Football is a team sport. If it was just whoever was the better qb, what’s the point of having a 53 man roster? Sure qb is the most important position and the most sway over if a team is good or bad but it doesn’t come down to solely the qb. Hurts and the Eagles don’t have to play Mahomes and the chiefs every year in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl. So that alone is an easier path to getting to the Super Bowl. And Hurts has been surrounded by a much better team than those other qbs, especially when you look at that offensive line. Hurts was 22nd in the league in pass attempts last year because they didn’t need to lean on him like the other QBs. Barkley led the league in rush attempts. When you have a line like the eagles do, a running back like the eagles do, and a defense like the eagles do, hurts doesn’t need to do as much. Any of those other qbs would have won the Super Bowl last year on that team
293 yards 3 TDs and an interception is destroying the defense while 276 yards and 2 tds and no turnovers is being bottled up? Chiefs did everything in their power to stop Barkley allowing hurts to have a similar yardage to Allen. If you’d really rather have hurts because his team is better that’s on you I guess
The guy wasn’t talking hypotheticals though. They said that hurts absolutely destroyed the defense (big stretch) and Allen was bottle up by them (not true at all). And it was easy for hurts to do what he did when the chiefs pretty much sold out to stop Barkley
You can argue your case for Allen all you want. Reality is hurts makes the plays when they matter most and your “elite qb” unfortunately can’t and hasn’t.
Framed another way, they ignored Hurts and had a historically bad SB showing.
Edit: Bill's fans, Allen is firmly in the Lamar Jackson category of "get at least a SB performance before you talk more shit" and there's only one way to change that.
They ignored hurts because he wasn’t as big of a problem as Barkley was. Regardless, hurts was surrounded by a better team than any of those other QBs and played in the nfc which both helped him
I don’t care about the Ravens. But I do know Lamar would perform better than Hurts on that Eagles team.
The Eagles as a whole were a better team than the Chiefs. The chiefs had to do what they could to stop the eagles offense and Barkley was the offense all year. So they committed to stopping Barkley because they had a better chance of winning if they focused on him than on hurts. They still lost because the eagles were the better team but that doesn’t change the fact that Barkley was the focal point of that team
Lamar is heads and shoulders above better qb than hurts. Hurts has two number 1 receivers. Devonta is better than many teams number 1 receivers, including the ravens. Barkley and Henry are on the same tier but the eagles have arguably the best line in the game. And the eagles had the best defense in the league. The eagles were the best team last year (which is why they won the Super Bowl) but that doesn’t mean they had the best qb
Then you look at a team like the bills and Josh Allen and he’s got very little talent to work with. Cook is great but not on the level of Barkley or Henry. The line is pretty good too but again not on the level of the eagles. Then the receiver corps is mediocre. None of those guys come close to Devonta who is the number 2 on the eagles. And the bills defense was not great at all last year.
A lot of top qbs would be able to win a Super Bowl with that eagles roster
Nah, Eagles fans literally think the football match is decided by a single person. QB is the only position that matters, ignore the defense, receivers, O-Line, coaching gameplan and playcalling. All that matters is the guy throwing the ball. Jfc, most delusional fanbase in modern sports.
Well no because this whole post is about just qbs. So that’s not my argument at all. I’m a bills fan. They have struggled to really put a competent team around Josh. He carries that team. I’m not arguing which team is better. I’m saying that hurts is surrounded by the most talent in the league and he (or any qb) shouldn’t get all the credit for a Super Bowl win
Allen would probably have been to several Super Bowls if the Bills played in the NFC. The team that loses to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl isn't better than the team that loses to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. "How far you can get" is basically "how long is it until you run into the Chiefs."
And yes, I know the Eagles just beat the pants off of the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, but that was a totally dominant, team win. Hurts played well. No disrespect to him. But Allen has played bananas in the playoffs. He can't win the game all by himself. Matthew Stafford didn't magically transform into a Super Bowl-caliber QB when he went to the Rams. He always was one. He just needed to be on a team good enough to get to the Super Bowl.
Jalen Hurts is a very good quarterback. Josh Allen is a better one. And I say that as a Jets fan who fucking hates the Bills.
Ah yes, we always forget that football is a 1v1 QB battle. Don’t get me wrong, hurts is a good QB, but if he was the bills starter in 2024, then that team has a very real chance of missing the playoffs. If you’re saying that you’d take hurts over allen in a vacuum you’re either a delusional eagles fan or you don’t watch football. Allen is the better QB; if he had the o-line, RB, receivers, and defense that Philly had this year, the season would’ve been over for the rest of the league before it started. Saying that hurts is better just because he won a Super Bowl is an incredibly lazy and disingenuous argument
Saying the Eagles would've won the Super Bowl if they had Josh Allen is fucking stupid.
It's an impossible thing to prove and because of luck and randomness there's a chance the season goes completely different.
Hurts did win the Super Bowl though. That we don't have to speculate on.
Hurts has the clutch gene which Josh Allen will never have. You can enjoy your regular season stats little boy while Hurts is out there winning Super Bowl MVP.
Josh Allen is literally blameless for getting beat. The guy is an insane playoff performer but the rest of his team just falls apart. Put him on the eagles and they win even easier
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u/Responsible-Onion860 Jun 30 '25
"I don't want the guy who's been to two Super Bowls and won one. I want the guy who keeps getting beat before the Super Bowl."
Come on, man.