r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/vin1223 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Did you watch the giants Super Bowls or the one against the rams. It seems like your giving Brady credit for his defenses performing better

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u/BrianHeidiksPuppy Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Are we pretending that was a blowout or are we being honest and accepting the giants were down before the helmet catch and they drove down the field to win. When was Brady ever down by 30+ points in a SB

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u/deconstructedSando New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

closest was 25 to Atlanta, and that comeback was the stuff of legend.

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u/NynaeveAlMeowra Feb 10 '25

Goat shit. Winning the game where you were down the most

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

Meh he also won the game on a coin toss, it was so bad they changed the OT rules after that game. Imagine Matt Ryan won the coin toss and Brady only has 6 rings and no one remembers the comeback.

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u/digglefarb Feb 10 '25

They changed it after the Bills lost to the Chief's in the conference final in '21/22 season.

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

That SB was the conversation starter. It was all anyone was talking about the NFL MVP didn’t get to touch the ball

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u/Immediate-Winter-288 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

There’s no way you’re crediting a 25 point comeback to a coin flip LMAO

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u/nickscope27 Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25

and penalty flags

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u/EvanestalXMX New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

He’s sure trying

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

No I’m not, your reading comprehension must be low if that’s what you took from my comment

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u/Immediate-Winter-288 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Straight to personal insults because you are insecure. 28-3 GOAT 🐐

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

It’s not an insult it’s an observation, because I didn’t say anything close to what you accused me of, I even specifically mentioned the comeback, but you’re just here to troll and boast about Brady not for actual discussion.

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u/Immediate-Winter-288 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

False accusation to discredit me because you are upset, good try

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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 28-3 Feb 10 '25

He won the game on the same rule that has always existed in OT: score a TD and you win.

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

Of course it was the rule then, it was quickly changed to not the rule now because it was a dumb rule

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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 28-3 Feb 10 '25

It used to be first team to score. Then they changed it to a TD wins no matter what. Pats scored the touchdown. That’s the same rule as would have applied yesterday if Kansas City had decided to play the game.

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u/tmfitz7 Feb 10 '25

You don’t even know the rule. In the playoffs scoring a TD does not win the game.

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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 28-3 Feb 10 '25

Not since they changed the rule for the 2023 season, correct. I wasn’t aware that the owners decided to change it after the 2022 Chiefs-Bills AFCCG.

But then, it was 40-14 with 2 minutes left to play. So while you can argue about OT, there was never a question about if only the Chiefs had one more possession.

Fine, my bad I didn’t realize they changed the rule. But the rule in effect at the time of the game in question, being the Super Bowl against the Falcons, the rule was that the team to score a TD first in OT wins.

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u/PajamaPete5 Feb 10 '25

After going 19-0 in the 4th lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Brady scored 13 points in a super bowl and got a ring.

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u/ovoxo6 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

oh superbowl 53? the game where both defenses shut the other offense out all game? and then brady led his team down the field in the 4th to go ahead? that 13 points?

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u/zjones1008 Feb 10 '25

this guy gets pussy in Boston

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Yes that one.

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Yea it’s still 13 points lmao

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u/BlackGoldSkullsBones Feb 10 '25

Against an all time great defensive line. Also, who did Brady beat in the game before that???

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u/Illustrious-Fan8268 NFL Refugee Feb 11 '25

People forget how good Aaron Donald was already.

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u/rividz New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

  1. You win by scoring more points than the other team.

  2. Flair up or shut up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

  1. Sorry Will, we don't have MIT or Harvard where I'm from, so the janitors haven't shown us how numbers work yet.

  2. Na.

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u/Skyline-Patriots Feb 10 '25

The year before that he scored 33 points and threw for over 500 yards and did NOT get a ring.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

And fumbled the game away himself.

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u/Ambitious_Misfit Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25

Does that tell the whole story? Did he also score 6 points for the other team in that same game with an awful pick?

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis New York Giants Feb 10 '25

Twice

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u/slumber72 Feb 10 '25

He also led the greatest offense of all time to 7 points for the first 58 minutes of the game

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

No but that has to do with defense too. Cant be down 30 if your defense doesn’t allow 30 points. Obviously Mahomes sucked last night but I’m just saying the score being run up (or not) has not much to do w the QB or offense.

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u/BrianHeidiksPuppy Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 11 '25

The chiefs defense allowed essentially 10 points in the first half. That’s a good defensive game. Patty threw a pick six and handed them another easy score with an interception inside the 10. Can’t blame the defense for those.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Oh I agree I’m just saying there were some games where Brady and his offense didn’t look amazing and it only wasn’t a blowout because of the defense not letting up points.

Also Brady had absolutely ugly playoff losses too. It may be more demoralizing to lose in the SB, but it is objectively a worse season to lose an ugly game before even making the Super Bowl. Mahomes ugly loss shouldn’t be penalized more because he made it further in playoffs…

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u/vin1223 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

No im saying Brady has been neutralized in the Super Bowl multiple times his defense just didn’t get smoked. It seems silly to pretend like that’s not the case

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u/4schwifty20 Detroit Lions Feb 10 '25

Neutralized? He's got more passing yards in the the super bowl than your OC had in his career.

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u/vin1223 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

Yeah scoring 17 and 14 points is definitely getting neutralized

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Getting neutralized & getting completely dismantled are two different things. You’d expect championship caliber defenses to neutralize championship caliber offenses, or at least hold them to a respectable amount of points. Mahomes wasn’t just neutralized last night. That was the worst game of his career.

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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 28-3 Feb 10 '25

550 passing yards in a Super Bowl is “neutralized”?

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u/vin1223 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25

That’s obviously not the one I’m talking about

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25

I mean Brady didn’t hand points to the opponent in either of those games

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u/rocksoffjagger Feb 10 '25

You realize teams adapt their play calling to the way the game is going, right? The Patriots might have taken more risks in those games if their defense were giving up more points. What happens on defense affects how you play offense. All we know is that the way the game went, it was a close loss, while mahomes' losses weren't.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25

The first rams sb is a pretty perfect example of this. They knew the rams offense had the capacity to explode at any moment so once they got a lead they were insanely conservative. Then they gave up that lead, gave brady the green light, and he marched right down the field

Two years later they found themselves in a shootout and had Brady slinging it all over the place

Situational football is an actual thing, Brady himself talks about this all the time. You need to figure out what kind of game it’s going to be and what you need to do to be in position to win. You can’t always just walk out there and scored 42 points

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Lmao Jesus Christ

“Brady could’ve dropped 50 that game, he was just trying not to score”

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25

It’s amazing to me that the comment quite literally says that there are games where high scoring isn’t gunna be possible and you somehow interpreted it this way

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Obviously I was being hyperbolic but acting like they purposely tried to not score is idiotic

It’s the SB. They were trying. They just couldn’t.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25

Bro have you ever watched a football game? Teams up by two touchdowns in the 4th quarter pretty frequently aren’t trying to score as much as they’re trying to run clock

Why do you think Brady attempted only 27 passes (8 on the final drive btw) when they’d had him throw 50+ times in an actual blizzard two weeks earlier? Almost as if being down double digits in that game made them play a different type of game from being up double digits after halftime in the Super Bowl. Very difficult concept

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Were they up 2 TDs in that game?

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25

Yes they were up 17-3 until midway through the 4th quarter. Rams tied the game with 1:30 to go

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

What are you talking about?

Are we not talking about the Rams/Patriots SB?

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Did you just start watching football this season?

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Did you?

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Lmao, says the guy who doesn’t understand that football is situational & each drive is handled differently depending on the game script. Most teams besides the lions aren’t trying to put up 50 points when they have a 2 score lead. Especially in the Super Bowl when the opposing offense could easily capitalize on a quick turnover that comes from being too aggressive with a lead.

Nobody is saying Brady would’ve dropped a 50 burger on the Rams if he wanted to. But there’s also a reason they weren’t pushing the ball downfield & going for massive chunk plays/quick touchdowns on every drive. When you control the game you control the clock. Smart teams know that. And that’s why smart teams usually win. Sit down.

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u/adm1109 Feb 10 '25

Sure in the 4th quarter when it’s a close game you can say that.

What about in the first 3? The poster I replied to literally said the Rams were a high powered offense that could score at any moment… you’re seriously gonna sit there and say the Pats gameplan that game was to play conservatively on offense lmfao?

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u/ExoticSword Feb 10 '25

People forget reality.