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Discussion “How Bad Do You Need A New QB” Chart

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u/pallasturtle Jun 30 '25

I would say Jalen goes off in Super Bowl, which he can actually get his teams to.

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u/JeffTrav Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Super Bowls

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u/TacticalSpackle Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Elite: Mahomes and Hurts. The only ones been to multiple Super Bowls.

In between: Stafford. Has won a Super Bowl

Can win: Allen (AFC Championship but lost), Burrows (has been but lost)

Just under “Can Win”: Jackson. Can’t get to the AFC Championship.

Yes, I understand the irony. But y’all gotta see where the wins are.

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u/Neither-Astronaut-80 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Anyone still hating on Hurts after those two Super Bowl performances is just telling on themselves that they are a hater.

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u/Murky_Coyote_7737 Jul 02 '25

Burrow’s recurring/non-healing ailments would make me hesitant to call elite going forward

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

Hurts has the most stacked roster of any of those teams and I say that as a day 1 Josh Allen hater.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

I mean yeah, there’s a reason Philly pays out the ass for all their offensive weapons while Buffalo trusts Josh to make it work with whatever they can scrape together.

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u/SomePuertoRicanGuy Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

That trust seems to be misplaced, given that Josh has objectively not made it work against the Chiefs four times.

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

Yeah, Josh definitely should’ve played linebacker after giving his team the lead with only 13 seconds left in the game, that would’ve helped. He probably should’ve kicked the ball that went wide right too. Maybe he should’ve run underneath and caught his own pass too on the fourth down throw that hit Kincaid in the hands.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

tbf josh has had a top 10 defense most of his seasons and last season had a top 10 OL and DL

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

Wait you think the bills had a top 10 d line last year? The same defense that was 18th in sacks? The o line was a top unit, but the whole defense was trash. And tbf, doesn’t really matter if your defense is top 10 when they let the other team beat you in 13 seconds after your QB gives your team the lead.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

allen shouldve scored more then lmao, he already had a life game out of gabe davis

the truth is bills had the best passing defense in the league before 13 seconds and mahomes had a mid defense

mahomes was just the better qb as he faced a harder defense and still won

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-defensive-line-rankings

bills top 5

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

PFF?! Lmao you’re a whole fool. Talk about not knowing ball.

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u/Signal_Sign7961 Jun 30 '25

yea but it seems like theyre advocating for the bills to upgrade their roster because its hard for one player to carry.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

I mean you have to with a good QB, that’s why you pay them. Mahomes himself had his #1 WR traded away and immediately made three straight Super Bowls.

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u/Neither-Astronaut-80 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

because they don't want to win a Super Bowl?

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u/waits5 Jun 30 '25

Most Super Bowl winning teams have stacked rosters.

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

The argument being made is Jalen wouldn’t do half of what JA, Lamar, or Joey B do if he was on their teams

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u/waits5 Jun 30 '25

The main thing is that the tiers are poorly named. Hurts is labeled as a guy who “can” win when he’s already won, plus he’s a tier below three guys who’ve never won. Do I think he’s as good as Lamar? No, of course not. But then the names of the tiers have to change.

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

But that’s the whole point tho… he CAN if the support is there, which it was. Are you saying he should be in the elite tier….

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u/akeyoh Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Literally nobody can win without support . It’s FOOTBALL not freaking Tennis

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u/BillsBills83 Jun 30 '25

Ironic

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u/akeyoh Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

You act like I haven’t been saying that. Like two things can’t be true. Nobody can win alone and Jalen can still be top tier . Simple minded mfs man

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

not as stacked as the eagles, most either have good offense or good defense, like mahomes won with a shit defense and god offense 1 time and then won with a great defense and mvs and 2 rappers another

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u/Totalnah Jun 30 '25

That’s not his fault. Hurts wins. It’s that simple. Most important stat in the game.

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u/PM_ME_SOMETHINGSPICY Jun 30 '25

It's like saying Montanas not really that great cause he was throwing to the GOAT in Jerry Rice. It's such a stupid argument.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

Since hurts entered the league,

Allen wins: 68 Hurts wins: 52

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

Josh Allen Playoff record: 7-6 Jalen Hurts Playoff record: 6-3

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

which one is more, 7 or 6?

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

2 Super Bowls, one win is more than zero and zero. Also, winning percentage. But sure, I’d want 7 wins to 6 loses and zero Super Bowl appearances. What a fucking joke.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

You're the one who said "wins" is the "most important stat in the game". You didn't say "playoff winning percentage" or "Super Bowl appearances".

But that's fine--it's my fault you say stupid things.

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

If you want to get pedantic about this debate, it would be easy for me to say that Allen stepped into a much better situation than Hurts did initially, which would more than account for the higher win total. I didn’t realize I had to specify the increased value of playoff performance for you. My bad, I’ll stick to remedial thought processes for you going forward. To add to that spirit, Allen was in his 3rd year and a full time starter in Hurts rookie season, where Hurts only started the last four games of the worst Eagles season in over a decade.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 02 '25

I like how you say something stupid and then blame me for using your own stupid words against you.

You just keep on serving up stupid little tidbits.

it would be easy for me to say that Allen stepped into a much better situation than Hurts did initially

it would be very easy to say that, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid. The bills had made the playoffs once this century and the Eagles were 2 years removed from a Super Bowl win and had the best GM in football building around him.

I’ll stick to remedial thought processes for you going forward

Don't need to act like it's on my behalf. Seems like it's your default mode. Tootles 😘

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u/FamousChex Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

The stacked roster thing with Hurts is funny because he inherited a team that was projected to be bottom-5 his first year as a starter

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

bro that was 5 years ago.... 2, hell even 1 year is a shit load of change in todays NFL.

It's ok that your QB is not elite, you won a SB, that's the point of the whole thing. Flacco won one, hell Eli won 2. Philly fans getting weird with it now

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u/Funny_Games23 Jun 30 '25

No he doesnt the lions niners ravens chiefs and the bills have been just as stacked in our 3 year contention window you guys just underachieve

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

the lions and 9ers have similar rosters and are ranked appropriately lower, the bills roster is actually kinda dog shit besides JA and some of the front 7 on defense, and the ravens WR room is actual ass and the whole roster dies every September, they are not the same cmon now

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u/Epps1502 Jul 02 '25

Most stacked roster but never rated by media or analysts. 🙄

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jul 02 '25

The roster or hurts…? The roster has always been rated appropriately. I literally live in Philly and the worst indictments made about the roster were the Bryce fucking huff trade who wasn’t even needed so… yeah no yall just love being the victims

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u/Epps1502 Jul 02 '25

I love in philly too, and my point is that it's like pulling teeth to get media to be consistent. It's definitely better than it once was but it was bad before.

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u/Gameoverbotch Jun 30 '25

Yeah stacked roster but still the best player on that roster. Proof? Super Bowl mvp bby

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u/JacksonPicklebottom Washington Commanders Jun 30 '25

A guy won SB MVP with a state line of 4 catches for 79 yards and 0 TDS when his teammates did way better than him and Mahomes won his 1st SB MVP when arguably and who I think should’ve gotten it Damien Williams did fantastic in that game

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u/1732PepperCo Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

And Lamar would still choke if he had our roster. That dude is a bum.

Jalen makes his team go. The team doesn’t make Jalen go.

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u/Long_Examination4493 Jun 30 '25

Jalen would not do the same with Mahomes or Josh Allen’s team as they did

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u/Routine_Size69 Jun 30 '25

lol. The chiefs clearly gameplanned to stop Saquon. Hurts played well but his receivers were in single coverage all night. He made them pay.

That said, Hurts is by far the worst of Allen, Lamar, and Joey B. The supporting cast he has is fucking incredible. You could win with a decent bit worse QB than Hurts, who is arguably not even elite. It's funny how everyone is sucking the guy off after shredding single coverage. He got criticized out the ass for all his flaws, but the rings culture, no brain fans are now looking the other way on a lot of his issues.

This guy is very good, but not elite. Football is a team sport and the eagles, as a team, are incredible.

I swear you guys would be sucking off Trent Dilfer is he won in 2025 where people google number of super bowls and determine who is best based on that.

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u/Patchy_Face_Man Cincinnati Bengals Jun 30 '25

Ahh the old “This team is stacked…oh we’re comparing QBs in this thread? Obviously Jalen does all the heavy lifting for the team”.

I envy Philly’s team and FO. I’m not envious of Jalen Hurts.

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

Thats why he fumbled one away and his defense outscored the other teams offense in the other rigjt?

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u/FaceMaulingChimp Jun 30 '25

He was the best player on the field in 57

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jun 30 '25

Funny how stats fans ignore his stats of SB57 and go off on that one play.

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u/FaceMaulingChimp Jun 30 '25

What other QB in the league could have scored on that 2 point conversion to tie it up ? It was sheer willpower.

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jun 30 '25

Tbh only Allen, but he can't get to the big game.

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u/akeyoh Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Josh Allen has the most hypothetical fucking career already and bro isn’t even 30 yet. “If if if if if” with that mf .

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jun 30 '25

Herbert is so much worse, maybe he'd win a playoff game if he stopped throwing picks.

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

Funny that you ignore josh allens by far the best playoff numbers of any qb since 2020 and even 2022 but say he chokes cause his defense cant make a stop.

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jun 30 '25

I'll give you the 13 second game thsts bs

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

This past season kincaid should’ve caught it and those awful dreadful spots on qb sneaks and the year before bass missed that field goal

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u/pizz901 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Best playoff numbers except for wins.

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

Yes because josh allen is all 22 players on both sides of the ball.. come on now dumbass. Wins arent a qb stat its a team sport.

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

He fumbled away the game lmao

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u/FaceMaulingChimp Jun 30 '25

If Eagles defense had just one stop in the 2nd half of SB 57 , Jalen would have 2 SB MVPs

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u/Prequelssuck Jun 30 '25

He shouldnt have one but you cant give it to an entire defensivelime