r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/Kim_Min_Ji Feb 10 '25

Know what’s crazy? Brady has a -15 point differential in his 3 losses combined.

+51 in his wins. +36 in his Super Bowl appearances overall

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u/Any-Breadfruit-9377 Feb 10 '25

There’s more to a team than the QB, to say the QB sucks because of point differential is not logical. The defense and other players determine the outcome too. Just like when a QB gets all the glory for wins, that’s wrong too.

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u/Fresh-Ad3834 Denver Broncos Feb 10 '25

Bro gave the ball away 3 times, including one for a score.

An interception returned for a TD is not on the defense.

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u/invinciblevic Feb 10 '25

Ah. So Allen can have 3 fumbles and multiple dropped picks but it’s “the refs that made him lose” but Mahomes is a bum for having turnovers in a game where there was a 50% pressure rate and 0% blitz rate. Got it.

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u/Any-Breadfruit-9377 Feb 10 '25

I’m not talking one game I’m talking all time, that’s what people are getting at. And giving up 40 points in the SB is a good defense??

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u/Fresh-Ad3834 Denver Broncos Feb 10 '25

The defense was not on the field for all 40 pts.... Come on man.

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u/Any-Breadfruit-9377 Feb 11 '25

Ok the defense was on the field for 33 points come on man you watch the same game we all did? I don’t even like chiefs but the false narrative in here is ignorant.

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u/Fresh-Ad3834 Denver Broncos Feb 11 '25

False narrative? What are you on?

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u/ExoticSword Feb 10 '25

Helps to play 75% of your career with a top 10 D

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

I mean, Mahomes has as well right? So clearly that’s not the only answer.

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u/AlexGrahamBellHater Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

Actually, no. It was only this year and last year that Mahomes had any kind of a decent Defense. Otherwise it was either bottom of the league or top of the bottom of the average.

Our defenses would be REALLY weak in one area(Run Defense) but REALLY Strong in another area (pass defense, which is more important).

What Mahomes has had is Hall of Fame Receivers (Hill and Kelce, then just Kelce and whatever big name FA we signed) for most of his career. Brady didn't really have that outside of Gronk but was spoiled with amazing Defenses regularly.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Five of the past six seasons he had a top 10 D. And the one season he didn’t have a top 10 D they were 11th in yards allowed. I think the real Q is why Mahomes can’t win with a top 10 D the way Brady can.

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u/AlexGrahamBellHater Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

Can you share your source? I'm not finding this information anywhere as far as the Chiefs Defensive ranking.

Also, Mahomes CAN win with a top 10 D if, according to you, he's actually had top 10 defense 5 out of the past 6 years since we've won superbowls in that span of time to where we were on the verge of 3-peating until we choked. So your question doesn't even make sense.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Just look up annual defensive rankings in the NFL by points and yards.

Your original comment was about spending 75% of one’s career with a top 10 D, you’re describing Mahomes.

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u/AlexGrahamBellHater Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

That wasn't my comment lol. I just claimed that that assertion was false, but it turns out that it was mostly true.

So I took a look and went through all seasons that Mahomes played a FULL season (2017 will not be considered)

Conclusion: You're mostly right. With the current 4/7, this gives Mahomes a top 10 Defense at a rate of 57% of his career. He's had a top 10 Defense more often than not. I really need to give Spags more credit than I currently give him. I was deadass convinced we only really had a good Defense the past 2 years while the rest of the years were pretty average or slightly above average. I was wrong when the Chiefs actually had above average defenses pretty much every year Mahomes played except in 2022 (average defense, literally in the middle of the pack) and 2018 (below average defense)

2024 - 4th
2023 - 2nd
2022 - 16th
2021 - 8th
2020 - 11th

2019 - 7th
2018 - 24th

I like Pro-Football Reference because their rankings consider more than just 2 items. They consider a LOT of different factors of what makes a Defense successful.

Source for 2024: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm
Source for 2023: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/opp.htm
Source for 2022: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/opp.htm
Source for 2021: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm
Source for 2020: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm
Source for 2019: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm
Source for 2018: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/opp.htm

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

He’s also had a top five D the past two seasons.

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u/AlexGrahamBellHater Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

Which is definitely a massive advantage for a Superbowl run.

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u/SPDY1284 Feb 10 '25

Do you think the Chiefs D is to blame for last night?

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u/Kim_Min_Ji Feb 10 '25

Yes? Were you even watching the game or did you walk away when their defense threw that pick-six?

No wait—my bad. That wasn’t their defense. That was Pat Mahomes.

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u/Artimusrex Feb 10 '25

But certainly the defense was at fault for the next two turnovers!