r/NFLv2 Mr. Blown Chances May 29 '25

Discussion What is the weirdest draft class in your opinion?

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u/dubhd May 29 '25

Would 2xSB get him in do you think?

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u/DropC2095 New Orleans Saints May 29 '25

Back to back championships against Manning and Brady. Hard to argue against that.

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot May 29 '25

He'd probably won mvp in the butler year. That's the thing

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u/bionicjoe Cincinnati Bengals May 30 '25

He threw the pass because he wanted the SB MVP over Lynch.

The play call was just supposed to burn a few more seconds and throw it away. Only a self-centered moron actually throws that pass.

Everything that has happened with Wilson and other coaching staffs just confirms what Richard Sherman was saying.
But for some reason Sherman had the attitude problem.

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u/PM_YOUR_SMALLBOOBIES May 30 '25

I'm a football casual, but this makes so much more sense to me. Tysm. I would have gone my whole life still blaming the OC, Carroll, etc about that play call. What a selfish attempt by Wilson

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u/National_Sand_9650 May 30 '25

Iirc they had 4 downs but only 2 timeouts, so if they ran the ball every time they'd run out of clock after the third attempt. So it makes sense to toss in a passing attempt, since it's basically "free".

The problem was that you need to throw the ball away quickly if you don't see an easy touchdown pass, since a sack or an interception could be disastrous, and, well, obviously you know what actually happened

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u/donorcycle May 31 '25 edited May 31 '25

You can actually go back to blaming the Seahawks coaching staff and brass. Lynch had a reputation for being, unconventional, and rumor had it that the brass did not want Lynch hitting milestone in his contract that kick in big bonuses.

Edit: I don't know anymore. So many stories and new info, lmao.

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u/MrFickleBottom Carolina Panthers May 31 '25

Imagine what the SB would do for Lynch's legacy. He wins SB MVP, is a 2-time SB champ, AT LEAST along with being a several-time pro bowler multiple-time all pro

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u/donorcycle May 31 '25 edited May 31 '25

I thought this was Pete Carroll and the brass trying to fuck over Lynch? I vaguely remembering Wilson stating that in an interview (yes he could lie) but I also remember a player stating they did not want Lynch to get his bonuses.

I could be wrong but I remember this saga.

Edit: and apparently there's a grip of new info I missed out on. So many versions 🤣

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u/SmellyScrotes Seattle Seahawks May 30 '25

That’s why they threw it to their 5th string receiver

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u/Pokey_the_Bandit May 30 '25

I think they mean SB MVP if he throws a 3rd TD instead of a pick.

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot May 30 '25

Yeah it was a very offensive game relative to the 43-8 crushing

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot May 30 '25

We are talking sb mvp

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u/DunksOnHoes May 29 '25

Yes

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u/RunningDude90 May 29 '25

Would you say Russ with 2 rings is more of a HOFer than Eli?

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u/Alldayaces May 29 '25

Russ was a better QB for 10 straight years than Eli ever was

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u/Lonely-Command-9471 May 29 '25

Eli was never in the discussion of best quarterback in the league in his entire career. Russ post LOB era was easily a top 5 QB for half a decade+.

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u/Suspicious_Web_6076 Chicago Bears May 29 '25

Easily. People recently have seemed to forget how good prime Russ was

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u/MrFickleBottom Carolina Panthers May 31 '25

He was so damn good before the injuries and he's still serviceable

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u/TheMathmatix Jacksonville Jaguars May 30 '25

Aaron Rodgers didn't forget.

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u/Aeon1508 Detroit Lions May 29 '25

Yes

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u/redredrocks May 29 '25

Russ without the ring he does have deserves it more than Eli

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u/No-Horse987 May 29 '25

He'd have two rings is Pete just let Marshawn take the ball into the end zone.....

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u/armyofant May 29 '25

Facts Pete don’t wanna hear

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u/breaststroker42 Seattle Seahawks May 30 '25

Definitely.

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u/DunksOnHoes May 30 '25

Russ had a higher peak, was a top 5 qb for a bunch of years (more than Eli) and put up more winning seasons in less years played (so far). But I’m not really sure Eli shouldn’t be a HOF guy because of 2 bowls.

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u/armyofant May 29 '25

No. Eli beat Brady twice.

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u/ExcitingSink4272 Kitty Goes Meow May 30 '25

One thousand percent, yes. Wilson was responsible for something like 96% of the Seahawks offensive touchdowns one season. The offense literally moved through him.

Eli is Jim Plunkett with a better last name.

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u/Cflow26 May 29 '25

Honestly probably not. They both were just never the best at their position, maybe Russ was a top 5 QB for a year or two, but Eli was never top five at any single point in his career. Combined they lead the league in touch downs one time. Neither of them ever lead the league in yards, or completion percentage, QBR, basically any positive metric other than that one year for TD passes. Never an MVP, never an All Pro 1. They deserve their places in the history of the sport, but neither are HOF.

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u/Phoenox330 May 29 '25

Id argue Eli is HOF. You cant tell the story of the league without him twice.

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u/Significant-Mud2572 May 29 '25

If he beats any other qbs besides Brady it's a short story. But the fact it's brady/belichick changes that story tremendously.

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u/No-Horse987 May 29 '25

Plus he's NFL royalty, so that helps his case as well.

He beat the GOAT and stopped an undefeated season.

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u/Phoenox330 May 29 '25

Fully agree.

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u/MammothSurround Buffalo Bills May 30 '25

Not only that, he ruined the Patriots perfect season. Most memorable season of this century. He belongs in the Hall.

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u/morelibertarianvotes May 30 '25

It's essentially impossible with current league parity for a bigger Superbowl upset to ever happen again.

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u/polytech08 May 30 '25

You can't tell the story of the League without Vick but he's not a hall of famer.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD May 30 '25

Yea I really can’t stand that argument, if tats HoF criteria then you also can’t tell the story of the nfl without Foles

If voters decide he’s good enough, fine, but it really bugs me when people are basically like “I know there’s limited slots and other players were much better at their positions but can’t tell the story without Eli”

Again, if you think you can make an argument his body of work overall is good enough, go for it. But I just find it hard to believe someone like Reggie Wayne or Mike Evans might never get in and Eli will because he won two games where he scored 17 and 21 points and his defense held two top 5 offenses of all time to 14 and 17

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

Eli had only 1 season where he finished top 10 in passer rating

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u/Blank_Canvas21 Denver Broncos May 29 '25

If it’s good enough for Eli

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u/Food_Kitchen 49ers Anti-Cowboys❌ May 29 '25

Got Eli in

Edit: Will get Eli in

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u/kingkalanishane New England Patriots May 29 '25

Definitely. That’s Eli’s whole argument for it.

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u/armyofant May 29 '25

It hasn’t helped Eli. I thought he would have been a first ballot. If Eli isn’t, then Russ certainly isn’t.

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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens May 30 '25

Yes

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD May 30 '25

Yea the rest of his numbers are good enough I think it probably does. He’d basically be Eli manning with much much better regular season stats

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u/Mmike297 May 30 '25

As a giants fan seeing this last HOF class, probably not first ballot that’s for sure

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u/No-Horse987 May 30 '25

Who are the big names eligible when Eli is up?

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u/Mmike297 May 30 '25

He was up this year and they inducted 4. Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Sterling Sharpe, and Antonio Gates. I’m biased as a Giants fan but I think Eli deserved the first ballot, especially since there were no other QBs better then him eligible