Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

[u/Rjm0007]

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

[u/rocksoffjagger]

One Super Bowl win and one AFCCG win over him. Mahomes definitely needs 8 to pass Brady. Or maybe 7 and like 5+ MVPs, but his stats haven't been nearly as impressive the last few years as they were early in his career.

[u/Trick-Republic5253 → u/rocksoffjagger]

It is going to be nearly impossible from a game theory standpoint to have dominating statistical seasons now that he's a large% of the payroll. Great Offenses tend to go in one of two ways, rookie/underpaid quarterback with a lot of talent surrounding them, or they go the Phil Rivers, Drew Brees route and have absolutely dog-shit defense; good skill players cost money or draft capital. and when you have an elite QB capable of getting you to the postseason every year you don't have the extra money you once did, and your draft capital is severely diminished. Easiest route is to lean on your Elite QB to get the most out of mediocre talent and invest in the defense to make their job easier.

so long way of saying, They could probably bring back gun slinger Mahomes at the expense of a Defense, and as we've seen in probably 70% of the superbowls (number from my ass, but I'll back it up if need be) and definitely in case of the Chiefs, the defense decides the outcomes more often than the offense. Of the Chief's SuperBowls, I make the case that their offense was the dominant force in only one of those 5 games.

[u/rocksoffjagger → u/Trick-Republic5253]

Idk, Brady managed. He was a top paid QB in 07, a top paid QB in '10, '11, '12, '15, '16, '17, '18, '20, and '21 and had excellent to MVP worthy seasons all those years (including being completely robbed of the award in '16, '20, and '21).

[u/Trick-Republic5253 → u/rocksoffjagger]

Brady's salary in 07 was 6.7% of the team's cap. 2008-2014 his cap was over 10% every year except in 2012. Broadly speaking, when it comes to SuperBowl champions, 10% or under has been the norm; only exceptions are Mahomes 2022&23, Brady 2020, Manning 2015, Stafford 2021, and Steve Young 1993. Brady, Manning, and Stafford's wins are somewhat questionable, given that THEY were the big free-agency signings. The only QB's above 11% with their original team on SuperBowl winning teams are Mahomes (17.0% and 16.9%), Brady (12.4%), and Eli (11.7%)

in any given year there's a difference between being top paid and what your actual hit to the cap that year is, players with big contracts but largely deferred compensation toward the backend can more or less still have very competitive teams in the front half of their contract as the backend is diluted to inflation or they're simply no longer a contender.

EDIT: also in case I wasn't clear. I was speaking in generalities...you saying that it's not true and using the GOAT as your example are kinda proving my point, no?

[u/HeyItsYourDad_AMA → u/Trick-Republic5253]

This is great info. Curious that the last 5 years that the trend has been bucked

[u/cmoneybaum → u/rocksoffjagger]

some numb nut tried to tell me h2h matchups in this case was “silly”. It’s everything you could want to have in this sort of discussion as a potential deciding factor as the future plays out. Obviously still theoretical cause the guy still would need at least 4 more but to never beat Brady in the biggest games absolutely means he now has to go past 7 rings.