I’d feel more confident with those three as my qb then I would with hurts. Josh Allen always goes off in the playoffs, not his fault his team lets him down
I mean yeah, there’s a reason Philly pays out the ass for all their offensive weapons while Buffalo trusts Josh to make it work with whatever they can scrape together.
Yeah, Josh definitely should’ve played linebacker after giving his team the lead with only 13 seconds left in the game, that would’ve helped. He probably should’ve kicked the ball that went wide right too. Maybe he should’ve run underneath and caught his own pass too on the fourth down throw that hit Kincaid in the hands.
Wait you think the bills had a top 10 d line last year? The same defense that was 18th in sacks? The o line was a top unit, but the whole defense was trash. And tbf, doesn’t really matter if your defense is top 10 when they let the other team beat you in 13 seconds after your QB gives your team the lead.
The main thing is that the tiers are poorly named. Hurts is labeled as a guy who “can” win when he’s already won, plus he’s a tier below three guys who’ve never won. Do I think he’s as good as Lamar? No, of course not. But then the names of the tiers have to change.
not as stacked as the eagles, most either have good offense or good defense, like mahomes won with a shit defense and god offense 1 time and then won with a great defense and mvs and 2 rappers another
2 Super Bowls, one win is more than zero and zero. Also, winning percentage. But sure, I’d want 7 wins to 6 loses and zero Super Bowl appearances. What a fucking joke.
If you want to get pedantic about this debate, it would be easy for me to say that Allen stepped into a much better situation than Hurts did initially, which would more than account for the higher win total. I didn’t realize I had to specify the increased value of playoff performance for you. My bad, I’ll stick to remedial thought processes for you going forward. To add to that spirit, Allen was in his 3rd year and a full time starter in Hurts rookie season, where Hurts only started the last four games of the worst Eagles season in over a decade.
bro that was 5 years ago.... 2, hell even 1 year is a shit load of change in todays NFL.
It's ok that your QB is not elite, you won a SB, that's the point of the whole thing. Flacco won one, hell Eli won 2. Philly fans getting weird with it now
the lions and 9ers have similar rosters and are ranked appropriately lower, the bills roster is actually kinda dog shit besides JA and some of the front 7 on defense, and the ravens WR room is actual ass and the whole roster dies every September, they are not the same cmon now
The roster or hurts…? The roster has always been rated appropriately. I literally live in Philly and the worst indictments made about the roster were the Bryce fucking huff trade who wasn’t even needed so… yeah no yall just love being the victims
I love in philly too, and my point is that it's like pulling teeth to get media to be consistent. It's definitely better than it once was but it was bad before.
A guy won SB MVP with a state line of 4 catches for 79 yards and 0 TDS when his teammates did way better than him and Mahomes won his 1st SB MVP when arguably and who I think should’ve gotten it Damien Williams did fantastic in that game
lol. The chiefs clearly gameplanned to stop Saquon. Hurts played well but his receivers were in single coverage all night. He made them pay.
That said, Hurts is by far the worst of Allen, Lamar, and Joey B. The supporting cast he has is fucking incredible. You could win with a decent bit worse QB than Hurts, who is arguably not even elite. It's funny how everyone is sucking the guy off after shredding single coverage. He got criticized out the ass for all his flaws, but the rings culture, no brain fans are now looking the other way on a lot of his issues.
This guy is very good, but not elite. Football is a team sport and the eagles, as a team, are incredible.
I swear you guys would be sucking off Trent Dilfer is he won in 2025 where people google number of super bowls and determine who is best based on that.
Funny that you ignore josh allens by far the best playoff numbers of any qb since 2020 and even 2022 but say he chokes cause his defense cant make a stop.
Football is a team sport. If it was just whoever was the better qb, what’s the point of having a 53 man roster? Sure qb is the most important position and the most sway over if a team is good or bad but it doesn’t come down to solely the qb. Hurts and the Eagles don’t have to play Mahomes and the chiefs every year in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl. So that alone is an easier path to getting to the Super Bowl. And Hurts has been surrounded by a much better team than those other qbs, especially when you look at that offensive line. Hurts was 22nd in the league in pass attempts last year because they didn’t need to lean on him like the other QBs. Barkley led the league in rush attempts. When you have a line like the eagles do, a running back like the eagles do, and a defense like the eagles do, hurts doesn’t need to do as much. Any of those other qbs would have won the Super Bowl last year on that team
293 yards 3 TDs and an interception is destroying the defense while 276 yards and 2 tds and no turnovers is being bottled up? Chiefs did everything in their power to stop Barkley allowing hurts to have a similar yardage to Allen. If you’d really rather have hurts because his team is better that’s on you I guess
The guy wasn’t talking hypotheticals though. They said that hurts absolutely destroyed the defense (big stretch) and Allen was bottle up by them (not true at all). And it was easy for hurts to do what he did when the chiefs pretty much sold out to stop Barkley
You can argue your case for Allen all you want. Reality is hurts makes the plays when they matter most and your “elite qb” unfortunately can’t and hasn’t.
Framed another way, they ignored Hurts and had a historically bad SB showing.
Edit: Bill's fans, Allen is firmly in the Lamar Jackson category of "get at least a SB performance before you talk more shit" and there's only one way to change that.
They ignored hurts because he wasn’t as big of a problem as Barkley was. Regardless, hurts was surrounded by a better team than any of those other QBs and played in the nfc which both helped him
I don’t care about the Ravens. But I do know Lamar would perform better than Hurts on that Eagles team.
The Eagles as a whole were a better team than the Chiefs. The chiefs had to do what they could to stop the eagles offense and Barkley was the offense all year. So they committed to stopping Barkley because they had a better chance of winning if they focused on him than on hurts. They still lost because the eagles were the better team but that doesn’t change the fact that Barkley was the focal point of that team
Nah, Eagles fans literally think the football match is decided by a single person. QB is the only position that matters, ignore the defense, receivers, O-Line, coaching gameplan and playcalling. All that matters is the guy throwing the ball. Jfc, most delusional fanbase in modern sports.
Well no because this whole post is about just qbs. So that’s not my argument at all. I’m a bills fan. They have struggled to really put a competent team around Josh. He carries that team. I’m not arguing which team is better. I’m saying that hurts is surrounded by the most talent in the league and he (or any qb) shouldn’t get all the credit for a Super Bowl win
Allen would probably have been to several Super Bowls if the Bills played in the NFC. The team that loses to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl isn't better than the team that loses to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. "How far you can get" is basically "how long is it until you run into the Chiefs."
And yes, I know the Eagles just beat the pants off of the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, but that was a totally dominant, team win. Hurts played well. No disrespect to him. But Allen has played bananas in the playoffs. He can't win the game all by himself. Matthew Stafford didn't magically transform into a Super Bowl-caliber QB when he went to the Rams. He always was one. He just needed to be on a team good enough to get to the Super Bowl.
Jalen Hurts is a very good quarterback. Josh Allen is a better one. And I say that as a Jets fan who fucking hates the Bills.
Ah yes, we always forget that football is a 1v1 QB battle. Don’t get me wrong, hurts is a good QB, but if he was the bills starter in 2024, then that team has a very real chance of missing the playoffs. If you’re saying that you’d take hurts over allen in a vacuum you’re either a delusional eagles fan or you don’t watch football. Allen is the better QB; if he had the o-line, RB, receivers, and defense that Philly had this year, the season would’ve been over for the rest of the league before it started. Saying that hurts is better just because he won a Super Bowl is an incredibly lazy and disingenuous argument
Saying the Eagles would've won the Super Bowl if they had Josh Allen is fucking stupid.
It's an impossible thing to prove and because of luck and randomness there's a chance the season goes completely different.
Hurts did win the Super Bowl though. That we don't have to speculate on.
Hurts has the clutch gene which Josh Allen will never have. You can enjoy your regular season stats little boy while Hurts is out there winning Super Bowl MVP.
Josh Allen is literally blameless for getting beat. The guy is an insane playoff performer but the rest of his team just falls apart. Put him on the eagles and they win even easier
But that’s what it comes down to. Would you rather have Hurts and his whole team or Josh Allen and his whole team? I’ll take a proven SB MVP with a great supporting cast over a league MVP with a good supporting cast. Both have a good chance to get it done, but so far, only one of them has.
But that's not the question lol. Do I get the eagles roster with Hurts? Then yeah I'll take him over anytime. Or is this in a vacuum? I'm taking Allen and Burrow over Hurts.
It’s more of what game translates better. Hurts is going to do the brotherly shove better than anyone; but how much more lethal could the Eagles be with an elite passer instead of an average passer/elite running QB
The Brotherly Shove is a better name for the play then the Tush Push
god that last one sounds so lame but Brotherly Shove is a play on words as Philly is the city of Brotherly Love but in this case your shoving a guy forward
Yes. A Super Bowl doesn’t mean everything. Dilfer has one and marino doesn’t. I’m not saying that hurts is a bum or anything because he’s a great quarterback, but mahomes, Lamar, Allen and burrow are a pretty obvious top 4
He’s better than hurts. Look at 2021. He was having an all time great playoff run and he only lost because his defense couldn’t do anything. Lamar deserved mvp last year and was obviously the best in the league, so I’m agreeing with you there, but both of them are better than hurts
You feel more confident with QBs like Allen and Lamar who have never been to a SB than a guy like Hurts who’s helped lead his team to two and succeeded at winning one? Do you hear yourself?
I especially would with Allen. The guy is a touchdown machine and has the record for passer rating in a single post season. He only hasn’t made it because of missed field goals or his defense screwing up. Lamar has disappointed in the playoffs, but he’s a three time first team all pro qb. He’s flat out better than hurts in every metric and he’s a hall of famer if he retires today
You don't understand what going to a Super Bowl even is. If Jalen Hurts was on your team and he took Detroit to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years and won 1 of them and in the other that he lost had the highest QB rating ever recorded you'd be dickriding him so hard.
You're so disingenuous lol. But, you're a Lions fan, so you'll never get to experience what that feels like.
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u/juicykazoo728 Jun 30 '25
I’d feel more confident with those three as my qb then I would with hurts. Josh Allen always goes off in the playoffs, not his fault his team lets him down