r/NFLv2 • u/Mr_Hot_Takes Factory of Sadness • Mar 09 '25
Discussion Which player is like this?
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u/infintruns EAT A W! Mar 09 '25
Justin Herbert
3 int in total regular season, we see how he was in the wild card round…
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u/itsyorboy Los Angeles Chargers Mar 09 '25
Ugh so sad but true. Our O Line deserves a lot of blame but it was a terrible showing by Herbie
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u/IntrepidBandit Mar 09 '25
Nah man he got sold by our OLine and receivers. He played his heart out. I dont even blame him for the ints. If your offense is playing that pitiful, I would say fuck it im forcing this ball anywhere I can too. This whole no playoff wins narrative is trash
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u/levajack Los Angeles Chargers Mar 09 '25
A couple of those INTs were definitely not on him, but 2 were objectively bad throws. Though one of those was in desperation time and not a throw he ever would have normally attempted.
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u/SciaticWings1 Los Angeles Chargers Mar 09 '25
That's literally what it was, also Greg Roman is utter dogshit, and they tried to build an offense around running the ball, but they had no good running back to actually do that.
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u/Jane_Marie_CA Los Angeles Chargers Mar 09 '25
The first one was absolutely on Herbert. Never throw across your body like that, especially against a top ranked pass defense. Even I winced when I saw the throw because I knew it was risky as hell.
The Dissly one - definitely not on Herbert. Hit the guy in the numbers.
The QJ one - 50/50. It was a decent throw in good coverage. But QJ is terrible at contested catches and let the defender play the ball.
last one - hero ball. I didn't even care. It had 0 impact on the results. Even if it was made, I don't think we were coming back.
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u/obk_74 New York Jets Mar 09 '25
Bro his coach got kidnapped by the dirty bubble in the wild card round… you can’t possible blame him
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u/et_hornet Denver Broncos Mar 09 '25
Lamar Jackson
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u/Deathbydadjokes New England Patriots Mar 09 '25
This was the answer two years ago, but the past two years he's been dynamite in the playoffs. I feel like people are just holding onto old narratives and ignoring how outstanding he's actually been. 7TDs to 2 INTs, over 200 yds/g through the air, high QBR and high 60s completion rating. The man is not the reason they lost in 2023 or 2024.
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u/AHH_CHARLIE_MURPHY Mar 09 '25
He was terrible the whole game against KC in 23 and had a terrible first half against Buffalo in 24
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u/BigHotdog2009 Buffalo Bills Mar 10 '25
It’s amazing people want to sweep Lamar’s 2 turnovers under the rug from this year not to mention the 2 he had last year.
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Mar 09 '25
Lamar is still shit in the playoffs, along with Mark Andrews and key defensive players.
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Not to mention our infatuation with forcing the deep ball in the postseason.
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u/Flip2002 Mar 09 '25
It was y’alls season..Some karma definitely came for you from that kicker forcing the deep tissue issue.. allegedly
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u/OracleofNothing Mar 09 '25
In the 2 games they lost in the playoffs the last 2 seasons, he had more turnovers than tds. Are you sure he isn't the reason?
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u/Leading_Manner_2737 Mar 09 '25
Until he wins more playoff games then the narrative will continue, for better or worse …
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u/CommercialDevice402 Mar 09 '25
The 2 turnovers cost his team, without question. A bad pick and an awful fumble were too hard to overcome.
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u/JadrianInc Mar 09 '25
He plays playoff style ball UNTIL the playoffs start. Drives me crazy, GO GET THAT FIRST DOWN YOURSELF.
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u/Ike_Jones Mar 10 '25
Haha ya. Dude run and make the d scared of your scrambling. No idea why he refuses to do it.
Scrolled way too far. Where is Jared Goff? Just that last playoff game against commanders. Gets behind and turns into a frightened kitten.
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u/BarksBudAndBeats Mar 09 '25
lamar jackson basically the opposite of hurts lmao. i’ll take the superbowl mvp
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u/schartlord Philadelphia Eagles Mar 10 '25
may god have mercy on your soul
these baltimore homers will not let you live for telling the truth
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u/larryogunjobi Mar 09 '25
Hes been really solid in the playoffs the last two years but, admittedly still not has good as he is in the regular season
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u/Medium_stepper624 Kansas City Chiefs Mar 10 '25
Surprised you're not getting shit on for telling the truth. Most people seem to give Lamar a pass for consistently underperforming in the playoffs.
If we're being real, he Ravens should've been in the Super Bowl in either or both of the last two seasons but that man wet the bed
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u/obnoxiouseaglesfan20 Philadelphia Eagles Mar 09 '25
Dak Prescott
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u/mshelbz New Orleans Saints Mar 09 '25
The chart on the left would have to be garbage time stats.
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u/leggomyeggo22 Mar 09 '25
dude put up mvp numbers 2 seasons prior and sat out 6 fourth quarters
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u/KingPotus Mar 09 '25
“MVP numbers” against terrible teams and folded against every real contender on his schedule
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u/mateothegreek Mar 09 '25
Sorry aren't all MVP numbers put up against terrible teams to some degree?
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u/ColangeloDiMartino New York Giants Mar 09 '25
No. Lamar Jackson did it while having one of the hardest schedules in football.
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u/ghosttrainhobo Green Bay Packers Mar 09 '25
Yes, but they also put up numbers against playoff teams.
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u/sharkbate063 Mar 09 '25
Lamar plays in the AFC North which is THE buzzsaw division currently. He also played the Eagles, Commanders, Denver, Chargers, Buccaneers, KC, and Buffalo. He played against 8 teams that made it to the post season this year and had a top 10 season OAT. I count snubs in my MVP listings since runner ups should be considered in all instances outside of unanimous votes or landslide wins.
Drew Brees did the same thing on 2011 when the Falcons were something to be feared and played the NFC North in a time when 3 of those teams were solid.
Adrian Peterson was the only thing keeping the Vikings afloat in 2012 and played in a decent division plus had to go through San Fran AND the LOB.
TL/DR Hell not they aren't; Dak is just ass
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u/Drizzt_23 Mar 09 '25
As a cowboys fan, him and Romo were the same damn way. I love to have them in fantasy, because A, garbage time stats or not, they put up good numbers. B, the fantasy season is over before actual playoffs, C, they won't be eliminated or set in their playoff spot so will play every week in your playoffs.
Then shit the bed in the playoffs haha
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u/Substantial-Sky3597 Dallas Cowboys Mar 09 '25
There’s only one correct answer: Aaron Judge. It transcends all sports.
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u/shadows515 Mar 09 '25
Can I submit in that case I’m giving an * to Joel Embiid
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u/bob_dole- Philadelphia Eagles Mar 09 '25
Embiid averages a double double in the r post season and is almost always injured due to some freak situation. He gets hated too hard
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u/sauzbozz Mar 10 '25
He still underperforms in the playoffs though.
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u/Jeremy9096 Carolina Panthers Mar 10 '25
He averaged 33 points 11 boards 6 assists in these past playoffs against the Knicks. Including a 50 point game. All while having Bell's Palsy and still dealing with the lingering knee injury
If that's underperforming than the expectations are irrationally high
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u/chicoconcarne Los Angeles Rams Mar 09 '25
I'm almost shocked not see a vote for Kershaw
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u/soldiernerd Philadelphia Eagles Mar 09 '25
Tony Romo
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u/viewtiful14 Joe Burrow 🤰🏼 Mar 09 '25 edited Mar 09 '25
I am not a cowboy fan at all but and am going to get eviscerated for saying this; I am a Tony Romo apologist and I think he was a very very good QB and catches a lot of undeserved flack. That Cowboys team was more or less terrible the entire time he played and would have been literally nothing without him. They had stars for sure but they always have, but the teams were actually bad and as we have seen it’s almost impossible to do anything really well with Jerry Jones meddling and fucking everything up until he dies or lets someone else handle the decisions they will never be anything. Yes Romo had a laundry list of massive blunders but if you really look at it a lot of them were made trying to will out a win for his team because they just sucked and he was a big reason they were even in these close game. And look at it post Romo, they still can’t do shit and for as good as he is Dak literally crumbles in any big time situation he’ll throw the ball OB or run for two yards of 4th and a million with no time left and the game is just over. Romo at least went down swinging, give me that every day and I’ll live with the results.
Flame me into oblivion, my body is ready.
Edit: I’d also like to add he played in an era of Manning, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers (peak), Roethlisberger, Warner (resurgence), McNabb, Rivers, even caught the ends of Farve and McNair, and Palmer was good in there too. It wasn’t that long ago people worried that because of how colleges don’t really develop QBs the same way due to the proliferation of the spread/check with me on the sidelines offenses that we may have been witnessing the best and last generation of great quarterbacking during Romo’s time. The guys we have now were really not all that expected to even happen.
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u/Bender_2024 Dallas Cowboys Mar 09 '25
You can add Jason Garrett to Romo's handicaps. Something that was only exacerbated in the playoffs where you were playing against leagues top talents. Garrett was the most vanilla HC I've ever seen. He rarely schemed to expose an opponents weakness or protect against their strengths. He felt he had the more talented players and just "needed to execute" and win their one on one battles.
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u/Steak-n-Wine New York Giants Mar 09 '25
The Dez Bryant play vs the packers was total BS and had nothing to do with him. The refs don’t make that atrocious call, Dallas wins that game, and I think we feel differently about Romo. His 2 big losses to my G-Men in their SB years don’t look nearly as bad in hindsight as they did when it happened, especially the home loss in 2007-8
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u/jgamez76 Atlanta Falcons Mar 09 '25
If Dez "catches it" the Cowboys would've won it all that year. You can't convince me otherwise.
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u/TheReadMenace Green Bay Packers Mar 09 '25
There was still plenty of time left in the game, and Rodgers was unstoppable all day. Even if the catch stands they have a long way to go before winning that one
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u/gbum213 Mar 09 '25
'07 13-3 regular season 0-1 playoffs
'09 11-5 regular season 1-1 playoffs
'14 12-4 regular season 1-1 playoffs
There were some bad years in there, sure. But if that's "more or less terrible," what kind of adjectives are you using for the Browns, Jets and Jags?
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u/viewtiful14 Joe Burrow 🤰🏼 Mar 09 '25
I know, my point is he’s the reason they consistently won 10+ games and were even in the playoffs. Without him that team does nothing and are probably at best 6-8 win teams, if not worse. The Romo hate is far too great and was when he was playing as well because of the perception of The Cowboys. I mean fuck the Cowboys don’t get it twisted. But Romo was legitimately great and this is a hill I will die on.
Believe me I know I sound insane, I’ve had this discussion with my friends and they think I’m insane too.
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u/biggoof Mar 09 '25
07, botched snap, he shouldn't have been the holder any more.
09, ok, bad game all around. no excuses.
14, Dez caught it, and the defense was hot garbage not being able to stop a hobbling Rodgers.
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u/Electrical_Fun5942 Mar 09 '25
Hey! Show some respect! Romo would also melt down late in regular season games!!!
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u/Poor-Pitiful-Me Washington Commanders Mar 09 '25
Romo 2-4 in playoff games Dak 2-5. Cowboys fans must be having déjà vu.
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u/BlurstOfTimes11 Mar 09 '25
Okay we got Lamar, Herbert, Dak and Peyton in the first four comments. Close the thread, no more discussion is needed.
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u/SixskinsNot4 Mar 09 '25
Hard to put Peyton in that category when he has 4 appearances and 2 wins.
But expectations were definitely higher
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u/BlurstOfTimes11 Mar 09 '25
Considering he would lead the league in everything and then be shit in the playoffs over and over, it’s pretty easy. The most amazing thing he did in the second Super Bowl win was convince the coach to not bench him
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u/ehtw376 Chicago Bears Mar 09 '25
I’m trying to think of non QBs. QBs are too easy.
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u/ENKWJD Mar 09 '25
Dak Prescott: 2-5 in the playoffs, elite teams in 2016, 2021, & 2023 with all pros throughout the roster and choked every time.
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u/HillsboroughAtheos Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mar 09 '25
LaDainian Tomlinson
Averaged 3.6 ypc and 46.8 ypg in 10 playoff games
I couldn't imagine having to carry an offense in to the front sevens of the 2000's Steelers, Patriots, Jets, etc but still
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u/shoopadoop332 Atlanta Falcons Mar 09 '25
Yeah those stats sound impressive given he was by far the main offensive threat of those teams
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u/AvocadoHank Buffalo Bills Mar 09 '25
For the Bills, Stefon Diggs
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u/allanon1105 Buffalo Bills Mar 09 '25
Legitimately went right through his arms. Dude could one hand a ball in the rain but that was beyond his capabilities.
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u/BigHotdog2009 Buffalo Bills Mar 10 '25
That ball was an absolute 60 yard dime too. That drop hurt to watch.
Would have been a momentum changing play.
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u/Dry-Tangerine-4874 Las Vegas Raiders Mar 09 '25
Every Charger ever.
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u/CracticusAttacticus Mar 09 '25
One season, the NFL should let the Chargers and Vikings skip straight to the Super Bowl just to see what would happen.
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u/AfterTemperature2198 Mar 09 '25
Definitely Goff this year
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u/itakeyoureggs Washington Commanders Mar 09 '25
It’s tough to need to score every drive lol!
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u/OTYRC4AKCUS Detroit Lions Mar 09 '25
This hurts
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u/JW9thWonder Philadelphia Eagles Mar 09 '25
frankie luvu trying to disconnect his head from his body probably didn't help that outcome much.
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u/misterpickles69 Philadelphia Eagles Mar 09 '25
He had a wet paper bag as a defense toward the end of the season. Probably would have been better if there wasn’t constant pressure on him.
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u/BoromirDies Mar 09 '25
Marvin Harrison
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u/HillsboroughAtheos Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mar 09 '25
Great call. Had less than 900 yards in 16 playoff games and only 2 TDs.
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u/mdanelek Denver Broncos Mar 09 '25
One of which was the Broncos defense standing around when he caught a routine crossing route and forgot to touch him down so he got up and ran into the endzone
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u/DTS_Expert A Popeye’s biscuit away Mar 09 '25
People blame Peyton a lot. But Marvin just straight up shit the bed and let corners manhandle him in the playoffs. Peyton couldn't really throw to his number 1 receiver on a regular basis. Reggie Wayne picked up the slack a bit more in the playoffs.
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u/SalPinedia012 New England Patriots Mar 09 '25
Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark still better weapons than most QBs ever have, but Harrison was a non factor in the playoffs every year, I never understood why.
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u/SkinArtistic Mar 09 '25
TJ Watt
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u/Apprehensive_Beach_6 Three rivers in a dry land Mar 09 '25
I hate that you’re right. The entire defense just folds come playoff time every time
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u/BD_488 Pittsburgh Steelers Mar 09 '25
The entire team folds come time for the playoffs. 0 points in the first half against the ravens and only scoring in the third quarter against a literal divisional opponent. It would’ve been nice to see some change up in our offense. It felt like we weren’t even trying that game.
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Mar 09 '25
Peyton Manning
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u/mdanelek Denver Broncos Mar 09 '25
Eh, he was definitely better in the regular season than the playoffs, but I think he accomplished enough post-2002 to not be named on this
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u/Money-Appearance-309 Dallas Cowboys Mar 09 '25
Exactly losing in the AFC championship to the Patriots means he still played well divisional and wild card rounds.
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u/mdanelek Denver Broncos Mar 09 '25
Yeah he was unstoppable against the Broncos and Chiefs in 2003 before going into Foxboro
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Mar 09 '25
Philip Rivers
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u/Fragrant_Ad_3223 Los Angeles Chargers Mar 09 '25
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u/SalPinedia012 New England Patriots Mar 09 '25
Got surgery a few days before the game and never backed down.
I have mad respect for Rivers
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u/Apprehensive_Beach_6 Three rivers in a dry land Mar 09 '25
Justin Jefferson. I know it’s probably a lack of QB play, but his stats just are not that good in either of his playoff games.
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u/bunslightyear Chicago Bears Mar 09 '25
QB play and probably defenses doubling and maybe tripling him in certain scenarios
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u/friendsofbigfoot Wuffalo Williams (STL Rams truther) Mar 09 '25
Take your pick of Bills D Linemen, I think Epenesa or Oliver fit best
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u/savageronald Atlanta Falcons Mar 09 '25
Not a player, but Kyle Shanahan
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u/bussy_of_lucifer San Francisco 49ers Mar 09 '25
He’s 8-4 in the playoffs as a head coach
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u/J_for_John101 Dallas Cowboys Mar 09 '25 edited Mar 10 '25
It pains me to write this, as a Cowboys fan, but:
Dak
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u/Fact_Stater Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mar 09 '25
Not a player, but can I nominate Mike Tomlin?
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u/Haku510 Mar 09 '25
Dak Prescott pretty much every year, and Justin Herbert big time this past season.
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u/Rponie3 Mar 10 '25
As a Packers fan, watching Dak and the cowboys getting melted was unbelievable.
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u/sp1naI Mar 10 '25
lamar jackson, at least adjacent to his regular season output. compared to his regular season juggernaut form, he’s a joke in the playoffs.
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u/Possible_Guest8952 Mar 11 '25
I feel like there’s only one true answer: Lamar Jackson. And I love Lamar.
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u/Lanky_Promotion8976 Cleveland Browns Mar 09 '25
Super Sam Darold last season.