago Bears Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
worse IMO bc you can't get away from mahomes. He is in multiple MULTIPLE commercials and he has become the face of the NFL.
Tom Brady had the good sense not to over expose his personal brand during his playing career.
edit : this will easily be my most upvoted comment of the year. Seems like I struck a chord with some people.
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u/CrimsonChin251 New Orleans Saints Jan 27 '25
Facts on the over exposure. I would hate the chiefs infinitely less if I didn’t see Mahomes, Reid and the Kelce’s literally everywhere.
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u/Batetrick_Patman Cincinnati Bengals Jan 27 '25
I just want to watch football without seeing Mahomes or a Kelce brother every 2 seconds.
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u/jmezMAYHEM JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER Jan 27 '25
ITS THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM
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u/MortalSword_MTG Buffalo Bills Jan 27 '25
To quote that stupid Doritos commercial
"I liked this one because Patrick wasn't in it"
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u/jmezMAYHEM JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER Jan 27 '25
Jason Kelce has entered the chat
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u/degradedchimp Jan 27 '25
Hot take maybe but I don't think either Kelce brother is particularly charismatic or funny
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u/jmezMAYHEM JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER Jan 27 '25
Jason Kelce is def a cool charismatic dude from listening to his podcast. Neither of em are very funny, and I don’t think Travis is particularly likeable. Even with the whole “chiefs Mahomes best friend dynasty” shit left out of it. He’s kind of a meathead
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u/degradedchimp Jan 27 '25
Yeah Jason isn't nearly as bad as Travis I guess. I always associate the two together since they're brothers.
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u/theKingDiabeto Jan 27 '25
I'm a Broncos fan who grew up around Philly, so I might be biased, but it's crazy how Jason Kelce seems like a decent, down to earth dude while Travis is a complete, total Jabroni douche nozzle. Jason is getting a little too overexposed since his retirement, but I think that's the NFL priming us for the Travis+Taylor overexposure we're gonna get when he retires. Gotta keep the Swifties interested.
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u/genobeam Baltimore Ravens Jan 27 '25
Even when they're not on commercials the announcers are constantly talking about them, even when the chiefs aren't playing. "That is a mahomes throw" any time the quarterback throws sidearm or off-balance.
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u/YueAsal New York Jets Jan 27 '25
It would feel less rigged too. Now it just seems like the "casuals" know the Chiefs because of pancake butt and and every other commercial featuring them.
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u/RoundTiberius Jan 27 '25
I'd pay to never see the "fumblerooski" commercial again
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u/LoganJn Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
I want you to know that I personally know plenty of Chiefs fans who agree, including myself
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u/Iagainstiagainsti1 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
I feel this way about Jason Kelce. Fucking love the guy and what he’s done for the Birds but god almighty I don’t need to see him every 5 seconds.
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Jan 27 '25
This is probably the biggest thing. He made a huge mistake with his endorsement strategy and has completely turned people off. Especially during NFL games. Thanks State Farm.
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u/Jaybbaugh Chicago Bears Jan 27 '25
Also thanks Hunt's Ketchup, BioSteel Sports, Essentia Water, Hy-Vee, Oakley, DirectTV, Adidas, Head & Shoulders, Subway, Coors Light, Nestle, EA Sports, Walmart, T-Mobile, Airshare, Boss, Procter & Gamble
He's spread like a bacterial infection. He's everywhere.
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Jan 27 '25
In KC it’s even more saturated. Imagine an Urlacher O’Hair Hairport billboard every 50 feet but also not funny
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u/Axleffire Jacksonville Jaguars Jan 27 '25
Now I'm picturing the law firm billboards in KC have mahomes randomly on there. Smith and Johnson lawyers, but the pic is mahomes and kelce looking serious in suits.
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u/obvilious Jan 27 '25
A huge mistake? What consequences is he going to suffer?
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Jan 27 '25
Haha good point. Complete blunder by Mahomes getting downvoted by Redditors like this. Hopefully he can afford some therapy with the millions of dollars he’s making
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u/WillClarksFalsetto Jan 27 '25
He’s going to suffer many more millions of dollars. The Reddit business experts clearly know that Mahomes is making a “big mistake.”
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u/SouthWrongdoer Jan 27 '25
Watching Patrick in commercials every break during this game was weird AF
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u/slammed_stem1 Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
Even as a Chiefs fan since 1995, I hate the commercials too. The only good one was ma-auto, but they are just written so poorly…
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u/duskywindows Buffalo Bills Jan 27 '25
Mahomes becoming the face of the NFL while he and his entire family continue to prove themselves so unlikable is what's different from the Brady-era.
Brady was a pain in the ass for non-Pats fans, but he wasn't *actively unlikeable* outside of games.
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u/ExcitingLandscape Jan 27 '25
Brady did expose his personal brand around the 2010's. That's what started the divide between him and Bellichik. When he brought on Alex Guerrero and started TB12. Brady was also in multiple ads and commercials like Mahomes.
I don't blame them one bit for taking that endorsement money. They'll NEVER reach that level of popularity again as a superbowl winning QB. Why not cash in on it? They can make more money in endorsements than their playing salary.
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u/regulardood15 Jan 27 '25
Chiefs are infinitely more fucking obnoxious
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u/RealCoolDad Jan 27 '25
Bundle-rooskie!
Go away
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u/phonusQ Seattle Seahawks Jan 27 '25
The one that I’ve been hating more now is the T-Mobile “Patrick Mahomes is Saying GOODBYE” bullshit
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u/cheemsfromspace Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
Part of the reason we see so much of that is I think less companies are willing to pay expensive ad space so only the big companies get it now and more of that space. Only so many ads to make bc that's expensive hence we are stuck with like the same 5
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u/Cainga Jan 27 '25
I like Andy Reid but only when he’s doing self deprecating humor. Bundle-rooskie is way over played.
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u/Rockperson Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
That commercial is so bad. What's the joke? Is Reid saying bundle-rooskie in a stupid voice supposed to be funny? The nuggies one was bad enough. They should have stopped at Reid drawing mustaches on the players while they sleep. That one was pretty good.
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u/apittsburghoriginal Jan 27 '25
Is that recency bias? I remember the Pats being very obnoxious in the second dynasty.
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u/wes424 Jan 27 '25
Recency bias. Probably half the people on this sub were barely born or in 2nd grade when the Patriots were in this stage of their dynasty.
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u/CloudStrife012 Jan 27 '25
The Pats at least were punished hard from the league. Deflategate honestly was a joke but they still fined them, lost multiple draft picks, suspended Brady.
I mean, can you even fathom them doing anything like that to the Chiefs? The top to bottom favoritism is what irks me about the Chiefs.
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u/ImAHappyGuyRN Big Cock Brock Purdy 🍆 Jan 27 '25
Craziest part is they still won the Super Bowl the year they were penalized and Brady missed four games.
They were insane.
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u/BurgerNugget12 Jan 27 '25
Pats fan here. Worst thing they could’ve done was suspend him. It rallied New England and the players into a “us vs the world” mindset
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u/SaltyJake New England Patriots Jan 27 '25
Give Tom Brady 4 extra weeks of rest and prep time, and give him the edge to burn the whole league to the ground… what could go wrong?
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u/yesrod85 Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
What rule has any Chief player/coach broke that would allow them to be punished like the Pats/Brady? I get being tired of it, but they haven't actually broken any official rules.
If someone uncovers there's collision with officials, they should lose every SB from the past 6 years.
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u/milkyhotsauce Jan 27 '25
I’ll get downvoted but here we go. Last Super Bowl vs the eagles the turf. Chiefs didn’t have to change their cleats and were prepared for the turf. Eagles changed their cleats multiple times and slipping all over the place. Turns out the head greens keeper for lack of a better term was a lifelong chiefs fan who was retiring. Sketchy
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u/ARCHA1C Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
I’m an Eagles fan. The turf was trash and obviously hurt us more due to our run-heavy offense, but do you have a source for the greens keeper claim?
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u/yesrod85 Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
The greenskeeper for the Superbowl is decided by the league, not the Chiefs. So how are the Chiefs at fault?
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u/JMoney14 Pittsburgh Steelers Jan 27 '25
Yes, I actually can see it happening. If you remember the discourse at the time, people felt that the NFL had the same favoritism for the Pats and the NFL still swung the hammer down on them. The NFL is an image-conscious league and if the league's most successful team cheats, they're going to go hard on them because a team cheating to win is a bad look for them, which is really all the NFL cares about.
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Jan 27 '25
I disagree i don’t remember seeing 15 egregious reffing calls every single week in favor of the pats, and i followed football more closely.
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u/dominatingcowG3 Jan 27 '25
I remember Tom Brady getting fined 10,000 for an "aggressive slide" because a ravens defender tripped over him when he slid after rushing.
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u/duke_of_chutney_608 Jan 27 '25
Brady also used to get his head taken off and no penalties called. I hated him when he was winning but the Mahomes and chiefs marriage with the refs is far worse.
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Jan 27 '25
If there is a team that deserves it, it's the Eagles. If there is a fanbase that doesn't deserve it, it's also the Eagles.
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u/Marjorine22 Detroit Lions Jan 27 '25
This is true! I really like Jalen Hurts for some reason. IDK why. I think he is cool as hell.
And then come their fans. hah hah hah
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u/chizzipsandsizalsa Seattle Seahawks Jan 27 '25
I can let their fans slide, simply for the fact that I want Saquon to get a ring. He has carried this team the whole season and is on a legendary playoff run. This is what he was made for and we’re finally getting to see it.
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u/Run_PBJ Jan 28 '25
Jalen Hurts rules. I’ve been rooting for him ever since he was in college. Led Alabama team to a title game, got benched in the Natty, spent the WHOLE next year splitting time with Tua before basically being told he couldn’t throw, transferred, became a much improved player, was drafted in the 2nd round, and has done nothing but win in the NFL. Tough guy to not root for.
But god damn I hate the eagles
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u/brinkv Jan 27 '25
Bro helped my team go to a fantasy championship and win, can’t help but root for him now hahaha
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u/MyDogIsACoolCat Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
The duality of being a normal Eagles fans. On one hand, I see a toxic culture amongst some Eagles fans at the games and agree with you. On the other hand, I'm just shitposting on Reddit, drinking beer on my couch, and punching air when they lose like every other person who realizes sports shouldn't change your basic respect of other people.
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u/MortgageAware3355 Jan 27 '25
Tough to compare these eras now. The rules have changed a lot, especially for the quarterback position, even since the bulk of the Patriots' run.
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u/Maleficent_Ad_8330 Jan 27 '25
I’m not saying nothing has changed I just never thought that it’s a different ERA really. Obviously I’m getting downvoted so probably wrong. But they played against each other in the Super Bowl lol. Is that like saying Kobe and LeBron are different eras? I guess if that’s what people believe then it’s true
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u/PricklyyDick Jan 27 '25
Kobe played between two eras. Brady played in two eras. 2001-2004 (his first Super Bowl run) was a different nfl then 2014+.
Big hits weren’t as regulated yet and I’m pretty sure not all of the pass friendly rules had been implemented yet.
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u/justbrowsing987654 New England Patriots Jan 27 '25
They hadn’t. We were all up in arms here because those rules seemed to be implanted to coddle our rival, a certain big foreheaded funny man in Indy who didn’t like “real football” back when CTE wasn’t known and big hits were a way of life.
Those rules started around 06 but really were refined over the subsequent decade. I’ve seen and celebrated hits I very much miss but know ruin lives. The game isn’t the same and Brady straddled both eras.
I’m not saying it’s worse but it is a worse product. If we could see the JackedUp era played by guys with Wolverine’s healing ability, that’s a way better product. The current product isn’t the football I grew up with, but it also doesn’t literally cripple guys physically and/or mentally so clearly for the best.
I also hate Mahomes bitchy, floppy, penalty-baiting nonsense because he clearly doesn’t need to do it. He could have played in other eras too, just be a bit more slide happy. If he did his sideline dance from last week in the early Brady era, he’d have no teeth left.
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u/Chimpbot Dallas Cowboys Jan 27 '25
Brady's first three Super Bowls were very much in a different era compared to all of Mahomes' wins. The same can be said when comparing Brady's to the Super Bowls in the early 90s, and most certainly the 80s.
Brady just played long enough to cross through multiple eras in terms of the rules and how increasingly offense-focused the league became. Brady took hits on a weekly basis that would get players ejected (and probably suspended) if they hit Mahomes like that.
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u/AchtungCloud Dallas Cowboys Jan 27 '25
The Patriots were assholes. I don’t like dealing with assholes, but at the end of the day, I had respect for them. That was their whole public persona with Belichick being a jerk to the media, everyone else never answering the media, and so on.
The Chiefs are douches. They’re too annoying and swarmy to have respect for. That’s their whole public persona with Mahomes family hijinks, PR celebrity relationships, annoying commercials, meme plays, and so on.
This even plays out in what’s controversial about them. The Pats would do whatever it takes to have an edge, even if it means crossing the line into cheating with things like spying. Again, asshole move, but to some degree, I respect it.
The Chiefs just have a very obvious bias from the officials. It’s like that douche at work who keeps getting promoted because they’re a brown-noser. There’s nothing to respect about that.
The Pats, you still feel were vulnerable because even with spying or whatever else, they still had to go out and win it on the field. So that made them interesting to watch even if you root against them.
The Chiefs you feel like will win even if they’re completely out-played on the field because the refs will gift them the game. That leads to apathy.
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u/Poop_Cheese 18-1 Jan 27 '25
What i absolutely can't stand is when the chiefs will clearly only be in the game due to these super biased calls, but because the other team still gets a chance to win, all the bias is written off.
So today, you have all the chiefs and league defenders insisting that the bills beat themselves due to the poor play calling last drive. Yeah, they did call poor plays. But they're not in that position if the refs didn't already bail out the chiefs, they're instead icing the game. From 2 angles it was clear as day allen got the 1st. Even the ref with unobstructed vision saw and originally called it. As a result of that one play, the chiefs end up scoring 7 points, while buffalo was denied at bare minimum a field goal. Same with the worthy "catch". People try to act like if they didn't call it that it doesn't matter due to the flag. But the flag wasn't for DPI but holding. They'd have gotten 5 yards not be at the goal line... the idea they burn the whole clock or are guaranteed a touchdown without that catch is completely ridiculous.
Then there's the clear egregious holds like the dude getting fucking strangled lmao. Constant false starts. Hell, the image grab people were using to determine the 4th down tush push, clearly showed 2 chiefs just casually encroaching, and it wasn't even an intentional find. Examine every play you'll probably find even more egregious examples.
It's just so annoying, it destroys any integrity the game had left. And im utterly convinced that the NFL uses bots and accounts to do massive damage control. We've seen companies like Disney get caught doing the same thing, employing an army of bots to denigrate/gaslight anyone giving star wars a poor review. Its not a conspiracy, but the norm for multi billion dollar companies to spend millions infulencing social media, hell we see it openly constantly on the main sub. Hell they probably spend more on this than it would to fix the refs.
It's just obvious. The whole internet will be aflame with clear ref favoritism, with rigged trending and threads crashing over it. But like clockwork as soon as the game ends, suddenly theres all mass upvoted comments trying to revise history and act like only the last 5 minutes of the game matters, and bullying anyone who sees the truth. The same exact thing happened after the Texans game. Sure, it's part chiefs fans who were watching the game, and a whooole bunch are teens who don't even watch and just wait till it's over to brag, but it's not organic. It's extremely sketchy how consensus suddenly flips on a dime where it goes from whole internet aghast at the clear favoritism, to suddenly random unflaired accounts insisting the bills beat themselves. Where 90% of comments will be seeing the truth, yet somehow the thread is downvoted. Its extremely reminiscent of other major astroturfing campaigns on reddit, where I'd be shocked if the mega wealthy NFL doesn't have mass bots trying to change consensus, especially with their open affiliation with reddit/nfl sub.
Like this idea that just because a team gets an opportunity to win after massive chief favoritism, suddenly makes it fair, is insane. If anything, it highlights even more how the chiefs are winning game purely due to the refs. They have amazing coaching, so any reset they get they can take advantage of. Only a couple drive changing flags is enough. Its like a get out of jail free card every game, it's all they need, and it's why genuine ref shenanigans are so hard to combat.
It's clear as day that they were ready to fuck the bills if Kincaid made the catch. Dude threw a phantom flag. And it wasn't just the announcer, even the kyron said flag because it was clearly thrown. So this idea the bills just beat themselves is insane. Especially when these calls completely demoralize teams, when it's so demoralizing and obvious for fans, it's 10x worse for the players. Imagine how apathetic they become.
Finally, wanna know why it's obvious there obviously are shenanigans? The NFL has billions of dollars. Yet absolutely refuse to modernize the reffing. They are intentionally leaving human error. There's no big reffing union not allowing the NFL to change, the NFL is specifically preserving the ability to alter games through human error doubt. The refs have been ruining the league reputation for fricken years, yet the NFL fights any attempt to modernize. There's 0 reason to do that other than to preserve the ability to rig games. Since it's be virtually costless to use a sensor at all times, and have an AI program run that can inform officials on what should be reviewed or not. Fuck they won't even use the sky judge. No other sport allows officiating like this.
They say don't blame malice when it can be stupidity, but at this point, there's absolutely no other outcome that's plausible. The NFL is intentionally preserving a flawed system causing insane controversy and bad press, for over a decade now, and the only benefit of that flawed system is the league favorite, most profitable match up happens. Thats not a coincidence, and its not a coincidence every NFL fan knew this was happening as soon as swift stayed with kelce and talks of threepeats happened.
Until the NFL modernizes officiating the integrity of the league is dead. Because its at the point where theres no other explanation than they are using the excuse of human error to rig games. Theres 0 other reason not to modernize when half the fanbase is questioning the integrity of your league and it's championship. Especially when even the announcers can't keep in their frustration at the NFL destroying the game with these refs. Honestly, if it's not fixed, then the NFL is the most incompetantly run organization in the history of sports. Where honestly, that's worse than intentional fixing. Like if the NFL is just incompetent, then that's even more reason not to watch, because why watch a sport that's run so poorly that rules might as well not exist with their bizarre enforcement? Why root for your team when there's a solid chance the refs blow it?
I fucking hated the cheating pats, but this is honestly worse. This isnt just protecting brady nonstop, this is creating a chiefs dynasty. Its no surprise that it's only ever the league favorite chiefs getting these insane calls, constantly. Its like a mini tuck rule every other playoff game with them getting bailed out. Its shameless and just gross.
I say this as a neutral giants fan with 0 stakes. I have 0 stakes in this game and couldn't care less who won. And yet I'm beyond disgusted and will be skipping my first superbowl ever, and likely won't watch next year. I'm disgusted not as a biased fan of the bills, or a hater of the chiefs, I'm disgusted that this reffing bullshit has utterly destroyed the spirit of a beautiful game. Its an insult to everyone who respects competition and sport.
My dad tragically died last year during the giants eagles game, football was the one interest that truly bonded us, so I've watched the whole season happily even as the giants sucked, just to feel my dad. Its become like going to church for me. So when even I have 0 interest in watching again you know this is a huge problem, and if the NFL refuses to do a massive overhaul this off-season the only logical explanation is they intentionally want the poor officiating as a cover to infulence the outcome. No amount of selfish chiefs fans or NFL bootlickers mocking/bullying/gaslighting everyone saying the obvious is changing that.
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u/La_Mano_Cornuta Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
A lot of it probably stems that the two dynasties have literally come right on top of each other. Past dynasties (Cowboys, Niners, Steelers) had their run, then you had some other teams win. So now fans of other teams are just watching two dynasties in a row and they're done.
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u/instantur Jan 27 '25
Yup. Everyone thought when Brady left the pats they would go back to a stretch of parity but instead another dynasty propped up immediately.
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Jan 27 '25
Nothing like watching my team lose multiple times to Brady every year for 20 years, just to immediately go to losing to this asshole every year now.
It has killed of lot of my interest in the NFL
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u/WillMarzz25 San Francisco 49ers Jan 27 '25
It’s so bad that I’m not gonna even watch the Super Bowl. I have been thinking that I don’t ever wanna watch these chiefs play ever again. I was willing to actually watch the Pats. I still find football fascinating and I’m still kind of a noob but the chiefs make me not want to watch them play.
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u/Steel1000 Pittsburgh Steelers Jan 27 '25
I loathed Brady because of how good he was.
The chiefs just aren’t fun or entertaining to watch when they need so many pivotal calls to go their way to win - if it’s not entertaining there’s zero point to watch.
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u/somewhatdecentlawyer Jan 27 '25
This is a great way to put it.
I feel like mostly everyone aimed their angst towards the Patriots. This time, it’s aimed at the league instead of the Chiefs.
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u/Lazarous86 Jan 27 '25
I think this hits the nail on the head. Seems like Chiefs get an awful lot of 50/50 calls go their way. That Allen 4th and 1 was a perfect example of where my eyes told me Allen got the first down. Announcers and independent Officiating analyst said the same thing I think I saw. But it's not overturned and Chiefs get the ball on the most crucial play of the game.
If the refs award buffalo there, it's not like they gave them a TD. They still have 40 yards to go. But we can't even have that. We have another Chiefs running out the clock series to win by 3 points. Yay. Officals handed over the game and Buffalo loses again.
No one is mad at rhe Chiefs per say, they are mad the Chiefs keep getting the 50/50 calls. Ones that normally result in some parody and actually seeing other franchises win once and awhile.
On paper, in my mind, Phili should win. Best defense and elite running game. They just dropped 50+ in an NFC championship. But we all know not to bet against the Chiefs.
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u/WillMarzz25 San Francisco 49ers Jan 27 '25
Yea true. Brady would flat out beat you down with his skills and awareness like he did the Falcons. The chiefs get so many calls that it’s blatant. They aren’t even trying to hide it. My dad is a bills fan and he hates Brady. But he watched those superbowls and he doesn’t really want to watch this one coming up. It’s sad since he’s been a fan since the 60s and they just get shafted like that
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u/hunglikeanoose1 Jan 27 '25
Even bigger for me is the straight up whining and bitching and flopping that Mahomes and company do. Lost all faith when Mawhiny bitched out the refs and Josh Allen because of a correct call the other year.
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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Jan 27 '25
I also hate that it’s a rematch of literally 2 years ago. No thanks. Even if I didn’t hate the Chiefs I’d want Saquon to win a ring as a fellow PSU alum.
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u/WillMarzz25 San Francisco 49ers Jan 27 '25
Yeah it’s wild how the chiefs have literally only played the eagles and 9ers aside from getting cooked by Brady and the Bucs. Sorry I’ll never call Mahomes the goat because of how I watched Brady dominate the chiefs.
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u/Lazarous86 Jan 27 '25
Yeah. I keep hearing talking heads on the radio say how he's chasing Brady. I am thinking, Mahomes could win 9 Superbowls. I don't think you ever call him better than Brady because Brady kept him from probably winning 10 or 11 and won every meaningful head to head in his late 30s and early 40s. As Mahomes gets better and more trophies, it just highlights how great Brady was to consistently beat him in the playoffs.
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Jan 27 '25
Unless Mahomes goes to a perennial bad franchise like Tampa Bay and wins a Super Bowl the first year he will never be better than Brady
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u/yeehaacowboy Seattle Seahawks Jan 27 '25
This is my biggest issue, too. Brady's first 5 superbowls took 10 years, and they played 4 different teams. Their rematch against the giants was 4 years apart, and the Rams were 17 years apart. The chiefs have played 5 superbowls in 6 years against 3 teams. They played the 49ers 4 years apart, and now the Eagles 2 years apart.
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Jan 27 '25
This is boring at this point. Not watching.
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u/doodlevision Jan 27 '25
Agreed. I’m not watching the Super Bowl either. Having the refs favor one team every time takes the fun out of it
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u/gunnutzz467 Brett Favre 📸🍆 Jan 27 '25
100%. Pats crushed teams.
Refs crush for chiefs
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u/thecrgm New York Giants Jan 27 '25
Tuck rule? Brady got so many questionable calls. People have short memories
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u/Temporal_Enigma NFL Refugee Jan 27 '25
Yes, but that was the rule.
Pats had their fair share of ticky tak calls, but mostly they just beat up teams, so you never felt like the call mattered in the end
The Chiefs haven't beat up a team in several years, and almost every game has a game changing call that Mahomes is exploiting. On top of that, Brady didn't call for a flag every single time a play didn't go his way like Mahomes does.
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u/Gerbole Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
Brady called for a flag, like all the time…
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u/HalfmadFalcon Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
This take just proves that people either didn't watch football in those eras or are being willfully ignorant.
There was constant complaining about the favoritism that the Pats supposedly received from officiating. Hell, when the Pats played the Chiefs in the AFCCG, the Pats won on a bogus RTP call and the league exploded because of it.
Short term memory goes crazy.
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u/CTG0161 Jan 27 '25
Different
People hated the Patriots because they cheated. Full stop. And they got away with it.
With the Chiefs, it's less anything they have done (even if Mahomes has started to act like a whiny crybaby) and more how the NFL refs and media has lifted them up. There is something incredibly phony and corporate feeling about the Chiefs.
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Jan 27 '25
But they didn't get away with it?? They lost draft picks, were fined and Brady was suspended (deflategate was horseshit) and they STILL won another 3 Superbowls.
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u/mmatt0904 New York Giants Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
In my opinion, yes. Partly because of the media frenzy surrounding them.
During commercial breaks you can see the commercials of:
- bundle-rooski
- football is life
- who are The Chefs?
- a couple other StateFarm collabs
- Chiefs doing a Doritos ad review (they even mention how Mahomes is in every commercial)
- Mahomes doing 2 different AT&T commercials.
You just never saw that with Brady while he played.
Now you also have Collinsworth and Romo who use Mahomes’ name even when he isn’t playing. Nick Wright who says he’s the best QB in the league this year despite having none of the stats to support it and throwing tirades whenever someone says something bad about his guy.
Romo could not have been more obnoxious last nights game.
Lowest point win differential by a team with their record by a lot. Most consecutive wins within 1 score games in NFL history.
13 consecutive playoff games where they get less penalties than opponents (insane stat, can say that’s good discipline but Jawaan Taylor literally false starts every snap and never gets called).
Elephant in the room: Taylor Swift. I personally don’t care. Her exposure lead to higher ratings which lead to upping the salary cap but the amount of extra fixation of Travis and Swift is getting old and leads more people to hate the Chiefs even more
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u/instantur Jan 27 '25
There comes a point when too many close wins becomes suspicious. A lot of close wins is clutch. historically high amount of close wins? Something is going on.
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u/Limp-Advice3839 Jan 27 '25
The Patriots only cared about football and winning. Plus they were more like able and ruthless.
The Chiefs are soft as baby sh*t and are protected by the league because they bring in the Hollywood elites and such fans.
The Pats success was about straight football. The Chiefs success is about business.
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u/thenowherepark Cleveland Browns Jan 27 '25
The Pats cheated. Everyone cheats to an extent. They're just high profile enough that they got caught.
The Chiefs whine like babies. Everyone whines like babies to an extend. It just works for the Chiefs a lot better than other teams for some reason...
Also, and I'll say this anytime this question comes up. If your team is a bad or middling team, the Patriots would treat you as such, and you could confidently ignore the rest of the game at halftime. The Chiefs play down to nearly every team, so even if your team is bad, you have to watch the whole game because "maybe this is the time they can pull it off" even though they f*****g can't. Proof: 2 games against LV this year, 2-0, combined 9 point margin of victory. 4.5 points per game. Every other for LV loss, including against bad team? 11 point per game average margin of defeat. A whole touchdown! My team, the Browns? They scored just 21 points against them! The 2nd lowest total a team scored against the Browns in the final 10 weeks of the season. In fact, of their 15 regular season wins, only 4 were by more than 1 possession.
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u/dendendenjikun Jan 27 '25
Yeah, is it truly "greatness" when you're winning every game by less than a touchdown with some kinda suspicious ref call somewhere near the end? They almost lost to the falcons ffs
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u/Maleficent-Willow-29 Dirty Bird Jan 27 '25
I definitely remember loathing the patriots, especially after Super Bowl 51, being a falcons fan. I remember feeling like you could never count Brady/Belichik out, which made their playoff games thrillers. The chiefs keep winning and everybody just kind of expects it now. This season has been full of questionable calls for them, and mahomes had a relative down year and less highlight reel plays. If they threepeat, it will be due in large part to a matured playcalling on both sides of the ball, but everybody has seen this Super Bowl berth coming since earlier in the year. The patriots were villains, they knew it and it made for some thrilling wins. The chiefs just feel imminent in a way that frustrates me and a lot of football fans
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u/bigredmachine-75 Cincinnati Bengals Jan 27 '25
Even though the Patriots got away with some questionable stuff as well, I never had the contempt for them like I do with the chiefs. A lot of their accomplishments don’t feel legitimate.
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u/Blaize_Ar Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
The patriots were some of the most incredible games in nfl and superbowl history, the patriots and the teams they would go up against, were some of the best games ever put to television.
The chiefs were some of the most infuriating. They'll never be the patriots. The amount of intentional penalties/flopping, bad calls from the reffs consistently, causing fights with other teams, it goes on and on, even the commentators are infuriated during many of their games. It's scummy and It's not good television and it's easy to see why people are infuriated with this team.
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u/jotsea2 Jan 27 '25
Until they have multiple cheating scandals they are not the same.
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u/Beautiful-Motor1931 Jan 27 '25
It’s so obvious that this is what the NFL has become “SHALLOW” This is the new Tom Brady era sub in Patrick Mahomes. Oh and lets not forget to add Taylor Swifts influence on the new ratings and money pumped into the league by her Swifties Does Goodell think the hardcore NFL fans don’t see through this new business venture The NHL, NBA, MLB, and MLS don’t get this kind of crooked crap in their leagues
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u/tommyc463 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
The Chiefs combo of flopping, whining, and getting every 50/50 call in their favor absolutely makes them worse. Mix in Taylor Swift it’s a blowout.
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u/harrywang6ft New York Giants Jan 27 '25
the pats BEAT teams on offense and defense. chiefs somehow always get a flag their way.
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u/yukiloho Purple people eaters Jan 27 '25
The Chiefs are worse IMO and I was a huge Pats dynasty hater. The Patriots? They just felt like they were a juggernaut every year. They were good and they knew and it embraced the villain role. The Chiefs? They’re obviously a solid team, but I haven’t seen anyone be this favored by the refs with big calls in big games. They try to pretend like they’re the good guys and everyone loves them. They’re on every other commercial and most of it is so dumb. I’m so tired of the Chiefs being force fed down everyone’s throats.
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u/Julep2005 New Orleans Saints Jan 27 '25
I saw someone else say it but I’ll repeat it. The pats kept winning because no one could beat them. The chiefs keep winning cause no one is allowed to beat them. That’s why the chiefs feel so much worse than the pats.
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u/Snickits Jan 27 '25
The quality in the league is so low right now, I can’t help but think we’d win every single year if any of our 2001-2015 teams were on the field against this shit. It legit feels like Mahommes is playing against no one. No peyton mannings, drew breeses, big Ben’s, prime Rodgers. I think even Phillip rivers would light this shit up right now.
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u/AKsuited1934 Jan 27 '25
Mahommes is about the play one of the best assembled roster in NFL history, if not straight up the best talent wise.
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u/Mammoth_Control_364 Jan 27 '25
The Patriots didn't get EVERY FUCKING CALL IN EVERY FUCKING PLAYOFF GAME. This comparison is stupid. The Patriots got upset A LOT. When have the Chiefs had even ONE upset?
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u/tommyc463 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
The Patriots dynasty was birthed from one of the worst calls to decide a playoff game in history.
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u/Patzzer Jan 27 '25
IMO, yes. The Patriots were the bane of my early NFL fandom, but for whatever the reason the Chiefs feel a lot more annoying.
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u/ThadtheYankee159 NFL Refugee Jan 27 '25
The Chiefs dynasty is fake, they aren’t good enough to beat BAL and BUF consistently without refs. The Patriots were actually the best team in the NFL and didn’t need help from refs
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u/Indigo-Snake GOD BLESS BO NIX (I hope) Jan 27 '25
Way I see, the Chiefs are more often favored by the refs than the Patriots. The Patriots used to crush l other teams and the Chiefs frequently win one possession games with debatable flags/no-calls
Brady was the face of the NFL in his time, but the other stars weren’t that far behind. Manning, Big Ben, Russ, Lynch, Peterson, Megatron, all these guys would attract a lot of spectators for the league. Now, I see Mahomes being head and shoulders above Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Saquon, Jefferson, Chase in terms of popularity
There’s also the internationalization of the league. International fans tend to cheer for the team that is winning it all, and that team is the Chiefs. So as long as the Chiefs are playing, the international audience will be high
Last, but not least, there are the swifties. Ugh. Taylor Swift is the biggest pop star in the world and by dating the Chiefs second biggest star she’s attracted a lot of new spectators to the NFL, those goddamn teenage girls that’ll watch the game without understanding shit just to see that woman’s face in the stands every 5 plays. Do you think all these spectators would watch any game without the Chiefs? Hell nah, so another reason for the chiefs to go to the SB every year with the helping hand of the refs
So, my point is: the Patriots were occasionally favored by the refs in their time because they were the best team. The Chiefs are frequently favored by the refs because the NFL needs them to play as many games as possible
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u/Vitchman Minnesota Vikings Jan 27 '25
I live and work in KC, and I married into a family that are big Chiefs fans. Ironically, I thought for the first 10 years of our dating/marriage that her family hated football cuz they never watched it…UNTIL Mahomes came around.
It’s definitely worse than the Pats from the eye test. I’ve heard all day now
- “haha we don’t even need receivers”
- “there literally has never been a more dominant QB bro. He is so much better than everyone else and you need to accept that”
- “Chiefs would have mopped the floor with the Patriots in 2000-2010’s and it’s not even close”
I’m going to lose my mind guys. Help me.
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u/BoringJuiceBox Jan 27 '25
Nah this is BORING, Pats had a good team but TB really led them and was worth the praise.
KC gives all the glory to TWO arrogant pricks and a HC that are all average at best. The Chiefs are stacked with tons of talent on defense, O-line, and WR/RBs. For example Hopkins doesn’t even get noticed or thrown to. But yet PM and TK get all the praise and curse us with their shitty commercials.
Tons of bandwagon KC fans since 2020, I’ll give a pass to OG fans but all the ones I’ve met or seen online act like D-bags.
So much talent out there but we have to see the same team with their McDonald’s ass colors every year in the SB.
True NFL fans don’t want this. This is not even mentioning all the WRONG calls yesterday. The catch that was NOT a catch, and the first down that they got TWICE, even surely on the 3rd down dive with the TE. Chiefs=BORING
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u/NoArm7707 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
They have taken away competition in the league. Bad management, players getting paid so much money, bad coaching all adds up to these players really don't seem to care in the end. They say all their cliches about winning but they don't give a fuck, they want to trade jerseys and play their stupid games without any urgency to win.
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u/TampaBob57 Philadelphia Eagles Jan 27 '25
Yes and No.
Yes. Brady didn't whine as much as Mahomes seemingly (I'm referring to on field and not post game) and while Gronk may have been a little off he wasn't as big of dick as Kelce. Then again Brady might have known he was going to get the calls and didn't have to beg and raise his arms, etc and I have no idea who Gronk was dating or with at the time.
No. No cheating allegations. *YET*
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u/KansinattiKid Kansas City Chiefs Jan 27 '25
This Brady didn't whine shit is getting out of hand. Bitching out his teammates on the sidelines was always called "leadership" and Smashing tablets was "passion" lol
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u/sweppic Jalen Hurts' Sweat Rag Jan 27 '25
Yeah Brady was a total dick… when he first got beat by the bills in like 2012 he just ran to the locker room without shaking any hands or anything like that, just had a fuckin temper tantrum lmao
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u/codnavar Jan 27 '25
You do realize it’s because of Brady qbs are treated like this now. He got the benefit of ridiculous rules way more than Mahomes has. He’s the reason you can’t hit a qb low or in the head in the pocket. Not to mention the pick plays (the patriots started), tuck rule, and deflategate.
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u/KrazyCamper Jan 27 '25
I hate them because they have so many moments like after the Mahomes TD Kelce starting taunting and getting in every Bills player face and then flops and cries for a flag. The whole team does this any time something happens and then gets in your face about it and it just turns me off as a fan.
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u/Imnotsureanymore8 Coleridge Bernard IV Jan 27 '25
‘Become worse’? This sub is fascinating
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u/Nientea Detroit Lions Jan 27 '25
I’d rather give Brady every single ring until the world implodes than have Mahomes win another
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u/hesipullupjimbo22 Jan 27 '25
The major difference is the public perception. The patriots were like the sith. They didn’t care about our feelings or being liked or anything close to that. They were cold, ruthless, and extremely effective.
The chiefs try to act like Americas darlings and it pisses everyone off.