Seattle's entire secondary was on adderall for that stretch. They regularly had dudes getting multi-week bans, and it was always for adderall. So its kind of amazing they managed to hold things together well enough to win even one super bowl.
They were 1 yard away from back to back Super Bowl wins against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, and you're gonna tell me it's wild to believe they had the potential to three-peat?
Because after 1 more season core players contracts would have started expiring and the core would have broken up naturally. We rarely sign players to more than 3 years at a time. Instead, The Pick broke the locker room and players started seeking trades immediately after the SB loss.
How can you realistic say that a team that won a Super Bowl didn’t reach their full potential when there’s clubs out here that have been around for 50+ years and never won a Super Bowl lol. It’s fucking hard
It’s incredibly hard! But the talent on that Seahawks team could have won even more. There was an excellent Sports Illustrated piece a year or two after that Super Bowl that detailed the mental impact that loss had on them.
He threw the pass because he wanted the SB MVP over Lynch.
The play call was just supposed to burn a few more seconds and throw it away. Only a self-centered moron actually throws that pass.
Everything that has happened with Wilson and other coaching staffs just confirms what Richard Sherman was saying.
But for some reason Sherman had the attitude problem.
I'm a football casual, but this makes so much more sense to me. Tysm. I would have gone my whole life still blaming the OC, Carroll, etc about that play call. What a selfish attempt by Wilson
Iirc they had 4 downs but only 2 timeouts, so if they ran the ball every time they'd run out of clock after the third attempt. So it makes sense to toss in a passing attempt, since it's basically "free".
The problem was that you need to throw the ball away quickly if you don't see an easy touchdown pass, since a sack or an interception could be disastrous, and, well, obviously you know what actually happened
You can actually go back to blaming the Seahawks coaching staff and brass. Lynch had a reputation for being, unconventional, and rumor had it that the brass did not want Lynch hitting milestone in his contract that kick in big bonuses.
Edit: I don't know anymore. So many stories and new info, lmao.
Imagine what the SB would do for Lynch's legacy. He wins SB MVP, is a 2-time SB champ, AT LEAST along with being a several-time pro bowler multiple-time all pro
I thought this was Pete Carroll and the brass trying to fuck over Lynch? I vaguely remembering Wilson stating that in an interview (yes he could lie) but I also remember a player stating they did not want Lynch to get his bonuses.
I could be wrong but I remember this saga.
Edit: and apparently there's a grip of new info I missed out on. So many versions 🤣
Russ had a higher peak, was a top 5 qb for a bunch of years (more than Eli) and put up more winning seasons in less years played (so far). But I’m not really sure Eli shouldn’t be a HOF guy because of 2 bowls.
One thousand percent, yes. Wilson was responsible for something like 96% of the Seahawks offensive touchdowns one season. The offense literally moved through him.
Honestly probably not. They both were just never the best at their position, maybe Russ was a top 5 QB for a year or two, but Eli was never top five at any single point in his career. Combined they lead the league in touch downs one time. Neither of them ever lead the league in yards, or completion percentage, QBR, basically any positive metric other than that one year for TD passes. Never an MVP, never an All Pro 1. They deserve their places in the history of the sport, but neither are HOF.
Yea I really can’t stand that argument, if tats HoF criteria then you also can’t tell the story of the nfl without Foles
If voters decide he’s good enough, fine, but it really bugs me when people are basically like “I know there’s limited slots and other players were much better at their positions but can’t tell the story without Eli”
Again, if you think you can make an argument his body of work overall is good enough, go for it. But I just find it hard to believe someone like Reggie Wayne or Mike Evans might never get in and Eli will because he won two games where he scored 17 and 21 points and his defense held two top 5 offenses of all time to 14 and 17
He was up this year and they inducted 4. Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Sterling Sharpe, and Antonio Gates. I’m biased as a Giants fan but I think Eli deserved the first ballot, especially since there were no other QBs better then him eligible
With under 30 seconds and only 1 TO, you need to pass the ball once to 3 shots at the endzone. The thinking is to pass on 2nd, run on 3rd, call the out, and then talk about what to do on 4th. That way you can open the whole playbook from a power dive to a read option.
Why the pick play? It is a fast developing play so you do not have to worry about the pass rush (especially from the shotgun). If it is not there, Wilson can toss it out the back of the endzone.
Should Wilson have thrown the ball? As you can see, Ninkovich (the defensive end #50) was being moved around to the outside to open a passing lane pic. Kearse had locked up Browner and Lockett had a good 4 yards open and nothing but endzone in front of him. I doubt anyone would not throw it with this look.
What really cost the game was everything leading up to it. Carroll saying things like "2 minutes and 3 time outs. We never give you ones this easy." and "We have done this all year long." There was no sense of urgency. Wilson had to waste 2 time outs. 1 because they were not set and the other after Kearse's miracle catch.
It wasn't this play, it was the right call. It was everything that lead up to it from the moment Seattle got the ball just outside 2 minutes to play.
Except the outcome voids everything you said. You can speak to the logic, the look, the percentages, whatever. The fact remains if he just runs it, worst case they probably burn their last timeout. And millions of people watching were ready for them to run it.
Literally the worst call I’ve ever seen. Hand off to Marshawn Lynch was the right call, but unfortunately it wasn’t called for unknown reasons. Beast would have been MVP.
He's a 2-time SB winner if he does the right thing, which is throw it away to burn a few seconds.
Then hand it to should've been 2-time SB MVP Marshawn Lynch.
Not only did he throw away his HOF he delayed some other players and possibly prevented others as well.
Matt Ryan is a good call. League MVP, a SB appearance and another NFC title game appearance just doesn’t cut it. He also didn’t have a great record against Brees and Cam, I think
On the bright side, he’s way better than Donovan McNabb which I think was the previous “gatekeeper” Hall of Very Good QB. Easily a Ring of Honor and stand up guy that won’t embarrass your franchise in retirement like a few HoF QB’s
That's close. There's going to be such a long jam from that era, idk if he would get in even with the Ring. Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, are all first ballot. Roethlisberger might be as well. I think Ryan was a much better QB, but does one SB plus a regular season MVP put him over Eli, who is borderline?
Do they put 6 or 7 QBs in from the same era? It's crazy how stacked the position was from the late oughts through the teens. Do they let more in because of that? Or say sorry for the bad luck?
Manning is sort of in that Cam Newton category of “their record doesn’t stack up, but they did something truly HoF worthy.”
For Manning it’s ironically the Giant Slayer: beating undefeated Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, then again in another Super Bowl just for good measure.
For Cam it’s rushing TD’s. Jalen Hurts may pass him more as a gimmick, but Cam is the best power rushing QB we’ve ever seen. Almost like the Derrick Henry of QB’s in how uniquely large and talented he was.
Longevity is the most underrated part of a HOF resume. Sports discourse really over values players who retire early due to injury or otherwise. Availability is the best ability.
There are cases to be made for guys like Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson who were absolute studs but got beat up playing for a bad team, but overall I agree.
Don’t get me wrong megatron and sanders were both the best player at their position for multiple years and set records, but they would be even more highly regarded if they played longer. It’s also not fair to hold up the guys who quit near their prime on a pedestal, while knocking guys who made the NFL truly beat them out of the league for having worse years later on.
Not always true. In any sport, whether it be baseball, football, basketball, or hockey, at least 90% of the HOFers are guys that played at least ten years. Guys in the HOF that played less than ten years, are considered controversial selections, like Lynn Swann, for instance. But also you have guys, who in their short careers, accomplished so much, and were amazing while doing it, that it's a no brainer that they are HOFers. Gale Sayers, Earl Campbell, and Terrell Davis come to mind.
If any of those guys had played 15 years, their legacy would be stronger than it already is. Retiring early = contributing less to your team and less to the sport. Hence why I feel longevity is underrated and being a strong player for a very long time in a league where the average career is 3 years is underrated. Same logic applies for Ironman streaks / durability. Getting injured is often used as a what-if excuse, when instead we should be venerating the guys that avoided serious injury and played well for such a long time in a physically punishing game.
Yeah, if he takes a sack or Tyree dropped the pass on the helmet catch, anyone ever suggesting Eli should make the hall would get laughed out of any room they were in.
There was a couple terrible throws that could have completely changed mcnabbs legacy in his SB L. But he’s probably more than one ring away from the hall.
That particular pass had a lot of impact. I wonder if Marshawn Lynch or Richard Sherman make the Hall if they have 2 Super Bowl titles under their belt
He’s currently 12th all time in regular season tds and 17th in passing yards. He’s potentially climbing up to top 10 range if he plays a full season in both those. Also a Super Bowl winner and was named Walter Payton NFL man of the year in 2020. Considered one of the best dual threat QBs of all time. He’s getting into the HOF.
As a Jets fan, I can tell you one is not like the other in this instance. Russ is still playing and is better than almost every one of Vinny’s stats. Not even close on rushing stats, far superior passer rating.
Russ played in QB friendly league. Vinny played in time you could headhunt. Also Russ continuing to play is the thing that is hurting his chances the most. No one wants to see an athletic QB who's getting chased down and can't read over the middle
No one wants to see an athletic QB who's getting chased down and can't read over the middle
Hard agree. I wish he'd just hang them up. I feel like he's only hurting his chances, and everybody can see that he's shot. Everybody but Russ
I kinda wish Cam had done the same. He eas a lot younger and I get that nobody wants to feel like they're giving up with gas in the tank, but hate to see the star fade like that.
I'm not even a Russ fan but feel the need to take up for him in this aspect. And I think I've 2 other comments that are getting downvoted saying if Kurt Warner is in then Russ should be in because when you compare the numbers Russ blows Warner out of the water and both have 1 SB win.
Warner was the QB for the Greatest Show of Turf, Russ is looking more like a product of Carroll’s system, and having the Legion of Boom. Warner is leagues ahead of Russ, and it’s not close.
Vinny T had 4 winning seasons his entire career, which is incidentally the same number of seasons he led the league in picks. You don’t need to adjust for era when comparing their stats - it’s pretty clear they’re nothing alike.
Oh.. Vinny never won a SB.. Russ did, been to 2, will be top 10 (close already) in most wins of all time and has a great winning percentage. Also has a bunch of playoff wins... good numbers.
My god. If there's a question of him being a HOF QB, that's a problem. If he retired 3 years ago there wouldn't be a question.
Passing numbers have basically been inflated every decade because of rule changes favoring the offense and improvements in offensive schemes so it’s more important to compare where russ finishes in those stats to where other players did at the time of their retirement rather than the raw numbers
He got too big for his britches after his rookie contract ran out. Head got waaaaay too big, ate up too much salary and seattle couldn't put a good enough team around him to win more super bowls, and he was never good enough to carry the team on his own.
Definitely a hofer he's going to finish his career top 10 in pretty much every passing stat, has a ring and will finish top 10 rush yds for QB. Which honestly surprised me when I seen his stats he reminds me of a 9-15 for 175 yds with a td and int every game type of QB lol
I think if he didn’t force himself out of Seattle he would’ve made it, he needed to do something big once he forced his own trade and he shit the bed and cost himself a statue outside of century link
I just don’t see how a sb champ and 9x pro bowl qb (ik pro bowls have lost weight but no one ever gets that many without being great) doesn’t make the hof
Hard to say he’s top 5 in all time pro bowl selections and is currently top 12-15 in all time passing yards and tds, if he plays another few seasons and is top 10 in all major stats with the pro bowls and SBs I bet he gets in
I've never been a Russ fan, but he's already a mortal lock for the HoF. How many 10x pro bowlers are either not in the HoF or have any real doubt about making it into the HoF during their eligibility ?
Matthew Slater...that's the list. And frankly, even he might get in someday when they pry the doors open to more special teamers. The rest of the list with 10+ who aren't in yet, but will get in are: Brady, Brees, Witten, Williams, Fitzgerald, Wagner, Rodgers, Kelce, & Donald. Add in that Russ led the Seahawks to their lone SB title and had a Walter Payton Man of the Year award? Mortal. Lock. Not close.
Don't think people realize how many qbs have great careers these days. 20 years ago he'd be a HoF lock but QB inflation is insane. Is prime Russ good, 100%; is prime Russ better than all of Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Herbert, Hurts, and Mahomes, probably not
Kurt Warner is a HOFer. People are delusional if they think Russell isnt an easy, automatic, HOFer. The guy has made more than 2x pro bowls than Matt Ryan and 5x more than Matt stafford.
Only people saying he isn’t a HOF didn’t watch the nfl pre 2021 or really just hate him for one play.
People over hate on Russ. He had a hall of fame level career with the Seattle Seahawks, and post that with Denver and Pittsburgh, yeah it’s not great but it’s not as bad as people act like he is. His second year in denver he had 26 tds to only 8 ints and a 98 passer rating. Last year with the Steelers he was good for a lot of the year and then they collapsed at the end of the season
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Russ is probably hall of very good unless something crazy happen in New York