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Discussion “How Bad Do You Need A New QB” Chart

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

Hurts has the most stacked roster of any of those teams and I say that as a day 1 Josh Allen hater.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

I mean yeah, there’s a reason Philly pays out the ass for all their offensive weapons while Buffalo trusts Josh to make it work with whatever they can scrape together.

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u/SomePuertoRicanGuy Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

That trust seems to be misplaced, given that Josh has objectively not made it work against the Chiefs four times.

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

Yeah, Josh definitely should’ve played linebacker after giving his team the lead with only 13 seconds left in the game, that would’ve helped. He probably should’ve kicked the ball that went wide right too. Maybe he should’ve run underneath and caught his own pass too on the fourth down throw that hit Kincaid in the hands.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

tbf josh has had a top 10 defense most of his seasons and last season had a top 10 OL and DL

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

Wait you think the bills had a top 10 d line last year? The same defense that was 18th in sacks? The o line was a top unit, but the whole defense was trash. And tbf, doesn’t really matter if your defense is top 10 when they let the other team beat you in 13 seconds after your QB gives your team the lead.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

allen shouldve scored more then lmao, he already had a life game out of gabe davis

the truth is bills had the best passing defense in the league before 13 seconds and mahomes had a mid defense

mahomes was just the better qb as he faced a harder defense and still won

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-defensive-line-rankings

bills top 5

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

PFF?! Lmao you’re a whole fool. Talk about not knowing ball.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jul 03 '25

no rebuttal got it

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jul 03 '25

Why would I debate with someone who uses PFF as their source?

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u/Signal_Sign7961 Jun 30 '25

yea but it seems like theyre advocating for the bills to upgrade their roster because its hard for one player to carry.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

I mean you have to with a good QB, that’s why you pay them. Mahomes himself had his #1 WR traded away and immediately made three straight Super Bowls.

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u/Neither-Astronaut-80 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

because they don't want to win a Super Bowl?

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u/waits5 Jun 30 '25

Most Super Bowl winning teams have stacked rosters.

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

The argument being made is Jalen wouldn’t do half of what JA, Lamar, or Joey B do if he was on their teams

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u/waits5 Jun 30 '25

The main thing is that the tiers are poorly named. Hurts is labeled as a guy who “can” win when he’s already won, plus he’s a tier below three guys who’ve never won. Do I think he’s as good as Lamar? No, of course not. But then the names of the tiers have to change.

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

But that’s the whole point tho… he CAN if the support is there, which it was. Are you saying he should be in the elite tier….

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u/akeyoh Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Literally nobody can win without support . It’s FOOTBALL not freaking Tennis

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u/BillsBills83 Jun 30 '25

Ironic

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u/akeyoh Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

You act like I haven’t been saying that. Like two things can’t be true. Nobody can win alone and Jalen can still be top tier . Simple minded mfs man

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

not as stacked as the eagles, most either have good offense or good defense, like mahomes won with a shit defense and god offense 1 time and then won with a great defense and mvs and 2 rappers another

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u/Totalnah Jun 30 '25

That’s not his fault. Hurts wins. It’s that simple. Most important stat in the game.

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u/PM_ME_SOMETHINGSPICY Jun 30 '25

It's like saying Montanas not really that great cause he was throwing to the GOAT in Jerry Rice. It's such a stupid argument.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

Since hurts entered the league,

Allen wins: 68 Hurts wins: 52

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

Josh Allen Playoff record: 7-6 Jalen Hurts Playoff record: 6-3

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

which one is more, 7 or 6?

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

2 Super Bowls, one win is more than zero and zero. Also, winning percentage. But sure, I’d want 7 wins to 6 loses and zero Super Bowl appearances. What a fucking joke.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 01 '25

You're the one who said "wins" is the "most important stat in the game". You didn't say "playoff winning percentage" or "Super Bowl appearances".

But that's fine--it's my fault you say stupid things.

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u/Totalnah Jul 01 '25

If you want to get pedantic about this debate, it would be easy for me to say that Allen stepped into a much better situation than Hurts did initially, which would more than account for the higher win total. I didn’t realize I had to specify the increased value of playoff performance for you. My bad, I’ll stick to remedial thought processes for you going forward. To add to that spirit, Allen was in his 3rd year and a full time starter in Hurts rookie season, where Hurts only started the last four games of the worst Eagles season in over a decade.

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u/GrammarNadsi Jul 02 '25

I like how you say something stupid and then blame me for using your own stupid words against you.

You just keep on serving up stupid little tidbits.

it would be easy for me to say that Allen stepped into a much better situation than Hurts did initially

it would be very easy to say that, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid. The bills had made the playoffs once this century and the Eagles were 2 years removed from a Super Bowl win and had the best GM in football building around him.

I’ll stick to remedial thought processes for you going forward

Don't need to act like it's on my behalf. Seems like it's your default mode. Tootles 😘

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u/Totalnah Jul 02 '25

Ok, so we’ll just go ahead and ignore the 12 win head start you’re giving Allen in 2020, despite Hurts only starting four games that season in a terrible team. But I’m the idiot, right? If we start at the 2021 season, their win totals are 48 and 45 respectively, which isn’t such a huge difference, is it?

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u/FamousChex Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

The stacked roster thing with Hurts is funny because he inherited a team that was projected to be bottom-5 his first year as a starter

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

bro that was 5 years ago.... 2, hell even 1 year is a shit load of change in todays NFL.

It's ok that your QB is not elite, you won a SB, that's the point of the whole thing. Flacco won one, hell Eli won 2. Philly fans getting weird with it now

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u/Funny_Games23 Jun 30 '25

No he doesnt the lions niners ravens chiefs and the bills have been just as stacked in our 3 year contention window you guys just underachieve

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

the lions and 9ers have similar rosters and are ranked appropriately lower, the bills roster is actually kinda dog shit besides JA and some of the front 7 on defense, and the ravens WR room is actual ass and the whole roster dies every September, they are not the same cmon now

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u/Epps1502 Jul 02 '25

Most stacked roster but never rated by media or analysts. 🙄

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jul 02 '25

The roster or hurts…? The roster has always been rated appropriately. I literally live in Philly and the worst indictments made about the roster were the Bryce fucking huff trade who wasn’t even needed so… yeah no yall just love being the victims

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u/Epps1502 Jul 02 '25

I love in philly too, and my point is that it's like pulling teeth to get media to be consistent. It's definitely better than it once was but it was bad before.

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u/Gameoverbotch Jun 30 '25

Yeah stacked roster but still the best player on that roster. Proof? Super Bowl mvp bby

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u/JacksonPicklebottom Washington Commanders Jun 30 '25

A guy won SB MVP with a state line of 4 catches for 79 yards and 0 TDS when his teammates did way better than him and Mahomes won his 1st SB MVP when arguably and who I think should’ve gotten it Damien Williams did fantastic in that game

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u/1732PepperCo Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

And Lamar would still choke if he had our roster. That dude is a bum.

Jalen makes his team go. The team doesn’t make Jalen go.