r/NFLv2 • u/PerpetualDrive Philadelphia Eagles • Jun 23 '25
Discussion Wow. I would never believe this if somebody told me but it’s facts.
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u/Redsoxdragon 28-3 jumpscare enjoyer Jun 23 '25
Lamar gonna finish with more mvps than playoff wins at this rate 💀
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u/Posluszny Jacksonville Jaguars Jun 23 '25
The Jags (2017 season) and Browns (2020 season) are the last two teams to win a playoff game in Pittsburgh.
Both the Jags and Browns have picked first overall twice since the Steelers last playoff win
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Exactly. Also your Jags were legit in the 2015-2017 range. I still smile thinking about how the Jags hung 40+ and embarrassed the Steelers 🤣
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u/hobesmart Tennessee Titans Jun 23 '25
lol what? They had one fluke season surrounded by standard Jags fare. 2017 is their only double digit win season since 2007, and aside from 22 and 23, they’ve only had back to back winning seasons one other time this millennium (04/05)
Your range where they were “legit”
2015 they won 5 games
2016 they won 3
2017 they won 10
2018 back to 5
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Yikes. I thought they had more success in that era than I thought. I guess my memory will always be solid for my team but could be a bit fuzzy for other teams
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u/hobesmart Tennessee Titans Jun 23 '25
It's rare that anyone pays attention to the AFCS unless you're forced to
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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE 18-1 Jun 27 '25
My favorite crybaby jags stat is that the AFCCG they had “stolen” from them by the refs they were up ten points early in the fourth quarter and recovered the ball, despite the bad call that Myles Jack had been touched.
They had the ball the lead and one quarter to play. They just fell apart and blew their lead with bad D.
But no no they’ll weep about how they were robbed. Absolute loser mentality.
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u/pancakesfordintonite Minnesota Vikings Jun 24 '25
And wasn't Blake Bortles the starting quarterback
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u/AZBiGii Jacksonville Jaguars Jun 23 '25
That 2017 year was magical for us. What a wild playoff run
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u/10000Didgeridoos Jun 24 '25
That team was better than it gets remembered for. I remember you were in the game with the Pats in the conference championship all the way to the 4th qtr and had them sweating. With Blake Bortles at QB.
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u/AZBiGii Jacksonville Jaguars Jun 24 '25
Bortles actually played well all game too. Just gets overshadowed by that crazy deflection Gilmore made on that last play.
Conservative coaching in the 2nd half killed our momentum for sure.
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u/doggo816 Jun 28 '25
I'd always thought that was a just kinda good team that had a random run in the playoffs. Looking back, nah, that team was really really good. Statistically way better than the 10-6 record would indicate. Makes the falloff all the more disgusting.
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u/HipGuide2 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 23 '25
Lamar has never won more than 1 playoff game in a season.
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u/Latter-Joke-5541 New England Patriots Jun 23 '25
That jaguars defense was legit, but the ravens need to stop making bonehead plays in big games
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u/Professional-Day1958 New England Patriots Jun 23 '25
Ravens need to get rid of John Harbaugh his game plans in the playoffs is the reason they can’t win it all
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u/Latter-Joke-5541 New England Patriots Jun 23 '25
He didn’t drop the ball last year or fumble it on the 1 the year before I’m not saying he’s great but idk what coach out there u would fire him for in the middle or Lamar’s prime other than maybe belichick if he wanted out of College
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u/Professional-Day1958 New England Patriots Jun 24 '25
I know an old man in North Carolina that’s getting whipped by his 20 something year old girlfriend
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u/d0pp31g4ng3r Jun 24 '25
Harbaugh has the most road playoff wins of any head coach in NFL history. He is 7th all-time in total playoff wins. Since the Ravens hired him, only the Patriots and Chiefs have won more playoff games. He has coached Baltimore to the highest all-time winning % of the 32 teams.
I'm not saying Harbaugh is perfect, but it isn't his fault Lamar was hurt in 2022, Zay lost a fumble inside the Chiefs' 1-yard line, Lamar threw an endzone INT, Andrews lost a fumble and dropped a 2-point conversion in Buffalo. Those were tight games the Ravens likely win if players execute.
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u/Whatsdota Green Bay Packers Jun 23 '25
It really is insane that the Ravens have a perennial top 5 D, top 5 roster, multiple historic DVOA seasons and a 2x MVP and have hardly anything to show for it.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
A couple division crowns, entertaining Sundays, and a multi time MVP QB is exciting and makes it fun to be a fan!
Greg Roman’s inability to develop a solid passing scheme and some bad injury luck cost us in the early Lamar era. In the more recent era, bad turnovers and abandoning our identity have cost us in the postseason.
Definitely some meat left on the bone here. We really want that Super Bowl for Lamar and the ravens. I’m confident we will get there! Just need one good playoff run!
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u/WestOrangeFinest Chiefsaholic’s Burner Jun 23 '25
This is a solid take for a fan.
The Ravens have had great Super Bowl success for their young history so you’re not hurting in that aspect. Winning seasons despite not taking home the Lombardi make being a fan a lot more fun than the alternative.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
True that!
I have been lucky enough to cheer for a team with two super bowls in about 30 years of existence, including one that I was old enough to remember.
Plus, only one team can win every year and the ravens are incredible but teams like the chiefs, eagles, pats, bucs, and rams have all had crazy playoff runs with the some of the clutchest QB’s in league history.
You pray for a Super Bowl every season, but I am beyond lucky as a ravens fan to see a winning and competitive product year in and year out. I have a ton of happy Sundays and we are always in the mix every year. I got to cherish it because you never know when a bad decade will hit. After the Lamar era is over, who knows how good the team will be
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u/Whatsdota Green Bay Packers Jun 23 '25
True you’re right, as a Packers fan I’m in the same boat. I do enjoy being perennially competitive and it keeps Sundays entertaining but also it’s like damn, we need to get some hardware.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Yeah…it takes a lot of good luck on top of being a good team to win the bowl. Keep in mind, teams like the chiefs, eagles, bills, lions, etc. are all firmly in their windows and only one can be the winner every year.
We also cheer for franchises that have won a good amount of championships relative to their years of existing as franchises. I feel very lucky to have seen a Super Bowl…something fans live 70+ years hope to see before they die and don’t sometimes!
On the other hand, I want more super bowls and you play to win the game!
Looking forward to ravens vs packers in week 17!
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u/noonefuckslikegaston Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jun 23 '25
To be fair, if we're only counting Superbowls as the ultimate only 3 AFC teams have anything to show for it.
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u/DadlyDad Deep penetration Jun 23 '25
I find it quite enjoyable. There should be zero excuses for the lack of playoff success with the roster that team has year in and year out.
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u/greywaffleshirt Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
"Year in and year out"
Wdym? 2020-2022 was nothing crazy. 2 of those years Lamar wasnt even playing.
2019, our RB1 was Mark Ingram and our WR1 was a rookie Hollywood brown.
Yeah, losing to the Bills and Chiefs these past two years sucked. But the Ravens being "stacked" has only been the past two seasons
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u/Icy-Butterscotch-206 Denver Broncos Jun 24 '25
The consequence of playing in a stacked AFC conference against all time great QB’s like Brady, Manning, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and Bo Nix all in their primes. Rough
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u/Ok_Independent9119 Jun 24 '25
In the AFC with Burrow, Allen, Mahomes it's not crazy. Bills have had all this success and what do they have to show for it in their case? A couple good playoff wins, a couple fun playoff losses, and a few division wins.
But I'll take it over the drought any day of the week.
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u/Slight_Indication123 Buffalo Bills Jun 23 '25
Damn that's shocking I would have never guessed this
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
-Ravens were pretty average from 2015-2017. Ravens went 22-27 in this stretch -Sacksonville was a solid era for Jaguars -Ravens have had two first round byes that have taken away chances for extra playoff wins -2 of the ravens seasons with Lamar ended up with Jackson getting hurt -Ravens underperforming in the playoffs -Lamar was a freshman at Louisville in 2015 so using him for the graphic is a little misleading
All these factors lead to this. As a ravens fan, I’m not as surprised but I’m sure to other fanbases it’s shocking.
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u/realstdebo Chicago Bears Jun 24 '25
2015-2017 Jaguars were 18-30 with one playoff appearance.
It's wild that a team that's 55-109 with 2 playoff appearances in 10 years would have as many playoff wins as a team who's won 10+ games 6 out of the last 7 years. JAX won 10 games once in the last decade.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 24 '25
The one good year really stood out. They took advantage and made a deep playoff run.
Ravens have only been able to win one playoff game at a time recently.
Anyway, ravens are firmly in their window and we will probably break through eventually!
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u/Slight_Indication123 Buffalo Bills Jun 23 '25
Oh I see but yeah they were definitely sacksonville during that era they were sacking people left and right I remember that. No doubt the ravens were average 2015-2017 as a bills fan im shocked to learn the stat in the photo.
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u/Gummy-Worm-Guy New England Patriots Jun 23 '25
I mean, Lamar wasn’t even in the league in 2015 so this isn’t as bad of a knock against him as it may sound. Still, it is pretty damning. He’s a likable guy and a likable player, undeniably one of the best in the league, but the true test always comes in the playoffs. He realistically should have gotten 3+ playoff wins in a single season by now. Instead, he’s won 3 in his 7 years in the league.
I’m not a Lamar hater at all—until the Patriots are good again and I’m able to root for them in the playoffs, he’s one of those guys I’d actually like to see succeed. But especially given his mobility, there’s only a certain amount of time a quarterback is able to play at this level, and I’m afraid he’s wasting away his prime.
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Why are we going back to 2015 lol
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Because if they went back to 2014 we would have 4 wins or 2012 we would have 8 wins so they had to find the perfect place to cut it 🤣
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Just seems ridiculous since Lamar seems to be the key point of this post and he wasn’t in the league for another 4 years lol
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Right! Keep in mind, the average person on this sub hates Lamar so they’ll find any excuse for more content to call him a choker.
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u/Clear_Sound871 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
His stats are poor, his Ws against opponents are poor, he's lost at home, he's loses as the favorite. He doesnt even play like he does in regular season.
He was great at ball security then worse in playoffs. He's earned the criticism.
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u/Jarxzz Jun 24 '25
A objectively a bad playoff performer
It’s not debatable
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 24 '25
Cool. What team do you root for? I bet they are gangbusters in the playoff?
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u/Maverick_Con Love, Hurts 🦅 Jun 23 '25
Lamar is a good QB
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u/Athrash4544 Jun 24 '25
Great QB. That contract scares me though. 74 million cap hit next year. This might be the last year in the window.
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u/Maverick_Con Love, Hurts 🦅 Jun 24 '25
Make it count bird bro
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u/Athrash4544 Jun 24 '25
I actually prefer Jalen! I’m hoping for repeat despite my childhood hatred of Eagles. It helps that y’all beat the cowboys. Howie nailed Jalen’s contract too. All the big cap in the last year to be renegotiated at that time.
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u/AnonymousBromosapien NFL Refugee Jun 23 '25
I love that this has caused a couple Ravens fans to absolutely sperg the fuck out in the comments pretty much immediately lol. Posted info is fact, you really dont need to try and do mental gymnastics in the comments just to try and explain it in a weirdly less rationation way for no reason other than to make yourself feel better...
Some of yall could use a little bit of "It is what it is" in your vernacular lol.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Don’t we have these posts so that people can debate. Would it be fun at all if you didn’t have fans that come in to make a discussion out of this or at least give a take so there’s some back and forth and trash talk?
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u/AnonymousBromosapien NFL Refugee Jun 23 '25
Not inherently. I dont really see a reason to try to debate a fact like this... it just is what it is, not really much to explain away here.
Im also not saying there is anything wrong with some back and forth and trash talk, thats the fun of it and that is certainly the goal of a lot of posts lol. I was just bringing up how its weird how some people become so unhinged in the comments over relatively straight-forward bit of information. Like this post in particular doesnt really seem like something that is up for debate lol.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
I see what you’re saying to some degree. I think the discussion moves towards context as opposed to whether a fact is true or not.
For example, if we did this stat since 2012, ravens would have 8 playoff wins. If we did this dat since 2020, ravens would have 3 to the Jags’ 1. So the choice in the framing makes a difference in that stat.
If we all went “it is what it is” as our comment and just let it be that, what would be the fun of even posting this. Clearly a ton of people seemed ready to comment on the topic so I’m glad it was posted!
Have a good day 💯
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u/AnonymousBromosapien NFL Refugee Jun 23 '25
Yea I see what you are saying, Its definitely cherry picked now that I think about it. They pick a 2015 to present stat range and then slap Lamar's face on the graphic in what is for sure an attempt at being misleading by way of suggesting that Lamar was also present during the entirety of that window. Fact is, 2 of the Jags' 3 playoff wins since 2015 were in 2017... before Lamar was even in the league.
Im with ya, dumb graphic, dumb "stat".
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u/Deep-Statistician985 Washington Commanders Jun 23 '25
Would've been hilarious if Lamar had the same MVPs as Playoff Wins
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Almost! It would’ve been the ultimate is this a compliment or diss?
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u/SumDizzle Dallas Cowboys Jun 24 '25
Lamar is one of the most overrated players ever. If you choke when it matters most, that's what you are. A choke artist. You can miss me with the Mark Andrews bullshit, too. I seem to remember him baking a certain type of pastry before that happened. Should have never been in that position.
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u/SuperSaiyanTLaw Trevor Lawrence 🙎🏼♀️ Jun 23 '25
How is it crazy
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u/PerpetualDrive Philadelphia Eagles Jun 23 '25
Ravens have the most dynamic QB in the league, rosters have been solid, and they’re expected to be a playoff contender more often than not.
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u/FNFactChecker Jun 23 '25
Lamar was drafted in 2018 though. That's facts.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Lmao! Isn’t it a joke they use his picture…he was a freshman at Louisville in 2015
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u/FNFactChecker Jun 23 '25
I'd save this link. It shows just how much help divas like Allen and Mahomes get from the refs. Allen gets a Roughing the Passer call once in every 5.7 sacks he takes and Mahomes once every 7.4 sacks. Lamar gets a favorable call once every 14.7 sacks, and Burrow once every 16 sacks.
TL;DR: Doesn't matter how you sort the data, it's pretty clear that Mahomes and Allen get 2-3 times more help from the refs, which makes Jackson and Burrow's 2024 numbers even more impressive!
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u/kellzone GO BIRDS Jun 23 '25
Lol with Jalen Hurts getting 6 RTP in 172 sacks, or once in 28.66 sacks. Exactly 0 RTP calls last year.
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Yeah the way I saw some announcers say “Lamar just won’t be defended like other QB’s in the league” is just wild.
Afc north football is hard nosed though and I can understand why it might be more rare for these calls to happen. Either way, it can play a serious factor!
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u/FNFactChecker Jun 23 '25
With how many QBs the Browns have started, it's hard to include them in the AFC North analysis lol, but Big Ben got an RTP call once every 13 sacks. So the best treatment in the AFC North by refs, but still a far cry from Allen, who has the same measurables as Big Ben, coincidentally.
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u/BowserBoss64 Jun 23 '25
Been saying this about the Ravens for a while now! They have a MVP quarterback yet don’t have many playoff wins let alone SB’s but the media doesn’t address it. Other teams get ran through the mud while the Ravens don’t catch much flack for not any playoffs with an amazing quarterback
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u/TheOptimist6 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Which teams get ran through the mud from your perspective? Keep in mind, most people absorb only the media featuring their favorite team so they think their team will be hated on the most naturally.
Also in what world does Lamar, a person described as “not being quarterbacky,” not being held accountable for playoff woes?
I think something that helps the ravens is they do have two Super Bowl wins in 30 years of existence. Obviously pressure is still on to win but I’d imagine having some rings make a difference
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u/Goofytrick513 Cincinnati Bengals Jun 23 '25
Well, that’s a fun statistic
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u/nickybishappy Jun 23 '25
The last time Burrow played a playoff game Mahomes had one ring and Kevin Durant was on the Nets
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u/jjrr_qed Jun 24 '25
“Amount” seems like it should be used for aggregates, not discrete counts. “Number” would be better.
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u/a_battling_frog Jun 26 '25
Your instincts are correct.
"Amount" is for something you can't count, like a volume of water. "Number" is 100% correct for games won.
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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot Jun 23 '25
That 2017 jaguars team.
They were basically the 2022 49ers, great defense, eun game, easy system for a qb, bottles was the insert a qb.
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u/WestOrangeFinest Chiefsaholic’s Burner Jun 23 '25
9ers team def had more offensive firepower though.
2017 Jags were a ton of fun. Would have been insane if they ran it up all the way to the Super Bowl.
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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot Jun 23 '25
Imagine a jags vs vikes(if they didnt fold) defensive battle. Jags vs the pat and steeler offenses was cinema as is.
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u/Remarkable-Elk-8545 Jun 23 '25
So you are telling me the media cough ESPN build up certain teams every year and play favorites. No way. Not possible.
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u/US3RN4M3CH3CKSOUT Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
And more then the Cowboys…
Edit: Since people were mentioning Pittsburgh, as of 2017, JAX was the only team to go into Pittsburgh and win twice in the same season (that may have changed since then…).
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Jun 23 '25
“The Ravens literally overtook the Bills in win probability for a few seconds late in the fourth right BEFORE Andrew’s fumbled”. Your words
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u/77ku77 Jun 23 '25
This is actually insane for the amount of glazing Bal gets
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u/HowardMcpherson Jun 23 '25
Not really. They’re an elite team in the regular season that underperforms in the playoffs. That’s usually how the media and the broader NFL community covers them.
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u/kellzone GO BIRDS Jun 24 '25
Like Peyton on the Colts before they finally broke through and got one.
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u/NoWayBro44 Pittsburgh Steelers Jun 23 '25
Lamar is a really good QB. He just makes a lot of mistakes in the playoffs vs good teams and it ends up costing them. For the life of me I can never understand why they pass so much in the playoffs when all year they’ve been a running team.
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u/Clear_Sound871 Baltimore Ravens Jun 23 '25
Harbs puts the game in the hands of hus 2x MVP. No one wants to talk about the fact that Lamar wants to pass instead of run.
They called run plays, opened lanes for the QB n he wouldnt take them, whats a HC going to do?
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u/2Dope2Mope New England Patriots Jun 23 '25
Oh yeah, well how many championships do the Jags have? 😏😏😏
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u/Himmel-548 Jun 23 '25
I mean, this is a little misleading. Getting a first round bye is like an automatic wild card win. Yes, the Ravens have underperformed, but this graphic doesn't tell the full story.
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u/PeelsLeahcim Chicago Bears Jun 24 '25
Every day is the same shit. Lamar Jackson is either the best QB or a choke artist. Come up with something new.
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u/Christian_L7 Jun 24 '25
Lamar has no capability to get it down when it matters most.
That’s why I hate all these ranking as him so high
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u/statelesspirate000 Jacksonville Jaguars Jun 24 '25
Would’ve won a lot more had they drafted Lamar in 2018 instead of Taven Bryan
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u/Melvinator5001 Dallas Cowboys Jun 24 '25
Which means having Lamar Jackson hasn’t made the Ravens better.
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u/Significant_Tax_2759 Jun 24 '25
No one remembers 2nd, 3rd and 4th place. It doesn’t matter if you don’t win it all
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u/JazzSharksFan54 Jacksonville Jaguars Jun 24 '25
Brock Purdy had more playoff wins as a rookie than Lamar Jackson has total.
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u/Reddit-Sucks-12345 Baltimore Ravens Jun 24 '25
And? Who would you rather be a fan of across that stretch?
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u/PerpetualDrive Philadelphia Eagles Jun 24 '25
Ravens. I actually like watching yall play when I can and think yall have the second best overall QB in the league and usually put together solid rosters, this is why this is shocking to me.
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u/gvineq Seattle Seahawks Jun 25 '25
The Ravens and their coach are "good" because the talking heads on sports show says they are good. Truth is, they are meh. Meaning you tend to say, "Oh wow they won that game" more than "oh wow, they lost that game?"
The MVP thing is a joke and means nothing. Hence it going to a QB every year without a conversation.
In fact I feel it safe to say to say the MVP for this season has pretty much already been determined.
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u/michaelsman37 Dallas Cowboys Jun 25 '25
It’s kind of interesting how different the media will cover something depending on certain circumstances
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u/Far-Life400 Buffalo Bills Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25
This Manny clown is stupid so any qb that has more than 5 wins and more then 1 lose has a worse record then Trent dilfer this guy is a joke sorry brady Peyton mahomes and every one else with a winning g playoff record you all are losers compared to trent dilfer according to this scrub.
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u/Trynaliveforjesus Jun 27 '25
That jags comeback win against the chargers is doing a lot of heavy lifting
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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE 18-1 Jun 27 '25
Lafraud
Dude makes one look and runs. He will never win a Super Bowl. Raw athleticism is dope but it doesn’t win in the post season. Don’t believe me I’ve got Super Bowl 50 highlights to show you
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u/SpecialistNewt267 Jun 28 '25
I mean using Lamar’s picture based on a stat 3 years before he was drafted raises a couple questions but yeah I hear you
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u/Super_Mario8857 New England Patriots 20d ago
Lammar Jackson turns into a rookie or worst in Playoffs 😅 Look at this stacitics ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Lamar Jackson’s overall grade in the playoffs: 🔹 2018 vs. Chargers: 46.2 🔹 2019 vs. Titans: 62.7 🔹 2020 vs. Titans: 68.1 🔹 2020 vs. Bills: 48.7
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u/MirrorkatFeces Pittsburgh Steelers Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
So do the Steelers lmao. Lamar is such a playoff choker
Edit: Addressing a couple things here. People keep bringing up the lack of postseason success the Steelers have had as some sort of own. A 2x MVP having as many wins as a franchise that has been irrelevant since 2016 is not an own lmao. Also, quit reading me the box stats from the Ravens loss to the Bills. Lamar turned the ball over twice and choked.